NWO is responsible for concert pitch A-440hz

The 432 music from Bobby Lavigne has moved me like nothing before. Kudos to him and the OP.

Originally posted by Malichai
The 432 music from Bobby Lavigne has moved me like nothing before. Kudos to him and the OP.

Bobby's a fantastic musician and has done a lot to promote the use of philosophical pitch in music. Perhaps though his great music A 432 can gain even more visibility.




[edit on 15-11-2008 by nscopheacriaaclters]

432 / 3 = 144

* Revelation 14:3-5 (ESV)

“ And they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. For it is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.

Originally posted by Malichai
432 / 3 = 144

That 432 is 3 gross is what originally drew me to it. It's lovely in base-twelve...

23' | 27.
46' | 54.
90' | 108.
160' | 216.
300' | 432.
600' | 864.
1000' | 1728.
2000' | 3456.






[edit on 15-11-2008 by nscopheacriaaclters]

Originally posted by nscopheacriaaclters

Originally posted by Malichai
432 / 3 = 144

That 432 is 3 gross is what originally drew me to it. It's lovely in base-twelve...

23' | 27.
46' | 54.
90' | 108.
160' | 216.
300' | 432.
600' | 864.
1000' | 1728.
2000' | 3456.

[edit on 15-11-2008 by nscopheacriaaclters]

108 =0,75x12 x 12 = radius of moon x 10 (miles)
216 =1,5 x 12 x 12 = diameter of moon x 10 (miles)
432 = 3 x 12 x 12 = radius of sun x 1000 (miles)
864 = 6 x 12 x 12 = diameter of sun x 1000 (miles)
1728 = 12 x 12 x 12 = 12 x 144 dimension New Jerusalem.
In this new dimension there is 12 times fruit a year. (Revelation 22:2).
3456 x 1000 = 2 x 12 x 12 x 12 = size of permiter around the sun x 1000

Therefore I believe the second is the right time unit.
12 hours x 60 minutes x 60 seconds = 432 x 100

All numbers are both a mathematical and universal constant.
2^i*3^j with i, j >= 0.



[edit on 16-11-2008 by hawk123]

Over the range of an octave, say either 256 to 512, or 432 to 864, what complete set frequencies should be included, so as to include all twelve pitch classes (with possible variants of a single class to accommodate various intervals)?


From what I can see, we can agree on...

C 256

C#\Db ???\???

D 288

D#\Eb ???\???

E 324

F ???

F#\Gb 364.5\???

G 384

G#\Ab ???\???

A 432

A#\Bb ???\???

B 486

C 512


How do we fill in the ???'s (and there can be more, too)? Do we use an extended Pythagorean spiral, like something that'd allow us to have a C# of 540.518, or 432[(3:2)^45]:2^26, or an alternate E of 320.31 for that matter?

[edit on 18-11-2008 by nscopheacriaaclters]

reply to post by YouAreDreaming


are you able to make your own presets and upload them for others to download?? i'd like to mess around with BWgen some more, but i really don't know what to do other than guessing and testing...

i tried the 432 setting for 10 minutes, and am still wondering what's supposed to be happening...

sure, there're tones and notes playing, but so what?? why should i bother with this program?! what am i supposed to be feeling? ...or doing? ...or hearing?

who's to say that my logitech speakers don't broadcast and convert any audio i play to 440Hz automatically, no matter what settings i set on my pc?

i'm not unintelligent - this is just still new to me and it's, unfortunately, way over my head...

...i've been listening to the 162 setting for 10 minutes now, and am wondering why the hell i downloaded this program at all...

EDIT: GOD i HATE math!!! somehow i'm still good at it though, but i'd rather drive an icepick through my eyes than calculate some redundant, boring formula...

there's gotta be a way to make all this more interesting...

[edit on 18-11-2008 by adrenochrome]

reply to post by nscopheacriaaclters


Just follow the Timaeus Locris Scale for the main frequencies derived from PLATO:
hharlestonjr.com...

Figure 7 on page 14:
RATIOS: FREQUENCIES:
9/8 384 Mi = Earth = 8 x 8 x 6
9/8 432 Re
9/8 486 Ut
256/243 512 Si
9/8 576 La
9/8 648 Sol
9/8 729 Fa
256/243 768 Mi
9/8 864 Re
9/8 972 Ut
256/243 1024 Si
9/8 1152 La
9/8 1296 Sol
9/8 1458 Fa
256/243 1536 Mi
9/8 1728 Re
9/8 1944 Ut
256/243 2048 Si
+139(apotome) 2187 Si_apotome
256/243 2304 La
9/8 2592 Sol
9/8 2916 Fa
256/243 3072 Mi
9/8 3456 Re
9/8 3888 Ut
9/8 4374 Si
256/243 4608 La
9/8 5184 Sol
9/8 5832 Fa
256/243 6144 Mi
+417(apotome) 6561 Mi_apotome
256/243 6912 Re
9/8 7776 Ut
9/8 8748 Si
256/243 9216 La
9/8 10368 Sol = 384 x 27 = Heaven
==================
Sum = 114695

Locrian started with number 384.
Plato started with number 192.
The Heaven frequency: 10368 = 192 x 54 = 96 x 108 = 48 x 216
www.spirasolaris.ca...

Unfortunately, I do not know how to calculate the Sharp # frequencies.



[edit on 19-11-2008 by hawk123]

Using above music, Pythagoras (432 music) was able to calculate PI.
3 x 10368 (heaven frequency) = 31104 / 144 (gross) = 216 = 432 /2

864000 = (diameter of the sun in miles)
311040000 = 3 x 10368 (heaven frequency) x 100000
31104000000 = 311040000 x 100 (the tetractys x 10)
=============
31415904000 = PI (almost)

www.harmonictheory.com...


[edit on 19-11-2008 by hawk123]

Thanks for the list! We need to come of up a set of pitches (with the period of an octave) for practical use.

Not to belabor this one, but are you sure 540 isn't a good C#? On one of these charts...

www.harmonictheory.com...

...we have an F# of 360, giving us a pure 5:4 major third above D 288. 540 shows up, too.

It just seems to me that 2, 3, 5 and even 7 should be used for frequency ratios.

[edit on 19-11-2008 by nscopheacriaaclters]

Originally posted by nscopheacriaaclters
Not to belabor this one, but are you sure 540 isn't a good C#? On one of these charts...

www.harmonictheory.com...

...we have an F# of 360, giving us a pure 5:4 major third above D 288. 540 shows up, too.

It just seems to me that 2, 3, 5 and even 7 should be used for frequency ratios.

[edit on 19-11-2008 by nscopheacriaaclters]

The link you provided is correct for the Doric mode.
The 432 harmonic related numbers are the same as in my list.
However the Messenger 540 warned me.
www.harmonictheory.com...

I found that 540 was also as C# in the Doric mode in Hinduism.
www.hinduism.co.za...

Besides that:
Regarding O.T.O. as the means in the outer. Observe O.T.O. = 540 plus A∴A∴ = 542 = therefore the number harmonizing these two.

alamut.rork.ru...

Observe O.T.O. = 540 plus A.'.A.'. = 542 = [(418 +666)/2]
418 = ABRAHADABRA union with the Beast code 666


Now the 3 Hebrew letters S, T, N. (Satan) have the values:
90 = Sadhe (letter S or Tz)
50 = Nun (letter N)
400 = Tav (letter T)
This gives again a total of 90 + 50 + 400 = 540

There are also 540 doors of Valhalla.


[edit on 20-11-2008 by hawk123]

Horus Eye is key to 440 Hertz


440 Hertz is the frequency of the Coffer in the Giza pyramid.
440 Hertz is also the Key to Atlantis.
www.atlantis.to...
YOD + HE = HE/YOD + HE = HE/YOD + HE = HE/YOD
110 + 110 = 220 + 220 = 440 + 440 = 880

The Ancient Egypt split the Horus Eye in six pieces.
1/2, 1/ 4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 and 1/64 = 63/64

529.375 x 3.3662337 = 1782 (Seal adopted)
216.5625 x 3.3662337 = 729 (Harmonic number under 1000)
216.5625 x 1.015873 (64/63) = 220
www.gnosisregained.co.uk...
www.gnosisregained.co.uk...
www.gnosisregained.co.uk...
www.book-of-thoth.com...

The Eye of Horus fraction is 64:63
mathworld.wolfram.com...
64/63 = 1.015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873

The ever repeating 015873 series provides us the Horus Eye disharmonic frequency.
15873 x 63 = 999999
The Double headed Eagle (Horus eye) gives 2 x 220 = 440 Hertz.
en.wikipedia.org...

www.lewisdt.com...
In 1782 the seal was adopted. See for 1782 above numbers.


[edit on 21-11-2008 by hawk123]

reply to post by hawk123


What should the frequencies of an A major triad be?

With D major, for example, it doesn't seem to be a problem; 288, 360, 432.

Root times 1.25 times 1.2. It works for D, but not A?

Originally posted by nscopheacriaaclters
reply to post by hawk123

 

What should the frequencies of an A major triad be?

With D major, for example, it doesn't seem to be a problem; 288, 360, 432.

Root times 1.25 times 1.2. It works for D, but not A?

This is so difficult to answer. It really needs a good study of:
Comma of Pythagoras:
www.skhane.com...
Fraction of Plato: (FP) (Plato World Series = PWS)
www.gnosisregained.co.uk...
And the Timaeus series.

The more repeating patterns after the comma the more disharmonic it is.

The good old Greek masters could produce music from Earth to Heaven.
440 Hertz is limited to a radius of 5040 miles around the Earth.

Maybe Bobby has a suggestion

[edit on 21-11-2008 by hawk123]

Originally posted by hawk123

Originally posted by nscopheacriaaclters
reply to post by hawk123

 

What should the frequencies of an A major triad be?

With D major, for example, it doesn't seem to be a problem; 288, 360, 432.

Root times 1.25 times 1.2. It works for D, but not A?

This is so difficult to answer. It really needs a good study of:
Comma of Pythagoras:
www.skhane.com...
Fraction of Plato: (FP) (Plato World Series = PWS)
www.gnosisregained.co.uk...
And the Timaeus series.

The more repeating patterns after the comma the more disharmonic it is.

The good old Greek masters could produce music from Earth to Heaven.
440 Hertz is limited to a radius of 5040 miles around the Earth.

Maybe Bobby has a suggestion

The Syntonic comma is also of concern, as much as (and compounding with) the Pythagorean difficulties. We definitely need Bobby's input on the matter, as well. The theoretical stuff is great, but considerations must be made for practical applications.

Originally posted by nscopheacriaaclters

The Syntonic comma is also of concern, as much as (and compounding with) the Pythagorean difficulties. We definitely need Bobby's input on the matter, as well. The theoretical stuff is great, but considerations must be made for practical applications.

The Syntonic comma uses the ratio 80:81
en.wikipedia.org...

IAO = Isis, Apophis, Osiris
en.wikipedia.org...

IAO = 10 + 1 + 70 = 81 (Gematria) (now leaving out the A)
IO = 80 (Gematria)

Again the 80:81 ratio introduced by Apophis (Greek) or Apep (Egypt)
en.wikipedia.org...
Apep is the Water Snake-Demon of Chaos.

It becomes now clear that even Pythagoras tuning can provide Chaos.

Hopefully Bobby has avoided this, but we still have not his full list.


[edit on 23-11-2008 by hawk123]

reply to post by HiAliens


Read the entire post from the beginning. The NAZIs did NOT determine the tuning standard of A440. It was posted earlier where and when it came from. Either the title of this thread should be changed to reflect historical accuracy or this thread should have been closed and restarted a long time ago. You probably won't get to see this reply because no one likes to do the research, they just like to use whatever sounds cool. OH, the NAZIs did it. OOH!

I don't remember what two pages I originally posted on. According to the title of this thread Joseph Goebels ( sp?) was responsible for the A440 tuning standard. If you will kindly search back to my earlier posts, you will find that the A440 tuning standard was accepted in America and decided upon by a meeting of piano teachers, music dealers and academicians way before poor old Joe. Now whether or not they were NAZIs I am not going to research. I'll leave that up to someone that likes doing things like that. I remember when I started here I made some really comical posts due to there naiivety and the fact that since I was using dialup, it was taking too long to read the entire thread before I jumped in and posted. I will recommend doing just that for any of you who feel like jumping to conclusions. This is a good thread because it is bringing out some interesting ideas but the original tital and premise of this thread has already been proven to be inaccurate and it is attracting posters who like to accredit or blame the NAZIs circa World War 2 era for everything. Now if you want to try and prove to me accurately that the people who ORIGINALLY decided on the standard were each a member of the NAZI party, I might be interested in your NWO theory. Please stick to the facts.

I don't know much about Goebbels' role (if any) in establishing A 440, but this article gives some insight into the meaninglessness of the standard...

www.docstoc.com...

...in 1859, a French government commission made A=435 Hz law in that country. At the urging of singers in certain German and London opera houses, this standard was adopted for a time in opera houses and concert halls in other parts of Europe also...

In any case, Britain in the last decades of the nineteenth century went its own way. In 1896, London’s Royal Philharmonic Society got around the practice of A=435 Hz in what appears to have been a contrived way. By the 1880s, scientists were able to calculate the amount by which the pitch of a wind instrument varies with room temperature. In Britain it was a common, but erroneous, belief that when the 1859 French commission decreed A=435 Hz, it had not specified an absolute frequency, but had specified 59o F as the room temperature under which the particular construction of the pitch-giving instrument (oboe) played A=435 Hz.5 The Philharmonic Society, on the advice of their consultant, therefore reasoned that the same instrument, at normal room temperature, 68o F, would play the A above middle C as:

435 + [(68-59)÷1000 × 435] = 438.915 Hz

which is A=439 Hz to the nearest integer. As a result, in 1896, A=439 Hz became a recognized pitch standard in Britain. In North America, meanwhile, the pitch of pianos and orchestras not only remained unstandardized in the first decades of the twentieth century but continued to creep upward.

...In the 1930s, the broadcasting industry made a push towards total standardization of concert pitch in Europe and North American. Success was achieved at a 1939 international conference held in London. Presumably as a compromise between current tendencies and earlier pitch standards, it was agreed that the international standard for concert pitch would thenceforth be based upon A=440 Hz — very close to the Royal Philharmonic’s A=439 Hz of dubious derivation.

This is the 1000th responce!!!


Yay!!! now I have to go back and read the whole thread?