NWO is responsible for concert pitch A-440hz

reply to post by hawk123


I don't know where you are located but I can already hear the rest of the world griping about what you suggest.

You should expect to hear something like:
"OH THOSE UGLY ARROGANT AMERICANS, they keep on wanting to impose their standards on the rest of the world."

Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by hawk123

 

you suggest.

You should expect to hear something like:
"OH THOSE UGLY ARROGANT AMERICANS, they keep on wanting to impose their standards on the rest of the world."

I have nothing against Americans.
Some of them are even my colleagues and are very friendly.
When asking my American collegues, they are even not aware that they are using ancient measurements.


It is only a TOP Elite who tries to make us stuped and they are already spread all over the world.

reply to post by AmoebaSized


hope you are able to get your synth to 432.
so far I have tested 4 synths,2 from roland, 1 korg, and 1 yamaha and none would do 432.
good luck and thank you for your input so far
-Bobby

The gooed news is that tthe Clock time standard has not been changed.
A day has 24 hours * 3600 seconds = 86400 seconds
Half a day 12 hours * 3600 seconds = 43200 seconds

Again the magic 432.

Now we should carefully watch that nobody change the Clock standard. !!!!

Originally posted by hawk123
The gooed news is that tthe Clock time standard has not been changed.
A day has 24 hours * 3600 seconds = 86400 seconds
Half a day 12 hours * 3600 seconds = 43200 seconds

Again the magic 432.

Now we should carefully watch that nobody change the Clock standard. !!!!

yes and 360 degrees in the circle too
and broken into 12 zodiacs 360 * 12 = 4320

you can`t escape or dispute nature.

Originally posted by Maya432
reply to post by AmoebaSized

 

hope you are able to get your synth to 432.
so far I have tested 4 synths,2 from roland, 1 korg, and 1 yamaha and none would do 432.
good luck and thank you for your input so far
-Bobby

correction.. it was 6.... it was 3 rolands, 2 korgs and 1 yamaha.
I just had to think about it a bit more.

Originally posted by Maya432

Originally posted by hawk123
The gooed news is that tthe Clock time standard has not been changed.
A day has 24 hours * 3600 seconds = 86400 seconds
Half a day 12 hours * 3600 seconds = 43200 seconds

Again the magic 432.

Now we should carefully watch that nobody change the Clock standard. !!!!

yes and 360 degrees in the circle too
and broken into 12 zodiacs 360 * 12 = 4320

you can`t escape or dispute nature.

Alot of the ancient people also only counted 360 days to a year, like the mayans, so that would also give a "4320".
And The mayans also have the "9" socalled underworlds, so here is the harmonic/devine/neverchanging again.

I deeply respect the ancients for their amazing insight to nature and all things.

Both my synths will tune about the same to that range of frequencies and both have 432Hz I can tune to. Ah, what can I say. My ear is flat, because for a long time now, it has just been that way. I used to be dead-on but after any kind of number of years, I've been doing something else, I guess. However, I can not decide whether it was just me going flat or just getting older. However, my JD-800 has a couple of keys near the high end of the keyboard that do not work. (I should get those fixed and have no idea why but that may be electronics of the modern day.) One should use the darn synth sometimes, but again, I am just scattered too much and computer programming is taking time if I ever get anywhere. But back to music, I guess for some reason I was flat with the hearing after awhile of not really being all listening to music and all of that anyway.
Anyway, that is not all that important.

What can I say about 432Hz in words though. I do not know, but I guess again for a long time for some reason I would think that with A=440Hz that the E note (you tune to for low E on the guitar) would sound sharp and almost like F. So perhaps there is something to that tuning to A=432Hz except then when I do put on like an old live album of Al DiMeola (sorry it is dark in here and late now and the snowstorm has not helped lately with the sinuses) or any record. I think it is snap or something, hard to explain. A band I guess wants to snap. Well, perhaps it is agitation in the end, like be more alive even if it hurts. But going back a long time ago, maybe that is why people left the dance. It could be just musicians and the songs were not what was wanted. Actually probably most people would not hear the difference, but perhaps in the end with the senses, there would be a difference. I do not know for sure since I am not out and about much anymore. It always seemed a little hyper to me though. It just seems that the blood pressure would go down and it may be more relaxed then with A=432Hz but again I am not sure. Usually I find I am different that way. Old synths now, and I am sure that someone else would like different brands (companies like Kurweill or whatever, I never keep up with it) of synth, but at the time -- hey it was programmable with the JD-800 and being simple that just happened. The other synth is considered not as good as the JV2080 or whatever they have now, but good enough for me. Afterall being used now they cost a lot less than when new and that, that was now years ago. I was joking about the fretless guitar. Well, never would have got a Hammond Organ to tune to that though. (but there is the off and on switch.)

Actually I tried 436Hz also, which I kinda like also. I guess it depends on what a person gets used to. Someone though probably would come along and condemn it though and the others may not have an opinion on tuning to that frequency of 432Hz. Maybe why all that booze was drunk up in the end. I doubt if many people would know the difference though, although it may resonant better being at A=432Hz. The sound is different though, and that is for sure. Well, learn something new everyday. Right now being away from music for quite awhile, my ear likes it though, although I have listened to music but for a different reason lately. I just do not expect to grit my teeth like when A=440Hz though also. But then, that may be something that was just a part of playing at A=440Hz. It is kind of expected I guess to make one move and be more agitated in the end. Kind of like this world -- mucked up.

Early synth:
www.geocities.com...

Actually I just use the JV1080 usually but it is a box:
er, sound module:
www.soundonsound.com...

Ah, not my usual type song, but something I guess:

music.download.com...

A few of the sounds where my own, but new batteries changed that. Well, I may have those sounds on floppies somewhere around. (sounds stored like for loading up sounds you made at one time, before the batteries go out.)(date of song is earlier than actually listed but only got put up for some reason, which is just to put it up I guess.)
It's my version of the John Titor story and a sad song at that.

dimensionalcitizen.tripod.com...

Yes, one can spend many a year on one of these things and not even play it, just change the sounds around and make up new ones.
At least I got a newer computer and a newer version of Cakewalk. Have not tried too many others, just got use to that one, and with all the editing I had to do, it works and don't cost all that much either. ($30-40) Although I know what free programs are and all of that, Cakewalk does work though.
Only a part-time if any time for it type hobby now if that.
It's a long story so I won't bore you but it started out as Midi.

Well, back to something doing something.

er, that song was recorded at A=440Hz but at 48,000 samples/second or whatever it is, and that website only puts up songs at 44,100Hz and 192kilobits. Ah, any time I tried to change it to 44,100 from 48,000 on the computer there would be ringing in it (digital changing it), so I used my old VCR tape recorder. Those record good as long as you can find a tape that does not have drop-outs. (with good enough S/N ratio) (hi-fi sound). So then I recorded it back into the computer at 44,100 samples just to put it up there. So needless to say, I have a slightly better version of that song, whatever it is.
Thank God you can edit music just like a word document! (but changing it on the computer from one rate to another does not seem to work with what I have on my computer).(and I am sure better equipment costs more also.)


Making it readable this, gees, early in the morning (or late at night.)



[edit on 2/8/2008 by AmoebaSized]

Ok, couple things:

First of, all in all this is a great thread. The OP gets pretty defensive and evasive there at the beginning, which put me off not a little bit. But I powered through it.

I'm still confused as to how the Fibonacci sequence or Pythagorean tuning are related. The number 432 doesn't appear in the former, and the latter relates to the musical intervals no matter what the reference pitch may be.

Still, I've often though personally and for as long as I can remember that there was something wrong with using a sterile, laboratory friendly number like 440 upon which to base all of your tuning, or probably more so being scolded by my elementary school orchestra teacher for tuning my violin to anything besides the holy 440. This is purely subjective of course, but to me it does seem a little bit sharp. I've always been afraid to express this feeling, which, assuming there is truth to the 432 conjecture, makes total sense.

Another thing that sorta came together for me when reading was that a 440Hz tone and a 432Hz tone interfering would beat(waves of constructive/deconstructive interference) at 8Hz, which corresponds to the threshold between Theta brain wave activity(drowsiness) and Alpha wave activity(relaxed alertness). So that's interesting.

Edit: ^corresponds with, not to

[edit on 8-2-2008 by Zelun]

Originally posted by Zelun
First of, all in all this is a great thread. The OP gets pretty defensive and evasive there at the beginning, which put me off not a little bit. But I powered through it.

I'm still confused as to how the Fibonacci sequence or Pythagorean tuning are related. The number 432 doesn't appear in the former, and the latter relates to the musical intervals no matter what the reference pitch may be.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by Zelun]

Neither I understand why OP is pretty defensive and evasive.

432 is part of the following fibonacci sequence:
0, 3, 3, 6, 9, 15, 24, 39, 63, 102, 165, 267, 432
www.research.att.com...

432 is related by the following calculation to a pythagoras triangle:
432 + mirror 234 = 666
Pythagoras Triangle is 666 by 888 by 1110

On the following link all 432 pythagoran triples can be found:
www.tsm-resources.com...

The first song at A=432Hz is almost done (well, done as good as it's about going to be concerning my playing anymore) with all instruments used at that frequency except drums. I don't know about all the rest, I guess I may spend some time looking up some stuff. I only equate at there being 9 numbers, 0-9, so I guess I am not into numerlogy that much or Pythagorean Triangle numbers that much, but will review some of the links. I just view a number as a symbol used to denote some value and since zero was thought up as an abstract concept to begin with since there was no symbol for nada or nothing way back when in the Past, I just don't know if anything that is done with numbers adds up to interpretations for or against some train of thought. Superstitition or the Occult or Goodness or Harmonic whatever's are best left to those individuals who see some sort of relation to anything like that. All I know is the new Cakewalk Music Creator does not have the 10-band equalizer in it like Music Creator 2003 which only means that even if the program works faster and accordingly to the OS - Windows XP, the old version may still have some merit. Actually I have another program like Magix mp3 maker that has some different equipment (digitially programmed) that may help also and an equalizer although hard to use that can flatline frequency response although the size of it is a little small to work with. You use your mouse as a drawing tool and can change any frequency down or up or use presets that I guess conform to some sort of standard like CD response or bass cut-off or some other things. Although hard to work with, it is interesting to use - say the least. And although Music Creator 4 probably has more to work with, I guess I have to use the Parametric Equalizer only with it, although it has a "Gain" menu setting which comes in handy.

Okay enough babbling, it seems all software anymore always has something lacking in it, it seems, although I do not have much new software. Perhaps a lot of musicians using cakewalk have all the fancy equipment to go along with whatever they are doing, I do not, except outboard equipment I just don't care to all use anymore. Space is limited and so is SpaceTime. I guess I am just not that critical anymore with anything, either it works or it does not, and with cords that is usually the case where one can spend a lot of money concerning connections that are a miniplug into the sound card instead of phone jacks or even phono (RCA type) plug-ins. I fail to see the humor of going from a phone jack (like amps have) to a miniplug anyway. I suppose all those musicians have digital connections also, but then my new computer makes more noise then my old computer, so when cheap is cheap that is what I have in the end. A faster computer is not needed for music anyway, but confounded cords with adaptors seem to be, and the rest I sold a long time ago, so someone else can spend all the money on it now. The rest is magic in making it sound good-enough, and although better equipment and the +4dB studio standard (or whatever it is now) is not like home consumer equipment that is the -10dB standard, and yes, it does make a difference but then I wonder who is all buying it. All optical fibers besides and anything else, I guess I won't have. I am sure there are numbers concerned with all of that also, and the numbers usually equate to having a barrel-full of money in the first place and that takes winning a lotto I guess if I ever played one anyway. I can about get more gain out of my old VCR unit because I doubt if I can hear distortion up to an amazing almost +10db on the VU meter, but then, it will go that high and some movies with hi-fi sound in the past were cut quite hot because those red segment meters were always lit up and +4dB on that unit was nothing although it all ends up on tape in the end. Well, harddrive units not withstanding, what happened to just hooking up a almost amp and just playing. I remember PA amps that were only 50 watts in the beginning. Ah, getting older!

And besides foot-pedals and anything else along with the cords, phooey!
I leave it for the younger crowd.
I need a list of comedy routines for my playing nowadays. Stump the band! (the crowd never did (even if played badly).)


With Eyes Closed! (then)

I realize I was some what defensive in the begining, but I thought that
I was past that.

as far as evasive?...um....I`m learning as a go ,and don`t want to make to many mistakes or wrong statments if I can help it.

wow
when I first discovered this 432 thing about 1 and a half to 2 years
ago.,
I first watched the sand experiment and i tested it and
discovered it was at 432hz.

I said to myself '432 ? ,is that supposed to be important or something.??

so i googled it.

I only got a few hits but they did show the importants of 432.

one was like a 2012 kinda site and one was a bunch of young
(college) classical musicians who made a web site to try to promote
the ancient tuning.

there were a couple that showed the cosmic side if it
and a few for the math side of it.

anyway

when I googled 432hz today(haven`t done that in many many months)
there were 3,750 hits. I was suprised.
Its not a revolution quite yet , but its growing.

Lots of musicians and all sorts of people all discussing it.
I`m happy to see the interest picking up steam.

for many reasons, I think this is important .





[edit on 11-2-2008 by Maya432]

heres a cool site
its laid out in simple terms and numbers.
external link

We are the Music that is the Magic.(thats why Music is Magic)
once we realize this .
the universe is ours.


[edit on 11-2-2008 by Maya432]

Okay for those of you who can not tell E from G in a song, and do not know what A=432Hz is or have trouble finding songs to compare, here is one. (Ah, a better 2nd version was just uploaded, but give it a few days maybe, the bad version is up now, and the better version was just uploaded, but again it has to go through a process not being a website of mine, just able to use it.)(the first bad version was approved in one day??). And there is other music there also at CNET music.download.com
depending on whether the artist is charging for it or not and I am not.)

music.download.com...
Song: With Eyes Closed.mp3

The digital readout states A=432Hz except for the drums (well actually the entire synth will be at that tuning then maybe drums also ??). A simple song and just something to hear that frequency as a master tuning. I am suprised that it was approved because like usual it sounds like another song to me, but then again it may have a few notes different. A better version will finally be made, but do not cringe as it is not meant for something for professional use or may not be your kind of music in the first place or last place but just something to listen to so as to get an idea of what notes in music sound like with A=432Hz. A better version will probably be put up when my fingers get working better. Only certain things can be done with a synth anyway, and the fingers do not work well on a guitar anymore, and that will be that. (Anyone disputing that ought to know that playing different intruments means moving your fingers in different ways and once spending a lot of years on one instrument does not mean that playing like a guitar is going to be something anyone can do if keyboard was the first intrument. Playing bass may be though.) The song is in the key of E.

As for anything else, anyone else can try and play drums on a synth, in certain things you can not beat the real instruments anyway, and actually for some reason they state it is a workstation (for some reason, I guess arrangements, since Mozart and Bach had to write the music all out by quill pen before the advent of the computer.)
And do not think that I do not know that there are better musicians in the world, since Deyo (the banana boat song) was something that use to be on a 45 hit record. Deyo, deyo, daylight come and me want to go home. Hey, Mister Taliman, tally me bananas.

Another strange 432 connection:
www.greatdreams.com...
Search on above link:
11, 343, 777, 128, 432, and cycles of time

Now: 343 = 7 x 7 x 7 and on 9-11:
There were 777 NYC firemen killed in the line of duty, up until 11 September 2001.
On that day, 343 NYC firemen were killed.

en.wikipedia.org...
And London bombing was July 7, 2005 = 777

heres another cool 432 link but its all in italian.
and the site even gives me a good plug too...cool.
www.automiribelli.org...

Originally posted by Maya432
heres another cool 432 link but its all in italian.
www.automiribelli.org...

Fantastic link and is easy to translate online.
During the 440 Hertz war, Italia was on the side of 432 Hertz.
On above link I find again Helmholtz from Germany.