Best Submarines?

You just stated safety precautions and natural circulation.

I said it was in my opinion, which is far from professional when it comes to submarines. I'm not going to try and lie about pretending to know everything about submarines.

The Hydrogen Peroxide carried on Sub's is for the torpedo's right?

The reason I believe the U212 is better is because it is more innovative than nuclear submarines. Nuclear subs are an old idea made new every decade.

The German engineers who created the U212 designed her so that she would never have enough H20 onboard needed to cause an explosion or fire due to the Hydrogen fuel cells.

The whole vessel is also made out of A-magnetic material.
(Correct me if there are other submarines that are made out of 100% of a-magnetic material please because ignorance is the worst).

I guess this would also force them to rely heavily on laser gyro's for navigation, nice. Never thought of that.

So to answer your question my friend. I did think it through and I see more potential for Hydrogen, since we have really just started to try and develop it for commercial use also.

The U212 broke the trend in the submarine world and that's why it stands out in my eyes. Like the first jet fighters in world war 2 flying past the amazed Allied airmen...strangely enough German engineering at work again...it's scary what these people are capable of.

[edit on 23-11-2009 by RWM88]

Originally posted by RWM88
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The German engineers who created the U212 designed her so that she would never have enough H20 onboard needed to cause an explosion or fire due to the Hydrogen fuel cells.
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That was not really a design consideration. The amount of H2 on board is limited by the use of metal hydride tanks which are very safe but also weigh a lot for relatively little H2 content.

Actually the H2 storage on the U212A and U214 is very safe; the tanks are outside of the hull and are considerably stronger than the actual boat cell. That means a force large enough to lead to a tank breach would likely be catastrophic for the hull in any case.

Lastly, even in the case of a tank breach, the H2 will be vented into the water where it is almost completely harmless. Of course the few pipes leading into the boat are at a risk of breach with catastrophic consequences, but that danger is common in all submarines regardless of propulsion method and fuel.

EDIT: Maybe you referred to what was said in your video that only a small amount of H2 is within the boat a t all times. In that case my point is moot of course.

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Now Orangetom, as our "on-site" expert on submarines, could you shed a light on how much or wether at all the actual dimensions of a submarine contributes to its "detectability"?

[edit on 23/11/2009 by Lonestar24]

Thanks for the informative description of the fuel cells

reply to post by RWM88

The German engineers who created the U212 designed her so that she would never have enough H20 onboard needed to cause an explosion or fire due to the Hydrogen fuel cells.

The whole vessel is also made out of A-magnetic material.
(Correct me if there are other submarines that are made out of 100% of a-magnetic material please because ignorance is the worst).

This is not a fast moving submarine. Good more for coastal duty. Not so much blue water.

A-magnetic material is not such a big deal with new technologies coming on line.

Also Hydrogen Peroxide is not used in modern torpedoes. There are much better fuels in usage today.

I am not an expert on this. I just know certain things by coming into contact with them.

Submarines have inertial navigation systems on board and spend considerable time running them up to keep them accurate...in port and at sea. They can also be updated or tweaked in closely while underway by a satellite fix. Boomers can update this information's into the missiles even though they are in the missile tubes and sealed up.
They have to be able to do this for targeting changes..should this be necessary Same with the Tomahawk missiles in a Vertical Launch System.
Common sense will tell you this if you think it through.

One thing submarines try to do if time constraints allow when coming to the surface or Periscope depth is get a navigation fix and tweak this into the IMU. Inertial Measuring Unit should there be any errors found.

As to the size of a submarine. It has some bearing on how efficient it is in certain arenas but this is overcome by certain design changes and advancements as to size. That is about all I will say on this. It will have to do.

Somewhere on here I saw a series of photos of the outside and interior of a Russian Typhoon submarine. Wow!! What a piece of junk. I can see why many of them are sitting in yards and storage and going bad. Too costly to run and maintain.

Hope this helps,
Thanks,
Orangetom