Ok Am I The Only One PO'd About This ?

Originally posted by FremenBlueEyes


Thank you for your support.
in reference to your side note, i own lots of guns and my brother works for blackwater USA. I have a lot of friends in security protection so, i'm not worried. in regards to you, use your 2nd ammendment right and buy a firearm and then get a conceal and carry permit. protection is awesome.
I am going to work now but will post my ideas for the mass protest tonight. Thanks again

dont worry about that i own plenty of guns. and i practice with them, regularly.

OK, sounds like most people have one primary reason for insisting that the 'gubmint' come out and make a statement on UFOs.

But why? What's the point? (considering that, admitted or not, the gubmint is "doing" whatever they can with regards to them).

It sounds to me like the OP is still NOT SURE that the UFO phenomenon is based on, or due to the ET-hypothesis (that intelligent, sentient, or intelligently controlled pilots who are not of this Earth are flying them), and they want the gubmint to come forward and PROVE to them that their suspicions are correct.

IOW, if you really KNEW what they were, why would you need some suit and tie guy to give a press conference?

Again, assuming that the gubmint is "doing" everything they can, uh, about the UFOs.

What would change? Why would you be any happier? (except for the fact that you could run around saying 'SEE, SEE, I TOLD YOU'.)

(which begs my point: you're not sure; we're not sure).

What if there's nothing for the gubmint to come forward about? IOW, you're getting all stewed up for nothing really.

(just to clarify, I'm not really a 'skeptic', or 'anti-true believer'. For me, there's just not enough to raise this above the level of myth and story).

Edit: Again, to clarify, it's not as though the UFO phenomenon is posing an imminent danger. Nobody's being killed, that I'm aware. If people are being abducted it's not clear who's doing it or why. If it's really a sinister thing, then there's NOTHING we can do to out the parties involved - I mean, c'mon, they're (supposedly) super advanced beings and stuff - how are we going to force them. I mean, we don't know, it might even increase the danger if we did that.

If we could conclusively show that real people were being harmed, then yeah, get that info to your congressman, otherwise, it's just a 'fun' topic to discuss, imo.






[edit on 19-12-2007 by Badge01]

Originally posted by FremenBlueEyes
yeah shawn!!!! that's awesome.

so now we have 2 out of 130,000 members.

and also, we do not have to spend money at all, but rather organize a national protest with all peoples in their local arenas, all on the same day and the same time.

just think if we get this organized and alert news stations and get national media coverage!!!!!

we CAN do this.

i agee with you fremenblueeyes, im with u also . Something absolutley has to be done to find out truth in anything .

Originally posted by Badge01
OK, sounds like most people have one primary reason for insisting that the 'gubmint' come out and make a statement on UFOs.

But why? What's the point? (considering that, admitted or not, the gubmint is "doing" whatever they can with regards to them).

It sounds to me like the OP is still NOT SURE that the UFO phenomenon is based on, or due to the ET-hypothesis (that intelligent, sentient, or intelligently controlled pilots who are not of this Earth are flying them), and they want the gubmint to come forward and PROVE to them that their suspicions are correct.

IOW, if you really KNEW what they were, why would you need some suit and tie guy to give a press conference?

Again, assuming that the gubmint is "doing" everything they can, uh, about the UFOs.

What would change? Why would you be any happier? (except for the fact that you could run around saying 'SEE, SEE, I TOLD YOU'.)

(which begs my point: you're not sure; we're not sure).

What if there's nothing for the gubmint to come forward about? IOW, you're getting all stewed up for nothing really.

(just to clarify, I'm not really a 'skeptic', or 'anti-true believer'. For me, there's just not enough to raise this above the level of myth and story).

Edit: Again, to clarify, it's not as though the UFO phenomenon is posing an imminent danger. Nobody's being killed, that I'm aware. If people are being abducted it's not clear who's doing it or why. If it's really a sinister thing, then there's NOTHING we can do to out the parties involved - I mean, c'mon, they're (supposedly) super advanced beings and stuff - how are we going to force them. I mean, we don't know, it might even increase the danger if we did that.

If we could conclusively show that real people were being harmed, then yeah, get that info to your congressman, otherwise, it's just a 'fun' topic to discuss, imo.

[edit on 19-12-2007 by Badge01]

oh gee. it would make me happy you are correct in that sense. What would we gain from full disclosure besides hapiness. Oh i don't know, little things like, free energy, advanced communications and transportation, enlightened spiritual ascension, amoung other stupid little things like that. Are you picking up my sarcasm here. i hope so. If this info is disclosed and the government release the tech they have then it will be a whole new ball game baby. don't you think, with the problems the earth is haveing now, that we could use a little help. Am i the only one, and a few others, that wants to better this dying world of ourS???

side note: i do not have time for the next day to post my ideas even though they are in my head. I am celebrating my lovely girlfriends birthday. so why dosent everybody who is interested start posting their ideas??? not a demand though just a time passer. Thanks again guys and lets get more people to join on. I will say that i am looking to have this little protest in 6 months to a year so we can get fully organized, i.e. websites, news channels in on it. so like i said before, let's do this thing!!!!

Ok, here is my first idea, not that anybody really cares anyway, but:

1: Plan a date about a year down the road. Start a website where you can volunteer to be organizers in your region. Form contact groups and try to recruit members for the protest. Alert news affiliates of the protest. On the day of the protest, gather in your town or cities epicenter, (i.e. squares or highly traveled areas). Do the protest thing with signs and what not, (Honk for disclosure!!). Write congressmen and representatives before hand to see that they have a constituents that are interested in this topic, so they must represent us.


that is just one idea, probably the most plausible.

Thanks

Originally posted by Badge01
OK, sounds like most people have one primary reason for insisting that the 'gubmint' come out and make a statement on UFOs.

But why? What's the point? (considering that, admitted or not, the gubmint is "doing" whatever they can with regards to them).

Because of the quirky little hints I got from gubmint people, I know they are itchin to do it. They just can't. They are patriots and they aren't going to break oaths that they believe in. More power to them.

But if they are itching to do it, its probably the right thing to do. Maybe its to say "Its the worlds biggest "Nice Hair" trick and you all fell for it." Or maybe its "We are pet food". Who knows? But they wanna talk. They can't. They don't want us to be ignorant, but they have sworn to protect us by keeping us that way. Sounds like a devil's bargain to me, but I don't see what they see.

That tells me something about where our country is headed in terms of security versus liberty.

[edit on 21-12-2007 by Ectoterrestrial]

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Right, i think the key is to strike the nerve that gets them to talk. There has to be something that can be done to get disclosure. Power in numbers, maybe... writing congressman?? maybe but i would say it really depends on which congress members we would be writing to.

I'd have to say the first step is organizing ourselves, e-mail addresses/phone numbers so we can get a newsletter going. Also, some one has to volunteer to lead this whole thing.... or a vote can be taken to decide who leads/talks the most.

any way you look at it i think we're gonna need more people in a joint effort than just 4 or 5 of us. We gotta get some solid numbers with a core group of people who want to do this to get the ball rolling.

Simple things like flyers and mass public memos are a good way to get the word spread through to the people too, its going to take more the just the brethren of ATSers
to get this going in a real way.

It may just be me but i do not want disclosure to come at the very last second before the s#@$ hits the fan, know what i mean vern? The more and more i think about this becoming an actual reality, the more excited i get. We just need some motivation people. It is frustrating to me because i do not have the ability to motivate the people of the site through 12 font type and i do not have a video of me talking to an alien, which i am sure would entice some motivation. The only way we are going to get this done is if we motivate ourselves people. We have to be sick and tired of all of this secrecy and discrimination towards our cause. I really do like what springer and the ats team are doing with their roswell thread and all of those documents they discovered. Maybe that will ignite the flames we need to get this started.

Very good idea. Best to do it now while the U.S. Constitution is still in play. I think with thousands as you said would be a wake up call for many people and you should definatly do this.

Only ideas can be shared on this thread. I want to make it known that i am not recruiting but if i am inclined to recruit i will start a website that is unaffilated with ATS. Stay tuned for the URL. Thank you all for your support and i will let you know soon.

BTW, anyone know how to create cool websites, i don't.

I could do us a website.

oh gee. it would make me happy you are correct in that sense. What would we gain from full disclosure besides hapiness. Oh i don't know, little things like, free energy, advanced communications and transportation, enlightened spiritual ascension, amoung other stupid little things like that.

May I ask you a question ( and YES I do believe in ET's ).

What makes you think they have:

FREE ENERGY
ADVANCED COMMUNICATIONS
ENLIGHTENED ANYTHING?

They could be travelers ( nomads ) that simply roam from galaxy to galaxy TAKING energy sources from planets so they may get to the next galaxy...so in a sense it is FREE energy...for them anyway.

Since they just travel from place to place on a generational ship, they have no one to communicate with, so no advanced communication network.

They may not be enlightened at all, but very very bad aliens. See what I am saying...without proof of anything you stated I am of the school that disclosure, when it comes, may be more of a bang up side our Earthling heads than a "HI HOW ARE YOU" moment.

Dorian Soran

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Blue Eyes,

You are certainly not the only one thinking the way you do. I commend you on your enthusiasm and passion.

Did you know, by posting right here on ATS, you are already making a difference. The full disclosue you seek may not come tomorrow, however I think there is a light at the end of this tunnel.

I noticed you recently joined ATS this month. Welcome aboard!!

Now to the meat. You see, there's a revolution taking place. It encompasses all media formats. It has backing and a strong leadership group.

The Three Amigo's (owners of this site) have set in motion a wonderful plan. It has started with a vast archive of FOIA documents which you are free to look at.

I know you're all for this revolution, so start reading the following and do your part to make this a reality.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There are other great threads regarding the revolution. Just type in "revolution" in the upper right search box.

Good luck,

Becker

yeah. I understand where you are coming from. Attacking the suprastructure of control from a digital front is a very powerful method indeed. But, i think it would also be effective if other routes are taken, such as- proactive person to person interaction in regards to displaying evidence, establishing contact with your senator so he may see the interest of his constituents when it comes to the matter of ufo/e.t. disclosure, and mass organized protests where regular people can see with their own eyes a large community of the intelligent and informed who are passionate and unshaken in their cause.
Or does that just happen in the movies. I could, probably am, be an idealist but isn't that how things usually get done. I appreciate your comment but will still try to do my part on a different front. They're (the douschebags in control) like germany in WWII, and the digital front is Russia, and I'll be, well, Britain (i like scones), and we'll meet in the middle

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I'm sure, just as in the spectrum of all things, there are good E.T.'s and there are bad E.T.'s. It would be irrational to generalize that there is just bad anything. In regards to the free energy thing. If a traveler rides in a space ship, or even travels through time, i think that they would have a scientific community advance enough to figure out a free energy device of some kind. And i'm sure their communications would be rather advanced to.

There were plenty of protests all over the US, even in front of the White House back in the 90s. People picketing and waving signs calling for disclosure. Nothing happened.

The sad fact is that the government can label anything "a threat to national security" and then you can kiss your US consititution rights good bye. They can shut you down, freeze your accounts, put you in jail, make you sign all kinds of documents and threaten your lawyers etc.

They know exactly how to deal with average Joe Blows or small time organizations constantly struggling for funds. They have had 60 years of practice, they have a huge state-of-the-art apparatus behind them, procedures and highly trained people in place just to do these kinds of jobs.

The only way anything ever gets disclosed will be somewhere outside of the United States in a country strong enough to resist US pressure. You will need a team of multi-billionaires (not one but a dedicated team of ultra-rich and comitted individuals) putting together a well laid plan to get the facts, analyze them and bring them to the general public.

Anything else especially in the US will not make a dent.

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Please remember that is simply YOUR opinion.

I can tell you are SURE they have free energy and communications technology to give away at will, however, please remember that just because we WANT somethimg to be true does not MAKE it true.

Dorian Soran

i want a lesbian planet in need of breeders to be true. is that asking to much

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Peaceful protests do nothing. Govt. leaders would just watch us on the TV and laugh at us, then switch to comedy central. If they want the secret to stay hidden from the masses, they'll do so no matter what we think of it (not to be negative) but at least info will leak out every now and then to the few with an open mind.

Hello starter of this thread, the effort is already in place

2001 The Disclosure Project
www.disclosureproject.org...

2007 Coalition for Freedom of Information, CFi
www.freedomofinfo.org...

See also:
MoD (Ministry of Defence, UK) recently opened up their "files" and is there for grabs if you are interested. See www.nickpope.net..., direct link to the files at MoD. Complete project BlueBook has been scanned and can be read online if you are interested.





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