The Interstellar Case Files: by Jose Escamilla

It's just hard to believe that someone like Jose would make threats in U2U. I am not saying it's false.

But has anyone ever thought it could be someone else posing to be Jose Escamillia?

Can we verify that it's actually him?

reply to post by W3RLIED2


As keen as I am to reproduce these images you have to consider this, if that task is achieved than what comparative images are you going to use to identify them.

I am going to post this schematic again even though it has been posted in this thread by Zorgon and by me in the fast thread, as you can see there is a lot of stuff up there how do we differentiate there origin from the less then perfect images we get.




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Originally posted by Jose Escamilla
I admit I made some quick decisions and continued with the production of Interstellar, but after consulting with my researcher in Mexico that I've known years, and after he told me it was all real

Dear Jose,

I have consulted a few astrophotographers and they all told me the same thing basically. The videos are real, they are filming real orbital objects but the telescope has not been collimated like it is supposed to be before observing. If you already add to this, noise and turbulences, you can get some freaky results.I did post a link earlier of the weird looking results you get just taking photos of the ISS with a CCD webcam & an offset telescope.

Distortions, exagerated reflexions, etc...are just some of the words that can describe the result. There are quiet a few other tricks possible : playing with the focus of the camrecorder or the webcam, playing with some of the digital effects within the camrecorder, adding transparent plastic film over the telescope, etc... But just having both mirrors offset is already good enough.

Just to say, that it is possible to film satellites and make them look like
Star Trek's spaceships. Let's not forget that some satellites may have a very weird aspect already.

If you want my advice, send them to this guys ad ask them what they think :
www.ast.cam.ac.uk...

Always ask (some of) the best specialists.

Now if we talk about his (Lenard) photos taken in his backyard without a telescope, these are not worth a penny and I can send you much wierder ones if you want. Just shake the camera a little bit and you will see what you will get. I am not even talking about the noise in thes pics, which makes it look like there are stars all over the building.

Please excuse my English and ask me if you don't understand something I
said.

Peace,


The myth ends when the measures start...UAPs are a reality.

Can i make a somehow absurde or off topic comment...


www.jemworksllc.com...

www.jemworksllc.com...


Why is that those two pictures have such gramatical mistakes?

You can read several times"Hear" instead of "Here"...and in one of the pics you can even read "Meens" instead of "Means".

Maybe the author of this pics is not a native english speaker...? was in a rush and he wrote with mistakes....?

Sorry for my english.

SHERPA
i think you make some very good points, and it probably is hard to differentiate with all the chunks up there.
that said, the major percentage range in size of only a couple millimeters wide up to a meter or so.
(and i've read that most of the larger objects eventually/gradually burn up in orbit, is that correct..??)

also, going by the best images we get of the ISS(and it's size in those images), these things would have to be large/huge.

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EUROPA
thankyou for the informative post.
your knowledge on the matter seems very detailed, and is appreciated.

reply to post by Orion437


'i think' he is not native,
and if you want an even more blatent example that seems to evidence of this, google his bliptv episode 4 film.

reply to post by livo74


Estimating size would be a reasonable way to differentiate what we see but I am not entirely sure what reliable method could be used.

An important consideration in that estimate would be distance without knowing this you are not going anywhere, unfortunately that part of the equation is beyond me or I would be working for NASA, (maybe not though).

Size of terrestrial born objects would be pretty much dependent on lift capabilities of current launch vehicles or multiples thereof unless you include possible exotic alternatives of which I know not of.

Shape is a tricky one also with a plethora of different solar arrays to chose from plus of course the secret satellites that have shapes and structures we would not necessarily know because..well their secret.

As you can see it is a tricky undertaking although I would like to see these images reproduced just to dimiss downright hoax as opposed to mistaken identity.

Hello everyone,


Oooops I did not see that Jose was banned. I am not surprised at all, the person sounds like a dictator sometimes.

Someone said "Jose is winning because we are talking about him all day long", let's remember this wise comment but @ the same time, let's not forget that for a few of us who want to take the matter of UAPs seriously, these kind of individuals are harming us and the UAPs subject & research in general.

This same kind of people are worth than skeptics and debunkers because
they contaminate the UAP subject with unwanted folklore like the Rods, C&C, Alien vidéos, etc...

The truth is out there waiting for us and science is not our enemy, ignorance and folklore are our real enemies.

Be wise...

Peace to ya all and I am happy to see that quiet a few members think the same way. oh by the way, We WON against ignorance!!!

reply to post by Orion437


Hello Orion437,

That is because Mr Lenard did not take these photos. He probably
found them somewhere. I thought about it too, good call !!!


Peace

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
1. I dont disagree with the all mighty ban, but at the same time despite the threatening messages, Jose is an influential figure in the ufology scene. He's released some pretty dramatic footage for the argument that we are and have been visited.

2. While jose was in the wrong for threatening people via U2U, there are people in this thread that were on the attack from the beginning who were not interested in the proof of the FAST videos, only in pushing buttons.

1. That's part of the issue - an "influential" figure shows up here, provides evidence that he has carried out absolutely no research on some dubious footage captured by an unknown method. Extraordinary claims are made in a set up designed to produce profit in a typical diet pill suck you in manner.
This thread alone has probably shown that this person should no longer be seen as an influential figure.
(For those that think it is wrong for me to state this after he has been banned and has no right of reply I am only stating what has been said in an earlier post by myself before the ban)

2. With the exception of one person who early on referred to an unrelated subject that is not the case. Difficult questions were asked in a civil manner that were either not responded to or the response was inappropriate. If that pressed buttons then it says everything about the respondee and nothing about the questioner.
If you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen, especially when trying to sell recipe's as a public figure.

reply to post by sherpa


your post makes a lot of sense, and very good points.

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(with my limited knowledge..).. NASA would quickly show me the door!

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Wow. That's really unfortunate. Not the banning but, the behavior that led to it.

Ya know, I have been thinking a lot about how others view me (and people like me), this forum and people who are attracted to it.

I think 99% of the people here are - most of the time - willing to entertain all sorts of views and opinions. I understand things get heated and I think I understand why: These are deeply held beliefs that sometimes question our very existence. Are we alone? Is there a secret government, or those within it that act in secret? What are those strange things we see in the sky from time to time? Has NASA been as open as I like to think they are? Many, many great questions, speculations and discussions happen here. ATS is a valuable resource that, in my opinion, is infinite.

Why then the seeming implosion(s) of more notable people? Why does there seem to be more damage done to our cause than help? Why are so many hoaxers drawn to this area of discussion? Personally, I believe that we are a group ripe for the picking. We desire truth so much that we are willing to believe obvious lies. We are willing to look the other way because we are so willing to believe. We know in the core of who we are that the truth is out there. It's no different than the bottom-feeders in Mexico who prey on terminal cancer patients by offering "miracle cures". I think it's human nature to be an easy target. Follow my previous example a little further: people without cancer are far more likely to consider some new "cure" for what it is because they don't have an emotional/real stake in what's presented. That same person who finds out a loved one is terminal will flop from a reasoned, thoughtful person to one that will believe just about anything because they emotionally need to find an answer. I know my example is rough but, I think you get the idea. We are ripe for the picking because we are looking for evidence about a subject we have already drawn conclusions on.

I hope as we discuss these things we realize all of us, me included (a skeptic) want to believe. I am so ready to believe it hurts. On some topics I absolutely do. On others, not so much. When someone like me brings up an objection, it's out of a search for the truth. A desire for real, pure evidence.

It is my opinion that people like Mr. Escamilla will not be the ones to expose the truth of what's "out there". I firmly believe it will be a debunker or a skeptic. Someone who does not have an emotional or more importantly a financial interest that is often juxtaposed against honest evaluations of all of the evidence in all of it's context.

In this particular thread ATS'ers were asking tough questions of Mr. E almost immediately. I was really hoping he was going to present some new/interesting information or data or ......... something.

I think it's fair to hold a little in reserve when someone who has a vested financial outcome is presenting evidence on these kinds of topics.

I hope that we, as ATS'ers can draw strength from our various slants, backgrounds, political biases, ideas and suggestions. Lets not focus on the fact that Mr. E imploded, or why. Lets, instead, focus on the fact that most of us are still here, following the rules, throwing ideas around and searching - together - for the truth.

Fair enough?

[edit on 20-12-2007 by SlightlyAbovePar]

"...With the exception of one person who early on referred to an unrelated subject that is not the case. Difficult questions were asked in a civil manner.."

thankyou for expressing your opinion.

mine is this..
i do not think that is true, and a large pecentage of posts were blatent verbal personal attacks, and there was more than 1 perpetrator.

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......and never the twain shall meet.

reply to post by livo74


I think your right but, may I offer a counter-point?

I think your right, and I think they did so with good reason. I'm not endorsing taking someone to task in these forums. Not at all, please allow me to continue.

Having said that; I think most of the posters you refer to smelled something fishy and lately, this is no place to posture. Especially if you're someone like Mr. E. I think the mood of ATS is one of "use the bathroom, or get off the pot".

Although the execution was poor (personal attacks), the motivation was correct (smelling a rat).

I think a better tactic is to let people hang themselves. Not literally of course, but figuratively. Which, is, IMO, exactly what happened. If there was something with teeth to all of these claims, if things were on the up and up, it would all be self evident.

This is very Unfortunate.

I knew he was struggling to keep his cool but I had hopes that we pull through and rise above. I was wrong, some people just cannot take the heat. He was just not meant to be. Oh well.

reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar


(the excecution of your reply was greatly appreciated )

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
While jose was in the wrong for threatening people via U2U, there are people in this thread that were on the attack from the beginning who were not interested in the proof of the FAST videos, only in pushing buttons.

I think you are exactly right.

ATS has a big problem with attracting, and keeping, high profile people such as Jose, because as soon as one shows up, they are immediately set upon by a small army (team? gang?) who do everything possible to provoke them, put them on the defensive, discredit them, make them feel unwelcome etc.

I remember the same damn thing happened when Michael Knight showed up earlier this year, and that was an upsetting loss as well

This is not to say that Jose was justified in sending people threatening U2Us, and I would never condone such behavior, but this is still an upsetting loss

Something really needs to be done to protect high-profile people from "The Treatment" when they show up here.... (HINT HINT STAFF!!!!!)

Here is the way I see it.

GridKeeper for weeks accused Escamilla of scams and dragged his name through the mud on this site. Escamilla wasn't even around. So finally Escamilla shows up here and wants to make some things clear. Kudos to him for doing so. Even if some people don't want to believe him it is always good to hear to other side of the story so we can form an opinion having more information on the matter.

So Escamilla shows up and confronts GridKeeper. And what happens ? GridKeeper is nowhere to be found. He was very vocal when Escamilla wasn't around but now not even a peep from him.

Escamilla gets attacked for "hijacking" ATS which I personally find absurd since he created one thread only, the rest were created by other members and he participated in them at their request. He was wasting his personal time answering questions related to not only his work but also other issues. Kudos to him once again.

Finally when these threads became popular they attracted all kinds of people, some of them had nothing better to do than to attack Escamilla over and over again. He finally lost it and might have said something via U2U that was uncalled for and he got banned. He wasn't banned for "hijacking" anything.

I enjoyed his participation and his insights on this site. I hope I am not alone.

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Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
This is total BS. I was threatened via U2U by FOX News lamers and nothing happened.

Did you report it?

We're not able to do anything if we don't know about it.