The Interstellar Case Files: by Jose Escamilla

reply to post by internos


Thanks for the web site URL, I received these coordinates from someone and never knew where they came from. Thanks for acknowledging the source. Let's keep this link active and this person's findings! I hope these coordinates yield results. I have a line on an optical system that my friend told me Lenard based his apparatus on. I am finding this link and will post it in the morning. I need to go back to bed. I am beat.

Thanks Internos!

Jose Escamilla

Originally posted by internos
Hi, Jose: hope this helps:

Now that is interesting...





[edit on 17-12-2007 by zorgon]

Before I lay me kangaroo down tonight, I wonder...has anyone seen or heard a peep from Gridkeeper or Lenard today? What happened to this Sunday surprise?

You know how you try sleeping, wake up and just can't get back in the sleep mode...? That's where I'm at right now.

I need sleep, as I have a long day tomorrow, but I am wide awake! It's 1:28 am, "Day Three!" and not one word from these two! I thought they had lots to say?

Jose Escamilla

I got this from Gridkeeper's YOUTUBE account - sorry if it has already been posted.

"Message to everyone discussing the Gridkeeper/JLW situation on the forums, you are all off the mark. We are two different people and there is much more to this than has been shown. Oh, and all the MIB stuff is real. See the video description of the MI5 video for an example."

Originally posted by zorgon

Mike... the photo I posted of the ISS was taken with a 10" LX200R (by Bret Dahl)
www.meade.com...

$3,699 US

That's it? I'm heading for the mart to get one and then look here....


Courtesy: My Shield Corporation

And if I can't capture them using the 10" LX200R, I'll be sending you the bill for compensation!!

Thanks to internos for the link!

Cheers!

Source: www.we-are-not-alone.us...





[edit on 17-12-2007 by mikesingh]

thanks Jose, thanks internos,

and big thanks mike!

(mike, i am not 'privy' to any details, i do not know if they are real, i have not seen a ufo for over 20 years, i seriously want to again, i have been wearing rose colored glasses in respect to these images, i am financially retarded, and i want you to validify these suckers as being real...

..But fear that this repeated jargon about needing a 'special' part may be real!!
please!! prove my fears unfounded, kind sir!!! )

mathew liversidge
melb australia

reply to post by livo74


Thanks livo, but hang on, some. We have the big guns on this thread and hopefully we'll get to know the facts soon , whichever way they point to!!

Cheers!



[edit on 17-12-2007 by mikesingh]

reply to post by mikesingh


can and will do, mike


"warriors, come out and play"

Originally posted by dodgygeeza
I got this from Gridkeeper's YOUTUBE account - sorry if it has already been posted.

"Message to everyone discussing the Gridkeeper/JLW situation on the forums, you are all off the mark. We are two different people and there is much more to this than has been shown. Oh, and all the MIB stuff is real. See the video description of the MI5 video for an example."

Erm..The video of the helicopters might well be real ie real helicopters but it also contains portions of a UFO sighting that has nothing to do with Leonard.

www.liveleak.com...

Why use footage from somewhere else if you are being buzzed all the time.

Sorry, I could get the same footage from RAF Northolt, they have Chinooks all the time

Compare the Stalking footage

blip.tv...

from 1.41ish to the other footage.....Oh dear, it's the same...

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by Donoso
Mike, if there are secret satellites (there are) in Earth orbit you can bet an amateur astronomer somewhere around the globe has accidentally had it cross his field of view. He/she may not know what it was at the time but this happens often.

Hi Donoso,

Here’s a photograph taken in Normandy by French astrophotographer Thierry Legault, published in the Daily Mail. He used a digital camera attached to a £5,000 specially kitted-out telescope. Note the telescope was specially kitted out and cost £5,000!!

And what's more, the ISS seen in the pic below, is visible because of the yellow background of the sun. Could it have been spotted against the black background of space?


Courtesy: Daily Mail.

Now how many of us can afford one at that astronomical price especially if one’s an amateur astronomer? Are these the possible reasons why the many amateur astronomers have been unable to see these objects? (If they exist!).

www.dailymail.co.uk...






[edit on 17-12-2007 by mikesingh]

In short, no. Amateur astronomer routinely drop the equivalent of 5000 pounds or more on a setup, but such expenses are not mandatory to be able to see the space station's structure or spot other satellites. An 8" scope with computerized tracking like mine only costs about $1,500-2,000 US dollars, and many amateur astronomers are retired engineers with cash to burn. There are some amateurs out there who spend their time trying to keep track of classified military satellites, and they've successfully been keeping track of the orbits of every classified spy sat out there except for one named "misty," a stealth spy sat that actively reflects its heat away from anyone who they suspect might be trying to watch it, thus remaining virtually invisible. Whatever the reason is that amateurs have apparently been unable to see these objects, whether it's a hoax, an illusion, or whatever, it's not for a lack of looking.

[edit on 17-12-2007 by ngchunter]

reply to post by ngchunter

There are some amateurs out there who spend their time trying to keep track of classified military satellites, and they've successfully been keeping track of the orbits of every classified spy sat out there except for one named "misty," a stealth spy sat that actively reflects its heat away from anyone who they suspect might be trying to watch it, thus remaining virtually invisible. Whatever the reason is that amateurs have apparently been unable to see these objects, whether it's a hoax, an illusion, or whatever, it's not for a lack of looking.

That's interesting, do you have any links to misty or maybe a source for the talk about it ?

reply to post by sherpa


Google is your friend.

Rocky SpySat Investigation

It's not like either MISTY was invisible. Amateur satellite observers tracked the first and second MISTY satellites. I blogged about this a couple of months ago after a couple of former SPACECOM officers mentioned a classified piece of the puzzle that would complicate plans to share satellite tracking data to reduce the risk of collisions.

And a general discussion of the whole program :

Anatomy of a Spy Satellite

Hope that helps

reply to post by eaglewingz


Excellent, I didn't think it would be so easy to find, that and a touch of laziness on my part, thanks eaglewingz have a star.

I quite liked this part:

One document is U.S. Patent 5,345,238, issued to Teledyne Industries of Los Angeles, California in 1994. It details a movable "satellite signature suppression shield" -- a bit of clever technology that can suppress the laser, radar, visible, and infrared signatures of a satellite. The invention makes spotting or tracking a satellite a tough-to-do proposition.

And

Another stealthy satellite was launched in 1999 atop a Titan 4 rocket launched from California. Once again the amateur satellite trackers followed it, although after awhile they began to suspect that they were actually following a decoy and that the satellite itself was in a different orbit.

www.space.com...

And from satobs.org...

I have a hunch that the real USA 144 is Misty 2, a "stealth satellite" in a 700- 800 km orbit, with the above object a light weight decoy. At the very least, its rotation and high area-to-mass ratio (about 0.09 m^2/kg) suggest a debris-like object.

Originally posted by sherpa
reply to post by ngchunter

 

There are some amateurs out there who spend their time trying to keep track of classified military satellites, and they've successfully been keeping track of the orbits of every classified spy sat out there except for one named "misty," a stealth spy sat that actively reflects its heat away from anyone who they suspect might be trying to watch it, thus remaining virtually invisible. Whatever the reason is that amateurs have apparently been unable to see these objects, whether it's a hoax, an illusion, or whatever, it's not for a lack of looking.

That's interesting, do you have any links to misty or maybe a source for the talk about it ?

www.space.com...

This gives some background and context. It goes on to describe how misty probably actively deflect attempts to detect it using an inflatable "shield" - some material that absorbs, visible, microwave, and radar parts of the spectrum to make it seem that there's nothing there but empty space. Paint a spacecraft black and how are you going to see it against the black backdrop of space? That's basically all they had to do here. A satellite can't be all black though; it'd quickly overheat, so instead they invented a movable shield to block viewing it from certain locations as it orbits the earth.


*Nevermind, I see other people beat me to the punch

[edit on 17-12-2007 by ngchunter]

Originally posted by Jose Escamilla
reply to post by omnigrail

 

Good question. Lenard in many phone conversations slipped information to me about the apparatus. At the time of that posting you referenced, he and I were still under our contract, he was my partner, and in protecting his and my agreement, there was no reason for me divulge any trade secrets pertaining to the device. Besides, I was producing the films, and promoting the project, Lenards job would be to get the apparatus built, scope and cams allocated to his specs, and then I would assist in getting the device prototype made, tested and providing it could work on practically any type of scope optics system, get it mass produced and marketed through astronomy stores, web sites worldwide, etc.

That was my plan. Then Lenard started this story about agents and all that, (see page one), and this is now where we are. At the impasse!

From my point of view in what Lenard said, the apparatus is so simple a third grader could build it. Right now I can't release this information, because even though Lenard has breached our signed contract, I have to adhere to my contract with "him" and I cannot circumvent the agreement I made with him.

Even though he has broken all trust and contractual agreements with me, I cannot break the agreement. That would deem this thread useless for in doing so I would be just as dishonest as he has been.

I am giving Lenard and Gridkeeper a couple days to come here and let's see what develops.

Jose Escamilla

Legally, if one party to a contract fails to honor his part - the entire contract is voided. So, legally, I don't think you are bound by this contract. However, if you are holding on to your end of the bargain as a matter of principle - I respect that.

Originally posted by Mclane
Erm..The video of the helicopters might well be real ie real helicopters but it also contains portions of a UFO sighting that has nothing to do with Leonard.

from 1.41ish to the other footage.....Oh dear, it's the same...

Excellent catch McLane That's worth a star and a handshake!!

I posted a comment to that effect at Blip TV lets see what happens... I would also point this out in the thread Gridkeeper hands out in if you haven't already...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



reply to post by ngchunter

There are some amateurs out there who spend their time trying to keep track of classified military satellites, and they've successfully been keeping track of the orbits of every classified spy sat out there except for one named "misty,

DANG IT You go to sleep for a few hours and someone comes in here and drops a bomb... all heck breaks loose



Ummm a linky to these 'amateurs' who track these secret space thingies please? I was going to ask about Misty but seems its already out there... Thanks for throwing this into the mix

Funny though in all our seeking of secret space craft how this was missed... it really does help to have a name though

That's interesting, do you have any links to misty or maybe a source for the talk about it ?

Quick on the uptake... a good team quality

Originally posted by mikesingh
And if I can't capture them using the 10" LX200R, I'll be sending you the bill for compensation!!

If you catch those things in clear photos... you got a deal

[edit on 17-12-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by eaglewingz
Hope that helps

Oh yeah that helps a LOT I just love ATS... you wait long enough and along comes the gold dropped in your lap...

"STS-36 Launches with MISTY 1."

Welcome to ATS Jose

I've spent the last couple of days reading everything about this issue. This is starting to be like a bad Soap Opera. I hope it is not a veiled Ad Campaign

From what I have seen so far this would appear to be a bunch of poorly executed photos of the Space Station and other Satellites and not much more. Where the concept of them being some sort of fleet of large Alien Craft came from I can't see. What about these photo's would even lead to that in the first place. That appears to be a supposition based on an opinion pulled out of thin air and very thin air at that.

Sounds like you have gotten wrapped up in a real messy situation and for now it seems to me you are on the right side of this. Good luck in getting a satisfactory reply from the other side of this coin. I'd think your only option would be to shelve the film and write it off to a lesson learned. I think it was in one of your posts I saw it mentioned Celebrities in this field are a bit like "Rock Stars" to deal with.

Unless you have a Confidentiality Agreement written into your original contract there is no reason you can't post the text is there? If you have covered this forgive these tired old eyes as this was a lot of reading to catch up. The text of the signed contract would clear the air one way or the other I would think. Instead of claiming what the contents are everyone could see for themselves. Again, if it is posted already and I skimmed over it please forgive.

Originally posted by Jose Escamilla
reply to post by internos

 

Thanks for the web site URL, I received these coordinates from someone and never knew where they came from. Thanks for acknowledging the source. Let's keep this link active and this person's findings! I hope these coordinates yield results. I have a line on an optical system that my friend told me Lenard based his apparatus on. I am finding this link and will post it in the morning. I need to go back to bed. I am beat.

Thanks Internos!

Jose Escamilla

I have to get my 10" scope out and start looking at the given location and see what I can come up with.

Thanks!

I'm planning on going out to N.H next week to get in a fair dosage of astronomy. I have high doubts after seeing those coordinates but I'll take out both of my telescopes, filters, eye pieces, and some possible hoax equipment to see if I can't duplicate what we're being shown.

If you have Go-To, I guess now is the time to put it into good use.