Hear Voices? It May Be an Ad

Originally posted by palehorse23
My worst fears lie in the fact that if this form of technology gets into the hands of a powerful person, or even a joe schmoe that wants to try and get people to listen to him, there could be some serious repercutions.

Or it gets into the hands of some kids playing practical jokes. Look what they do with laser pointers trying to blind pilots when they are landing commercial aircraft.

The difference in this technology and other forms of advertisement is that we can't turn it off if we want. Why don't the advertisers put a button on their sign that will play the advert if we want to hear it? Because no-one would press the button. That's why. We don't don't want to hear it.

This kind of technology is called voice to skull (V2K) and it has been doable since the 1970's. Here is the patent number
U.S. patent 6,587,729, issued based on Dr. Joseph Sharp's voice to skull success.

Google voice to skull or Monarch program.
We in the TI (targeted Individuals) community have been complaining about this for decades...we were the target practice for this techno garbage...There are ways to stop this from happening to you but you have to have a strong mind...I have done research into the Monarch program and they did many drug testing on unwitting subjects. One thing that stood out for me was that one of the drugs that was tested was Marijuana and they found that it IMPEDES mind control or voice to skull...If you are into meditation this is also another way to stop these attacks....The perpetrators of this crime have only been successful in doing this to me once and I used the force of my mind to block them....I am an avid mediator.
We in the TI community have been trying to expose the use of Directed Energy Weapons (DEW) and the use of V2K to the world, but many of us who have complained end up in the clutches of mental health and thus are discredited....I am one of the lucky ones who has not been discredited...In addition to TIs experiencing DEW and V2K we are also under constant 24/7 surveillance and their method of harassment is a FBI program that was supposedly stopped in 1971 is called COINTELPRO...Google that as well.
This is very real what is happening globally...In my small Canadian city I have found 7 targeted individuals. I have also appeared on a local radio along with another TI from my city here is the link to this radio broadcast.

www.archive.org...
Look for show #45 on Nov 28
I have been invited to appear on another radio broadcast sometime in the near future. We are ever so slowly getting the word out.
This is important folks because we all could become targets.
Debbie Newhook
Nanaimo BC
Canada

you know what
i hope mother#ing global warming destroys humanity
coz # like this just isnt right

Originally posted by Hal9000

The difference in this technology and other forms of advertisement is that we can't turn it off if we want.

Sure you can. Just keep walking until you're out of the speaker's focus. At the macro level, how is this different than any other audible ad you may come across during the day from sources beyond your control? Especially in a large city environment?

If anything, this tech is less obnoxious than a regular loudspeaker broadcasting all over the place.

As has already been stated, I can't see this catching on much. The novelty of this tech works well when you're hawking a shlocky, "paranormal" teevee program by spooking someone but your typical advertiser wants more bang-for-the-buck than pitching one person at a time. Even if it did catch on, I'm sure it would get regulated like other forms of noise already are. People would get fed-up with this stuff pretty quickly.

And this is not the same as "Minority Report" where the ads are customized to you based on a database of information about you. This tech is just a loudspeaker with a limited audible spread pumping-out the same, impersonal soundtrack over and over and over.

Originally posted by apc
No, not private. Personal.

You may not see it that way but I do. My opinions are worth just as much as yours you know.

Someone whispering in my ear, be it an actual person or a beam of sound energy, is invading MY personal space. PERIOD.

To the people who have no problem with this.

How would you like it if I came to where you are and shouted things in your ear all day long? Would you feel that your privacy is being invaded then?

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My privacy? No. My personal space, sure.

I am subjected to loud obnoxious sounds, such as hip hop/rap, coming from vehicles all the time. So are they, the drivers, invading my privacy?

Oh, I cant roll up my window either. I drive a Jeep Wrangler, top down all summer long. And I doubt that they would roll up their window if I asked.

For them to invade my PRIVACY, they would have to reach into my purse to see what is in there. Or enter my house w/out my permission.


And I don't support this. I find it obnoxious just like all those hip hoppers blasting their obnoxious music w/out my permission.

Has anyone here walked thru Times Square before? How come nobody is complaining about all those adverts forced upon you as you try and walk around. You can not walk thru Times Square w/ your eyes closed. You are forced to be bombarded w/ crap. Or dive down many of the East Coast highways. Again, bombarded with crap on billboards. And you cant just look straight while driving, you have to look around to be aware of your surroundings. So again, I am being forced to look at crap on big billboards.

This is not a privacy issue. It is an obnoxious noise issue.

Originally posted by Griff
How would you like it if I came to where you are and shouted things in your ear all day long? Would you feel that your privacy is being invaded then?

Care to explain how this ad is the same as you coming into my bedroom and shouting into my ear all day long? I just don't see any similarity between these two scenarios at all.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
My privacy? No. My personal space, sure.

pri·va·cy /ˈpraɪvəsi;
Brit. also ˈprɪvəsi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prahy-vuh-see; Brit. also priv-uh-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -cies.
1. the state of being private; retirement or seclusion.
2. the state of being free from intrusion or disturbance in one's private life or affairs: the right to privacy.

dictionary.reference.com...

A sound energy transmitted into my ear is a disturbance into my private thoughts and a loss of privacy. Sorry you don't see it that way. But, the dictionary agrees with ME.


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Ok. How about I just follow behind you and shout into your ear every so often then?

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When I am walking down a public street and I hear noises coming from various places, I do not feel its invading my private life.

Every day we are bombarding with NOISES. Every day. So, should I go around suing every flippn person who turns their radio up too loud? Every single company who advertises all over the place, where Im forced to look at it?

What about the Metro system that yells at me to "mind the gap". Is that invading my privacy too?

What about the stores I go into that are playing obnoxious MUSIC? I just went to the commissary today and they were playing music...should I start complaining about them invading my privacy because I certainly didnt ask for THAT music.

According to your interpretation of the definition....Your privacy life is invaded the minute you step outside your home.....from various sources.


If you start following people down the street yelling in their ear...you might just get your butt kicked. LOL




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Originally posted by IAttackPeople

Originally posted by Hal9000

The difference in this technology and other forms of advertisement is that we can't turn it off if we want.

Sure you can. Just keep walking until you're out of the speaker's focus.

What if you are waiting in line for the bus or a subway? Sometimes you can't just walk away.

At the macro level, how is this different than any other audible ad you may come across during the day from sources beyond your control? Especially in a large city environment?

Just because there are other noises around doesn't make it right. That is like telling your parents "everybody else is doing it". At least that excuse didn't work for me.

If anything, this tech is less obnoxious than a regular loudspeaker broadcasting all over the place.

No because there are no loud speakers because people would complain. This is a way to try to get around that, and I am guessing people are also going to complain about this.

This tech is just a loudspeaker with a limited audible spread pumping-out the same, impersonal soundtrack over and over and over.

That would be something else that would be annoying. You might start hearing it in the middle of an add, and have no idea what is being advertised. People won't wait around till it starts over again, so it won't be very effective.

Legal term for "Invasion of Privacy"

dictionary.law.com...

However, an otherwise non-public individual has a right to privacy from: a) intrusion on one's solitude or into one's private affairs; b) public disclosure of embarrassing private information; c) publicity which puts him/her in a false light to the public; d) appropriation of one's name or picture for personal or commercial advantage.

sol·i·tude (sl-td, -tyd) KEY

NOUN:

The state or quality of being alone or remote from others.
A lonely or secluded place.

right to privacy
n. the possible right to be let alone, in absence of some "reasonable" public interest in a person's activities, like those of celebrities or participants in newsworthy events. Invasion of the right to privacy can be the basis for a lawsuit for damages against the person or entity (such as a magazine or television show) violating the right. However, the right to privacy does not extend to prohibiting someone from taking another person's picture on the street.

dictionary.law.com...||||

I still dont see how annoying audible sounds are an invasion of one's privacy. I would think there would be TONS more lawsuits if a person being subjected to visual or audible advertising was considered an invasion of one's privacy.

We are talking about this happening on PUBLIC places. Not our home.

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I understand what you are saying the point is the perception is as though it sounds like a thought. People dont like it, it does not matter how you split the hair, at your head or in your head, it is something people dont like the idea of, so I am not sure trying to clarify how the transmittal is made matters. It is the perception people have when they hear it, and perception is reality

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The point your making is not the same as ambient noise, the point is it is being direted to you, and people do not like it! period!

Look at the amount of people hear that do not like the idea of it. You are not going to change how they view it.

Originally posted by Griff
Ok. How about I just follow behind you and shout into your ear every so often then?

Is this loudspeaker targeting an individual for harassment, following them around, and shouting in their ear every so often?

No? Try again.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Every day we are bombarding with NOISES. Every day. So, should I go around suing every flippn person who turns their radio up too loud?

There are laws in place (at least here in DC) were you can't play your walkman, i-pod or any other device....hmmm...hmmmm....laptops WITHOUT earphones. I see this as the same kind of thing.

Every single company who advertises all over the place, where Im forced to look at it?

Do they transmit it to your retinas so that you can see a wide screen of it? What happens if you're deaf and need to see?

What happens if a blind person walks into one of these?

Have you people thought of that yet? That's great. Making a blind person minus one more sense. Real intellegent there. Not talking about you leo, I'm talking about the advertisers doing this.

What about the Metro system that yells at me to "mind the gap". Is that invading my privacy too?

Is it trying to sell you the "gap"? Is it directed into YOUR ear and YOUR ear alone?

According to your interpretation of the definition....Your privacy life is invaded the minute you step outside your home.....from various sources.

You might be right that I'm taking the privacy thing a little far. I just have a bad feeling about it that's all.

If you start following people down the street yelling in their ear...you might just get your butt kicked. LOL

Possibly. But, I feel this is no different. Sorry...again I agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Hal9000
and I am guessing people are also going to complain about this.

Damn straight.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
We are talking about this happening on PUBLIC places. Not our home.

Come to DC and ride the metro not using earphones. I bet you'll understand then.

Originally posted by IAttackPeople
Is this loudspeaker targeting an individual for harassment, following them around, and shouting in their ear every so often?

No? Try again.

Not yet. Wait till Times Square becomes as annoying sonically as it is visually. Then come back at me with that argument.

Edit: And yes, I HAVE and DO work in NYC. Sometimes in Times Square. On the tops and sides of buildings, inspecting them.

I DO NOT want a supersonic blaster heating my insides while I'm up there.

Kapeesh?

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