where's the airplane?

No actually the 3 mile claim hasn't. That's the 6 mile claim of debris being found in Indian Lake. Indian Lake is actually 1.5 miles away.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
No actually the 3 mile claim hasn't. That's the 6 mile claim of debris being found in Indian Lake. Indian Lake is actually 1.5 miles away.

Oh well, good deal then.
Carry on.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Oh I don't know, maybe because it didn't hit at a very steep attitude? What kind of plane was it? That also makes a difference. What was the pilot doing at the time of the crash? Trying not to crash, or diving into the mountain? That makes a difference.

They were Descending, the pilot didn't realise there was a mountain in front of them, it was a commercial Jet liner "Not sure what model" & it was still doing its top speed.

Flight 93 simply wasn't going fastr enough to Disitigrate completely the way it's sposed to have. Not even with a Deliberate Nosedive at top speed.
No Bodies, No bodie parts, no DNA at all found "a near impossibility in its self".

No Black Box. Those things are Built specifically to survive even a crach like this!!

Planes just don't disintergrate under those circumstances. Look at the NASA Probe that crashed recently. Much more frail than a Jet liner and that thing hit the ground at around 5 - 6 times faster what flight 93 would have & that thing was still mostly intact.

Sorry dude, it don't add up. As specially with all the other eveidence about 9/11 taken into account.

Now I know I can't prove that this is not Flight 93 but at the same time, can you Prove absolutely that it was?

Face it dude, your president is a common Criminal & your taking in all his crap like a true suckker. YOu Deserve him!!

I hope if Clinton gets in, she Opens a can of Whoopass on him for what he's done to the US & the rest of the world.

[edit on 12/8/2007 by Ironclad]

You're listening to the wrong sources then. There WERE body parts, there was blood, and the black boxes were recovered.

Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks
were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.

Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11.
He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says,
"like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says,
"I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there

Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy:
that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing.
"There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling."It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part.

911review.org...

United Airlines Flight 93's crash into rural Somerset County decimated all human remains so badly that investigators can't say if any of the 44 people aboard were killed before the aircraft went down, the FBI has told the county coroner.

That leaves it up to the jet's cockpit voice recorder to offer support for widely held assumptions that the four hijackers began killing passengers before or during a fight for control of the jetliner. For now, federal investigators holding that recorder, one of two pieces commonly dubbed the black box, are staying mum.

Investigators who recovered remains from the Shanksville-area crash site brought possible stab wounds and lacerations to the attention of FBI pathologists, Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller said yesterday. But the FBI has responded that "the catastrophic nature of the crash and fragmentation" left them unable to draw conclusions, Miller said.

The coroner's assessment came yesterday as he confirmed that the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory has used DNA samples to match recovered remains with the last of 40 crew members and passengers aboard the hijacked jetliner 14 weeks ago when it slammed into a recovered strip mine at around 500 mph.

www.post-gazette.com...

Sickening thuds, moans of pain, despairing pleas for mercy and then a final defiant "Allah is the greatest" resounded through a courtroom yesterday before a long silence as the heart-rending cockpit recording of United Airlines Flight 93 was played in public for the first time.

In the four years since the September 11 attacks, Flight 93 has entered American mythology because of the heroic attempted fight-back against the hijackers by the passengers and crew.

Yesterday, for 31 numbing minutes, the full horror of their ordeal was laid bare, from the last dying screams of one of the staff who pleaded "I don't want to die", to the final battle for control of the cockpit as the plane hurtled into the ground.

www.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2006/04/13/wuaf13.xml

How else do you think they were able to play them for the families if they didn't recover the black boxes?

Originally posted by Ironclad
Yeah, then how come the plane that crashed nose first into a mountainside at 500mph in NZ, was still recognisable?

If you mean the Air New Zealand plane (DC10 I think) that flew into Mt Erebus in Antarctica, it hit a heavily snow-covered slope at a shallow angle and the pilot was trying to pull up at the time. Hardly the same as hitting a solid surface head on but the plane was still reduced to a smear of wreckage in the snow.

The Everglades Valujet is good example of how complete the destruction can be when hitting a solid surface head-on at high speed. The water was only 2-3 feet deep and there was nothing of the plane to be seen.

How else do you think they were able to play them for the families if they didn't recover the black boxes?

Hmm maybe the same way they made a Hollywood movie out of the incident?
It takes four years for them to release this information and you still think its legit?

Where did you get four years from? The families were played the recordings in April 2002. The rest of the public didn't get to see the transcripts until the Moussaoui trial.

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well actually your right it didn't take long for "important" members of some famelies to listen to the tape, BUT they were told that that was hightly classsified and that they may not talk to anyone about what happend in that room. So actually we are believing only in something somebody said, but there is no actuall proof they had actually listened to anything.It could have been maybe a contract just to keep the secret, or maybe there was more thing that happend, maybe something crucial and important happend that the us doesn't want the ppl to know. Four years that tape in my opinion must be so manipulated already that i think it's nothing like the real content. They could have changed so many things and EVEN MADE A NEW ONE!!! With the same voices of the Pilots, crew and everything. The technology excists that with only less than a min of hearing someones voice it can make your voice a replica of it. So yeah so many things could have happend in that area.