religious folk freaking out about the movie the golden compass

they just ran a bit about this on cnn.

what a CROCK...

now, not all religious groups are against it....lemme rewind it and type out what was said by the anchor..

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big budget sci fi fantasy or anti catholic propoganda. that is the debate over the golden compass.

the golden compass shows an alt universe with armored bears and witches...inside the package lies a sinister gift according to SOME sinister critics.

william donahue, president of some catholic league said "this is slipping atheism in kind of a back door way"

the three books end with the death of god. there is no direct mention of god or jesus in the film, the kids are menaced by a shadowy figure called the majisterium.

that donahue dude said it is an attack on the catholic church.....

christian oriented website movieguide.org has issued a warning to parents that it leads kids towards atheism..

focus on the family calls it 'visciously' anti god

the catholic league is calling for an all out ban on the movie. the donahue dude said that parents might slip kids into this a little further by buying them the book trilogy for christmas.
that would introduce kids to atheism....
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what is the deal? can't kids just go see a flick. i mean, every time something like this comes out, there is a call for a boycott.
when the passion of the christ came out, they freaked.
when dogma came out, they freaked
when da vinci code came out they freaked
now they are freaking about the golden compass.

:shk::shk:
friggin makes me want to hurl man....

it's a kids movie. it is meant to entertain.
not everything is an attack on the church.

Hey, the movie previews look like this movie kicks. The Xtians just don't want their kids to get away from the weekly brain washings they get at their cult (sorry, I meant Xtian church).

I don't know if you get bothered by the door to door bible thumpers much but I do. When they start their speech I just interupt them and tell them to leave or I'll put a curse on them since I worship Satan. This will guarantee they get running as fast as they can away from you.

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Note: no I don't really worship Satan just Sandra Bullock.

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it just gets annoying when they freak about everything....cry about this movie. cry about that movie....

it's like only they are allowed to brainwash the kids.

i can't stand the solicitors and i get a lot on the summer. there is a jehova church about 1 mile from here and in the summer you see a caddy pull up and park and 4-6 of em get out and walk door to door in pairs.

i have a no soliciting sign but they come up anyway.

one of the last times they came up to my house, i recorded it with my voice recorder and shotgunned it all over the net.

then, the last time i saw the caddy pull up and i let my dog out on the run and he wouldn't let them near the house.

bwuahahahahahah

they friggin lie too. one of the many times they knocked, i said i don't want to talk and the one lady said that my wife had called them and asked em if they would come talk to me....now i KNOW that didn't happen.

imo, they have zero respect. i have a sign but they knock anyway. they lie about why they are here.

anyway, back to the flick......wonder how many people are gonna cry about this movie

Boon,

We must be on the same wavelength recently! lolol

My thread:

The Golden Compass

~Ducky~

boon: sorry you've had problems with the few witnesses you've met. "they" don't lie. the vast majority are very good people in terms of morals and ethics, and the world would do good to use those standards as a model. they do have beliefs that deviate from conventional christianity, but they are still christian at their core. i was a JW growing up. "witnessing" (going door to door) is how they "spread the word of god" so-to-speak. if you just tell them that you're not interested and ask them never to return, they should respect that. there wasn't this incessant drive to force our beliefs down anyone's throat. maybe a few are a little overzealous, but don't take that as a sample for all of them.

i realize this is off topic, but i get a little defensive when people poke at something that was mostly a positive influence in my younger years. aside from an occasional knock at the door, what have they done to offend or upset you? at least you don't have them telling you what you should and shouldn't be exposed to by trying to get things regulated and banned.

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Originally posted by an0maly33
boon: sorry you've had problems with the few witnesses you've met. "they" don't lie.

^^^^^^^^^^^^yes, 'they' do.(of course not all of them but on that occasion, the ones that were at my door lied right to my face, plain and simple..thats all there is to it. they said my wife asked em to come to talk and it was not true...what would you call that?

the vast majority are very good people in terms of morals and ethics, and the world would do good to use those standards as a model.

^^^^i disagree. i would feel much better about them if they did not lie when they come to my house and quite frankly, when they see the no soliciting sign, just walk away.....

if you just tell them that you're not interested and ask them never to return, they should respect that.

^^^^^^yes i know. but, they didn't respect my wishes. they came to my house 4 times just this summer. i did not have the sign up the first visit so i let it slide.


maybe a few are a little overzealous, but don't take that as a sample for all of them.

^^^^^all i really have to go on i what i have seen and heard with my own eyes and ears. what i have seen is them not respect me in my own home. why should i give them the time of day?


i realize this is off topic, but i get a little defensive when people poke at something that was mostly a positive influence in my younger years.

^^^^^just cause it was a positive influence to you, don't mean it is that way for me.

aside from an occasional knock at the door, what have they done to offend or upset you?

^^^^^thats about it....is that not enough though?
this is my home. i should NOT have to deal with anything like that when i am at my home....
it's called respect. imo, respect for my wishes and my home trumps their having to witness.
thats just th eway it is...

next summer they will be out full force and as soon as i see them, i will be sure to let my dog out. that will stop them from getting to my door.
a simple solution really.

i paid long money for this house and i don't need to be disrespected by the jehovas

Originally posted by Boondock78


the three books end with the death of god. there is no direct mention of god or jesus in the film, the kids are menaced by a shadowy figure called the majisterium

Makes me wonder if they even bother to read the book or watch the film before protesting. After all, it's made quite clear in the books that the so called 'God' is not a god at all, and is in fact a power greedy 'angel'.

And it does a good representation of a permanent system like the spanish Inquisition as well (no, not the Monty Python version ). And of course at the end of the day it's fiction, so I can't see what all the fuss is about.

As for the books, they're good books, read them loads of times. Like a more modern Lord of the Rings.

I haven't been following the story a whole lot, but I have heard about all of the hullabaloo.

I know that "Magesterium" is a Catholic term, although I can't remember what it means. That is probably pissing off the church a bit.

As for Catholics being pissed off about all of those other movies, the church actually really like The Passion. I think it was the Jews that were angry about that because they felt like the movie was blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus.

I do remember seeing people protest outside of the movie theater when the DaVinci Code came out.

I was raised Catholic, and to be honest... I couldn't care less about whatever movie comes out. I actually own a copy of Dogma, which annoyed my family, but hey... the movie's kind of funny.

If you don't like a movie, don't see it. Don't like a book's premise, don't buy it for your kids. Who has time to protest anyway? Not me.

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The Magesterium is defined as one able to teach and interpret the Word of God. These duties are that of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him.

reply to post by Sanity Lost


Thanks for refreshing my memory!

I was going to Google it, but then got distracted.

The religious extremists also freak out over Harry Potter saying it promotes paganism. Does any sane person really listen to these religious freakos anyways?

Maybe the Christian parents should just teach their kids the difference between the entertainment world and the real world and then not worry about it. Kids honestly don't interpret things like that anyways.

I have all three books and have read them all.

I am not sure why Christians are throwing such a fit. The books are allegorical and are not anti-christian or promoting hate of religion.

In the books, there are many universes and in some the souls of the people are on the outside in animal form. Some universes have witches and talking bears. Some are just like ours. The books are very spiritual despite the obvious misconception.

I know that some christians are up in arms because the books have them killing "god" when in actuality, if they bothered to read the books, they would see that the children and those helping them, are out to kill the "Authority" who is an imposter and has atrocities committed in his name.

This is just another case of people looking for something to protest and fight about. If they bothered to read the books, they would see that it is not what they like to think.

VV

This has been discussed here before.

The Golden Compass Thread

~Ducky~

Originally posted by snowflake_obsidian Maybe the Christian parents should just teach their kids the difference between the entertainment world and the real world and then not worry about it.

They do

Kids honestly don't interpret things like that anyways.

They don't..

You gotta remember exactly who it is that gets their face on TV whinging about this stuff..The crazies/militants.

It's the same with most of these Muslim fanatics.They don't reflect what REAL people are saying

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and i was going to go see it just for the armored bears...

hell, i bought the trilogy of books and started reading it just to spite the religious backlash.

I would like to know whats fuling their paranoia.

IT'S JUST A MOVIE!!!

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The thing that is fueling their paranoia is real simple, it is easier to whine and complain about a movie or a book because someone else told you to than it is to read or watch it for yourself and decide whether or not it is appropriate for your children. It doesn't matter whether or not the author,publisher, or movie studio have a hidden agenda or not in producing it, a responsible parent is one who has reviewed the material themselves and discusses the various themes and subject matter within. Far to often parents rely on the mmovies and the Television to raise their children and instill their sense of morality, refusing to accept the mantle of responsibility for themselves. Adding fuel to this are groups such as these who decry a particular films subject matter and themes and start the bash the art campaigns, instead of actually using it as an opportunity to discuss the who what where and why we feel it is wrong within the walls of their own congregations. Which this is the part that kills me, this approach itself hasn't worked ever, it only leads to a controversy and more ticket sales.

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Well I guess the authors plan worked.

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not really, i've actually been meaning to read them for a long time now (waaay back, before highschool, back when i was still a theist)

no author's plan here, just like reading good books
and so far "Northern Lights" (or "The Golden Compass" depending on where you buy it) is spectacular writing.

I haven't read the books, though hubby has a copy of the last of this trilogy in the house somewhere. Does "The Golden Compass" refer to one's inner voice? The voice which tells one right from wrong without the interference of being indoctrinated?

I need to read this series.