Would THEY Tell Us?

reply to post by zysin5


Hello Zysin5,

Thanks for the links - interesting material. I have read much myself of Sitchin's work and also of the Mayan calendar, sunspot cycles and so forth. This might explain why the Earth (and some say the solar system too) is getting warmer.

It's my understanding that the Maya calendar simply states that the 'old age' will end and a 'new age' will begin. I am not sure that it specifically tells us that the present age will end in a cataclysm of some decsription thus ushering in a 'new age'.

Best wishes,

Scott Creighton

reply to post by gwhint

Hello gwhint,

Many thanks for your post.

: gwhint: I think you are putting to much thought in that bunch of rocks, I have lived on and off for the past 20 years and I have visited all of the well known in Egypt and it may surprise you but there are more in Sudan.
The ancient Egyptians were star gazers and they did try to align everything in reference to the heavenly bodies, but there is nothing more than that.

SC: I feel compelled to disagree with you on this. Yes, we know the AEs were star gazers – to a point. But we also know the AEs could not calculate and PROJECT the precessional positions of stars over 13,000 years!! This is what I find so incredible about Giza because this is what we find in the so-called ‘Queens Pyramids’. You can see this here:

www.scottcreighton.co.uk...

What ancient civilisation do you know of that had the ability to do this? In our modern age we can only do this with a computer and sophisticated star-mapping software.

Don’t misunderstand me. I categorically accept that the AEs built the structures at Giza – the C-14 dating of the mortar is very compelling evidence in this regard. However, we are presented then with a paradox – the AE had no such precessional knowledge; certainly none that would allow them to calculate the advanced precessional knowledge that is so plainly on view at Giza. So where did such knowledge come from?

gwhint: What do you think of the theory of Amenhotep the III being actually Moses instead of what you know from word of mouth from the Bible, Torah & Koran, is it possible.

SC: I have heard of this theory but have not read the specifics of it so can’t really comment until I do.

gwhint: could it be true, just think if it were, then all modern man would be of the same one God and there would be no deciples but this one pharoah, whom started the one GOD theory, all of the warring factions all over the world would be killing their own brothers, wow, powerful thought.

SC: It certainly is!

Best wishes

Scott Creighton

reply to post by LDragonFire

Hello LDragonFire,

Nice of you to post – thanks.

LDF: Again a awesome topic many thanks for your contribution to this site.

SC: You’re very welcome. I am enjoying it immensely.

LDF: My opinions on this matter are that no they would not tell us for the same reasons they will not reveal the existence's of ufo's or aliens.

SC: Good point. But think about this for a moment – if ‘they’ know something major is lurking on the horizon that has the potential to decimate the Earth’s animal, plant and, of course, human populations, ‘they’ would have to make contingency plans for such an event. What would such plans be? Are these plans being implemented under the guise of some other programme e.g. the world seed vault being built in the Arctic Circle? And why the Arctic Circle? Are ‘they’ expecting an Earth tilt whereby the Arctic circle will be tumbled into warmer climes? Would we be able to detect such planning being implemented?

LDF: I do believe in the theory's about 2012 and that a great change is coming. It may not be gloom and doom, but I don't think it will be paradise on Earth either, but we don't know whats going to happen. It's almost like there is a puzzle before us and we are attempting to search and put all the pieces together.

SC: I am not pinning my hat to the 2012 date. It might be right but it seems to me that the AEs – through the so-called ‘Queens Pyramids’ at Giza – are indicating the minimum culmination of Orion’s Belt which is c.2,500AD.

LDF: I do think that the Designers of Giza did indeed attempt to warn us of future events, and if the governments know they will never tell.

SC: I believe so too. I think the whole pyramid-building programme was set in motion with the sole purpose of implementing an ancient plan – the ‘Giza Codex’. This is why we see the pyramid form gradually evolving until the AEs had mastered the art (after many mistakes) of building the true pyramid. When this level of technical nuance was achieved they implemented the ancient plan i.e. they built Giza. Soon after Giza was built we see the quality of the pyramid structures quickly deteriorate which is indicative of a ‘mission accomplished’ until eventually the pyramid age came to a complete end. That the AE built the pyramids as the means for the Pharaohs to journey to the Afterlife should be interpreted more as, “understand this codex – the knowledge in the layout of these pyramids – and prepare yourself for the Aftermath”.

Best wishes,

Scott Creighton

reply to post by Sam Cerulean

Hello Sam,

Thanks for posting. Interesting comments but I am not one that believes in time travel so it's difficult for me to comment further. As for controls, NWO and such like - would it surprise me? I'll have to think about that.

Best wishes,

Scott Creighton

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Thanks SC for your ideas as to the pyramids and Im sorry if I sounded so negative but its just out of a bad habit from years of driving past those big rocks and dealing with the traffic, crowds of tourists, buses and locals begging, do you know what I mean.
Yes there has to have been some alien involved to build such a wonder of the world. I am also surprised as to how they were able to foretell star patterns without any kind of number system as we know it, definitely alien contact.
I am a God fearing man and if it is ever proven that Amenhotep III was Moses then alot of religeous authorities would be sent into a tale spin, I'm not sure the world is ready for this, right, thanks for your definite historical data and views, keep on your path and the truth will be revealed, gwhint

reply to post by yahn goodey

Hello Yahn,

Thanks for your post.

YG: interesting theory about disasters past and to come--------------but take an honest look at this world right now

SC: I agree with what you say. The world is in a bad way and getting worse. Question is - can we stop it? Is global warming a phenomenon local only to Earth? Why then are some saying that ALL the planets in our solar system are warming up?

I think the central question of my post is that there may be 'certain individuals' who know what is (really) going on with our planet and have known that this would happen to our planet for a very long time through having access to ancient 'sacred knowledge' that perhaps predicts such 'cataclysmic cycles'.

So - what do 'they' know and if 'they' do know something, would 'they' or should 'they' tell us?

Best wishes,

Scott Creighton

reply to post by Scott Creighton


I find your dates of 10,500 approx a bit later than what many others have suggested, particularly when looking at the "Water lines" theory surrounding the Sphinx. This theory is based on the water weather found in the limestone of the sphinx, which suggests that at one time the Sphinx was surrounded by water. There has not been water on that magnitude in Egypt for the past 12,500 or so years, which has been suggested by many. It also has been shown that going with the Orion alignment of the pyramids, and also the suggestion that at that same time the Sphinx was pointing directly toward the Leo constellation, that this also puts the Giza layout to coincide with the 12,500 years ago mark, or around there.

12,500 years ago is also around the ball park of the last great flood, which may be why the water marks are truly there.

Do I think the US government has prepared? A resounding yes. There has been suspiocion for a number of decades now that there is in fact a vast underground network built in the United States, and with the addition of the seed vault (a modern noah's ark?) that it is plain to see that something is going on and the governments of the world know about it.

Although you must ask yourself this question. If they did know, whould they say anything? Well I would have to say no, because there is not much that can be done to stop "it" if anything. If the US government came out with a White House press confereance stating that in the year x (2012?) that the entire would was going to have a global catastrophe, almost everyone would panic. Markets would crash. People would scramble to get supplies and mass chaos would ensue. Certainly not a good thing to take place (especially in an election year).

I have numerous theories and evidence that shows that some very spectacular events are going to be taking place, and that the governments of the world who are "in the know" certainly cannot stop or control.

I do not have the time now to go into it all in detail, as it could possibly become an entire book.

I will sit back and join the discussion as it becomes fit.


-xmad


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reply to post by xmaddness

Hello Xmad,

Thanks your your post.

Xmad: I find your dates of 10,500 approx a bit later than what many others have suggested, particularly when looking at the "Water lines" theory surrounding the Sphinx.

SC: Just to clarify - the dates I cite are 10,550BC i.e. 12,500BCE and, of course, 2,500AD. These are indicated by the precessional markers of the so-called 'Queens Pyramids'.

Best wishes,

Scott Creighton




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Ah yes, fully an over site on my part, for I am used to refering in years ago, rather than concrete AD/BCE denotations.

Then yes this certainly does fit in with the models I have seen and read. It would certainly seem that these were in fact markers of some sort of event snapshot in time. I must ask though, that if the Giza Pyramids are in fact a giant "clock" that specifies a certain date or time captured in its alignment, would not the Mayan calander also be programmed with this same intention in mind?

The Mayans also built pyramids, although not to the same scale, that were also clocks and calendars. Would it be to large a step to apply the same theory that the pyramids were a marker of an event in time, that also the end of the Mayan calendar also be a marker of another event in time?

Are there any correlations between the Giza "Pyramid date stamp" and the end of the Mayan Calendar, as both civilizations were arguably advanced in mathematics and astronomy? Could they have both come to the same conclusions, or possibly have been part of the same events, or were they perhaps given this information from past civilization survivors? It would seem that if we for the moment allow the Atlantis myth to be true, that some people in that advanced civilization must have been aware that Atlantis was going to be destroyed. Perhaps did some of the "escapees" of Atlantis land in Egypt or Sumeria, and others land in the Americas? Is this perhaps where these civilizations got their advanced ideas?


Some more food for thought.

reply to post by xmaddness

Hey xmaddness, I to feel as though all are connected by whom and your theory of Atlantis would definitely make sense, I drew my thought of the movement of the Pharoahs after the Greek takeover 19th Dynasty.
The time lines for the other countries after the 18th dynasty seemed to follow in short 100 to 200 year time lines running from Greece to Rome, and then to S America 600 years later in the design of the buildings and temples etc, so maybe the blood line of the pharoahs and their master builders split from Egypt because of the Greek take over, and its been proven that a well made Reed Boat can cross the Atlantic at a certain time of the year possibly due to the trade winds pushing from behind and on coarse. They found in the Mayan temple a Dog head Idol which was the same concept as Osirus in Egypt. Remember the 19th dynasty was Cleopatra and her brother and they were of Greek blood.
All this seemed to take place after the 18th dynasty in Upper Egypt, then Greece had massive temples then Rome had Massive temples then S America, I am only speculating, so please dont take me seriously, gwhint

Great thread, with some great points expressed.

Myself... I can't help thinking that this could be the reason for all of the Egyptian and geometrical symbolism in Freemasonry. After all, as Scott's work demonstrates, geometry is absolutely key to all of this. Why else would sacred geometry play such an important role in Freemasonry? I don't believe that Freemasonry equates to the NWO, but I do think that the (higher) Freemasons would be privy to some of the more elite knowledge of mankind's history.

So yes, I do think that an elite percentage of the human race knows more than they care to share with the rest of us, but thankfully, we have a number of intelligent people who are drawing important conclusions independently in order that those of us who seek truth can share in this knowledge.

Scott, could you perhaps elaborate a little on the arctic seed bunker? I've never heard of it. Do you have a link or something?

reply to post by Cythraul

Hello Cythraul,

Many thanks for your post.

Cythraul: After all, as Scott's work demonstrates, geometry is absolutely key to all of this.

SC: The Geo-Astro layout of the structures at Giza clearly indicate the two key dates c.10,500BC and c.2,500AD. This is done visually through the relative placement of the so-called Queens Pyramids but also mathematically within the Giza Precession Wheel. It is possible that the ancients indicate the date 10,500BC as this - according to the latest scientific finds - is when a catastrophic event of unknown origin occurred on Earth. The question is, however, why does the 'Giza Doomsday Clock' also indicate to us the date of 2,500BC? Are the ancient Designers of this 'Doomsday Clock' trying to draw our attention to a catastrophic cycle of some kind?

It is possible that the ancient masons knew much of the true purpose of the design since they did, afterall, design and build it. It is also possible though that much of this ancient wisdom has been lost to the modern order we call 'Freemasons' who may well have been the inheritors of this 'sacred knowledge'. It seems that the geometry of the Great Pyramid is lined inextricably to the angle of the Earth's axial tilt (23.5*). Why should this be?

And it seems that this idea of encoding angles and geodesic co-ordinates into pyramid forms continues even to this day:

Cythraul: Scott, could you perhaps elaborate a little on the arctic seed bunker? I've never heard of it. Do you have a link or something?

SC: Here's a couple of links to get you started:

news.bbc.co.uk...

en.wikipedia.org...

So, question time: why construct this seed vault inside the Arctic circle? If a catastrophe hit the Earth that was so bad that humanity is all but wiped out, who is going to be equipped to venture into the freezing Arctic? Unless, f course, the catastrophe is of such magnitude that the Earth is tilted thereby rotating the Arctic into a warmer latitude that would be accessible?

Makes you wonder who knows what and whether this is a sign of 'those in the know' preparing for the worst!! And what better 'cover story' to use than to tell people the truth - something people find hard to accept in these modern times of ours.

Best wishes,

Scott Creighton

reply to post by Scott Creighton

Thanks for the info Scott. I'm surprised I've never come across it.

As for your question. I have to agree. A shift of axis would explain the seed vault's location rather well. If I were to play 'devil's advocate', I guess I could suggest that the seed vault is being built in the arctic as it is somewhere remote, away from any potential nuclear attacks, away from rising sea levels, intensifying global warming at the equator. Or perhaps it is just that Norway is more green-minded than most nations?

funny-- fingers that cant keep up with our minds ?yes true--my mind cant even keep up with my thoughts and the keyboard sticks--and microsoft? keeps warning me that there is something wrong with this computer and i'm also half blind----its an uphill battle the whole way to be "normal"?

reply to post by Scott Creighton


quote:certain individuals know what is really going on with our planet and have known for a very long time thru having access to secret knowledge.reply:a book i read years ago written by david fasold/the ark of noah,in it he claims that the great pyramid was built by shem's genius and design as a place of interment for the first man adam.he ,david fasold claims to have been involved with researching the remains of noahs ark located on mt cudi (al-judi ,koran sura houd 11:44) 1 of the peaks in the ararat mountains.what he claims to have checked is the decomposed remains of a concrete ship 538 feet long by 138 feet wide which is now caved in upon itself-the origional structure having been egg shaped.it appears that reeds were used as a form and then the concrete was coated over that.the reed impressions are still seen in the broken off slabs of concrete.the great pyramid was once covered in a similar manner with a smooth concrete exterior.apparently the same pi measurements for building the ark were employed in building shems pyramid.as for what the future holds for earth that gets into scripture.since most are not interested in hearing too much of it suffice it to say all indications are weather conditions,droughts,earthquakes and objects in space disturbing the earth and smaller wars leading up to ww3 will happen and the focal point that acts as a catalyst for that will be jerusalem and consequently we will have to be rescued by the Elohiym to prevent us from exterminating ourselves-possibly only 10 percent of humanity will survive our warfare before it is stopped by Those watching us.

reply to post by yahn goodey


Hello Yahn,

YG: the great pyramid was once covered in a similar manner with a smooth concrete exterior

SC: The Great Pyramid was never covered in concrete. There is some evidence to support the theory that the core of the GP was made smooth by finely cut, limestone casing stones. We find the remians of such stones at the top of G2 (Khafre). Apparently these casing stones were shook loose from the GP in an earthquake in medieval times and subsequently used for building in Cairo. There is no real proof of this though.

There is, however, an interesting theory by Joseph Davidovits who has theorised that the upper blocks of the pyramids may have been cast from a limestone aggregate. You can see this here:



Regards,

Scott Creighton

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reply to post by Scott Creighton


thank you for the video of joseph davidovits example of making concrete human engineered rock--as i said about shem (and noah)they also knew the secrets of making rocks out of cement.for the ark apparently the type of cement used to coat the reeds that acted like a fiberglass for the bonding agent to harden on/over was a type of pumice man made cement.probably havent told you this ? but your picture if you and my son stood side by side dressed the same --my wife and i would have a hard time to pick who is our son---my wifes last name is henry with orrall mixed in--beauty comes from her side of the family--i'm ugly.

I would like to know what your thoughts are on the following theory, and since you have the time in to know a lot of facts, if you could shed some light on it and where the theory originated.

The theory that I have heard is that the great pyramid although as we know of the layout and stars etc was not ever intended to be a tomb, but rather an empty tomb. It was created at a homing in point for each of the souls life cycles in that it would always be something to 'key on' in each journey. The emptyness to denote the souls traveling on. A giant symbol to stand the test of time and be a part of every human visit of a soul.

I realize this goes against the book of the dead, and the normally taught concepts so rather than ask other members I was preferring a response from an expert.

reply to post by Scott Creighton


Starred & Flagged, Great post Scott

I do agree with you on basicly every thing you said in that post, but i do not think that our leaders would tell us if such an event was going to happen. If our leaders said that the world was going to end on the 1st of January 2015*, every one would panic, then approching the date we would get people wanting to be remembered by any survives, bombings, cult killings and so on.

What if that infomation was released but nothing happened on the date ? people killing other people at the last minute because, who's going to be patrolling at 'the end'. People who sold every thing to have a great last few years and so on.

I remember hearing a quote a while ago that stuck with me. " would you rather be an happy ignorant pig, or Socrates ?" i know it sounds stupid, but the point is, the pig is stupid and completly unaware, but happy. Socrates knows all the pain that has happened and is going to happen, and is there for sad.

In this case, ill be the pig.

ProTo Fire Fox

[*Just made up the date for an example.]

reply to post by ProTo Fire Fox


Hello Proto - thanks for the post.

Proto Fire Fox: ...the point is, the pig is stupid and completly unaware, but happy. Socrates knows all the pain that has happened and is going to happen, and is there for sad.

SC: So goes the old adage - ignorance is bliss. But let us not forget why we are all here on ATS - to Deny Ignorance.

Kind regards,

Scott Creighton