the great Zeitgeist

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This has got to be the most eye opening conception of how the world's religions are based on a muntiple of Massiahs. Please keep and open mind. The include a variety of people who have extremely similar stories of birth to death. I just so happens that our world if focused on Jesus Christ. He is the most recent. There have been many more long before him.

Horus the sun of Osirus is also to have been born of a vergin, 3 kings came to witness the event. He healed the sick, had 12 deciples, walked on water and the trust me they both have very similar attributes.

Along with christ and horus there are other with the same story. Mithra, Krishna, and the list goes on.

The christians needed to come up with a story for their religon and egypt was the most acurate.

Obviously this documentary is an internet product, but it does have some very convincing points. Everyone needs to keep and open mind of corse. I thought it was quite convincing, and should be discussed of as usual debunked by moderators.

LOOK AT THE PAST HISTORY!

Most Christians are determined to hear only what their book will accept, and not look at the evidence.

To contest ones belief system for the sake of historical fact is the ultimate threat to modern day religions, to them, Zeitgeist will be scoffed as the work of the devil.....how convenient.

We're all doomed by the ignorant Christians. I'm tired of being polite to them. Ignorant Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Krishnas, Raelians, American (or any other country, for that matter) Patriots, money worshippers, sports fanatics, fans of celebrities, racists, even most scientists.... all of them blindly following lies...

All designed to separate us and make us think it's a good idea to war with each other..... Killing in the name of....

It's already been debunked. I'm tired of hearing about it.

reply to post by Jim_Kraken


I like how you "debunk" it all with Christian websites. It gives new meaning to the words "blind faith."

If you are tired of hearing about it, wear ear plugs. The movie has way more validity than your tired old book...

reply to post by Anubis Kanubis


Atheist trolling=old meme. For God's sake, they stated in a grossly wrong fashion that Jesus' birthday was Christmas!!! How can you trust any of it?

reply to post by Jim_Kraken


For the record, I am no Atheist. In fact, I might even claim that my faith is supported by visual, audio, and physical evidence.

They make no claim that it was the actual birth date of Jesus, but that it was celebrated as such. Everyone knows that it was more likely to have been another date. The point they are making is that Christmas is not celebrating the birth of a person...

As for a troll? Well, I might defend this movie while you continue on trying to prove the bible with the bible.

[edit on 12/2/2007 by Anubis Kanubis]

I think it's worth mentioning that Jesus did not author the New Testament - that was the work of the 'clergy'. To blame Jesus for the mistakes made in his name isn't right.

reply to post by Jim_Kraken



Zeitgeist has NOT been debunked to my satisfaction.

Showing one inaccurate claim out of 100 does not make the other 99 invalid. And the point to be taken from the whole video is not a detailed history lesson, but rather a general idea: PEOPLE IN POWER ARE LYING TO YOU.


This video was made by ONE GUY, not a government. Even so, it is FAR MORE accurate than the bible, the 911 commission report, or the claims of constitutionality of the federal reserve.


Someone who calls this video or others like it "debunked" make their decisions on what they believe before they see evidence.


In the voice of Jack Nicholson: "You can't handle the truth!"




Colonel Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force and Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech. Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. Taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.

Quote:

A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…




Sir Josiah Stamp, Former President of the Bank of England said this:

Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. If you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit.



And the bible? I won't try to disprove what is taken on faith. All that can be done is show how similar Christianity's beliefs are to those of older religions that went by different names. Take it or leave it.

reply to post by dionysius9


To accept the whole movie is a logical error. The movie piggybacks onto believable stuff, such as 9/11 conspiracy theories and banking conspiracies (I, for one, believe 9/11 was an inside job and although I do not believe bankers rule the world, it's certainly plausible given how wealthy they are.) Nevertheless, I thought it was odd that someone was criticizing MY sources while failing to critically analyze Zeitgeist sources, which are primarily obscure books which could not find mainstream publishers. And if you're going to scream "COVERUP!" on that, I suggest you see who's publishing Richard Dawkins books. These books did not find mainstream publication because they were controversial, they did not find mainstream publication because they were bad scholarship.

reply to post by Jim_Kraken


Hello Jim. I'm an ex-Christian, and while Zeitgeist wasn't the sole reason for my deconversion away from that religion (and religion in general), it certainly opened my eyes. However, being a person who is familiar with the internet, and the half-truths posing as truth that come with it, I took it with a grain of salt. But, as was mentioned by another response on this thread, the movie makes points which are legitimate and raises questions which, in my opinion, poke some significant holes in Christianity.

The subject of Christmas was mentioned. Why is it that Jesus' birth is celebrated on that day, and yet there is zero proof that that is indeed his birthday? Furthermore, don't you find it a little odd that Christmas also corresponds with the Winter Solstice, a point in the year which has been recognized by religions and civilizations that existed prior to the advent of Christianity? Why would Christianity adopt a day, one that many pagans recognized as very important, for such a significant event in the life of it's savior? The only answer I have ever read to that last question was that it was done in order to make the assimilation of said pagans into this new religion, Christianity, easier. If that is true, then wouldn't that make Christmas, i.e. the birthday of Jesus Christ, nothing but a farce?

What about Easter? Isn't it strange that the other major Christian holiday falls on the time of year also recognized by pagans during the time of Christ, and that even earlier religions and civilizations also viewed this time of year as important? In addition, Easter corresponds with the Spring Equinox.

Doesn't that all seem a little strange to you? Or do you explain it away by believing that God made these significant events for Christianity happen on those particular days on purpose?

Saw this about 5 months ago. Very awesome film.