Demonic Possesion & why its all BS

OK, heres a nice little topic to chew on, Demonic Possesion:

My reasons why i feel it is COMPLETE BS:

Imagine, if you will being as old as the stars (fallen angels), then imagine the wealth of wisdom and intelligence one would have, unimaginable.

Ok, as a human idiot (by angelic standards) i can honestly say i dont get it.

Why would any Uber-Intelligent EVIL entity waste any time at all possessing the bodies of poor, ineffectual third world nobodies? Whats the pay-off? I fail to see the advantage of any of the documented cases involving this phenomena with the persons that were/are afflicted. Why in hell would an immortal creature involve itself with a dead-end task like possessing a child in say, Germany? to what end? and for what purpose? Wouldn't it make more sense for a demon to go stealthy and infiltrate places of power/kill without remorse and continue to live on within its host and cause as much collateral damage as possible? How is it an enitity such as this is, is happy to be relegated to being tied to a bed while shouting Latin curses to a scared priest in the middle of nowhere? seems counter-productive to this human dummy.

Anyone care to explain? Maybe one more knowledgeable than i? Does this seem strange to you, how these possessions essentially do zero for the armies of evil. I dunno any thoughts to share would be great.

One thing I would say here is. Alot of what you are saying depends on the outlook you have on this entire subject. Are demons beings from other dimensions? Perhaps.

One study I have looked at depicts these demons to be humans who are possesed by the devils traits or the deadly sins as it were.Many descriptions of such people reffer to them as being possesed by these sins in that they are completely oriented to fullfilling their needs in regards to such,such as greed gluttony anger and so on.

Going further into this.Some studies suggest that these "sins" definatly are
tools of the fallen star originally an angel fallen from heaven. These tools are to lead us astray from gods path and become part of satans "army"as it were.

When it comes to these exorcisms.The priest who performs the ritual,uses usually certain passages from the bible to disconnect the possesed person with their connection with the sin itself.

Not much here really to help on the subject.This is just one look on the matter,and its not like i even believe this either.

A demon is inhuman, it is not a soul. It wants what it can never have, a human body. It's anger against the Creator drives it to possess a human soul, then it can possess and desecrate the human body (God's property).

Peace

ahhhhhh ok...point taken and absorbed...but why not posses someone, walk into the streets and cut throats at random? exponentially pushing up the human body count and further desecrating the creator....i understand all that, but why not do it in a more "productive" way?

It can't completely possess a body, then run around whacking people out. What it can do though is encourage the soul, through oppression, to make that choice on it's own.

There are laws set down by the Creator that have to be followed.

Peace

Demonic possession is real dude. i've witnessed 2 cases in the last 3 months [i went to the psycho ward because i was manic] one thought he was allah and talked in tongues and the other man tevaras thomas is the son of the devil, thanks to my little touch, dumbass sold his soul for worldly possessions and i called the satan in him out, then offered to buy his soul for 2 cigarettes. so just for the record it ain't all ghost stories. they are here to torment, to do damage to god loving people, because Satan, Lucifer, Devil, whatever you wanna call him HATES that god loved humans so much that he gave them free will and the angels where his servants and servants of man, thats why 1/3rd of the angels fell after a revolt. Satan wanted worship, how does he get it? sends his minions to infect humans make them think they are mentally ill and turn their back on god, as we approach the end of time, you will see more demonic activity and less and less god.

I just want to say one thing. A demon would pocess a human soul because it wants more people to go to hell and if the demon goes into the human's soul it can make it do anything it wants. And a demon can leave a soul anytime it wishes so when the soul is about to die the demon can leave it and go into another one. Sorry for any and all typos that I may of made.

Majority of people are possessed and dont even know it.
After all if you knew it, you really wouldnt be possessed would you.

Your possessed by that which we can call the thinker - the ego - the false self -
The identity you and I wrap around ourselves and take to be who we are...believing in ever thought, etc.

My truth is right, you are wrong, etc. We our possessed as a society and dont even get it.

Peace

dAlen

p.s. - Eckhart Tolles a new earth (past chapter one...) will give you some good insight into this. He even has a story that really lines up with some terms and stories of possession in the Bible. Quite intriguing and something that has some meat or substance to it...

I'm not convinced we need to involve religion as a 'cause'.

There are some ghastly creatures around. They're foul when they're 'alive' and it's reasonable to suspect some remain foul after the death of their physical body.

Lacking a physical body after 'death', but still consumed with the lust to harm and frighten others (and having all eternity in which to do it, for all we know) it's possible they take whatever opportunities are presented to them. Maybe all they need is someone who's vulnerable.

Not all exorcisms are successful, whether conducted by lay persons or 'qualified' members of the clergy.

As an aside, I've been advised that in order for a 'possessed' individual to be identified as such, requires for both the possessed individual and the witness to be mediumistic.

I'm going to speak quite matter-of-factly. This is my current interpretation of the situation. My viewpoint will change as I evolve, but the following is my understanding, completely devoid of evidence of any kind.

In the Spirit World, there is evil. Everything is interconnected. Within each of us, lies the Darkness, which is a collective idea of lack and seperation from our True Nature.

People who commit crimes, especially the most serious are spiritually lacking balance. This may exist at a mental level, or an emotional level. In any event, they are out of harmony with their purpose. When we are out of balance, we become vulnerable to manipulation by dark entities. Some of these entities may be deceased humans, some may be thought forms, there are simply too many possibilities to name. But needless to say, these dark entities have aligned themselves so much with the concept of lack and seperation that they become possessed by the darkness, and feed from it, or so they believe.

When a person is vulnerable to influence, dark entities frequently 'whisper in their ear" or effect their emotional urges to get them to act or think one way or another. In doing so, they gain power over that person, and drain away their control over themselves.

Take the typical killer. Someone feels they lack excitement or a certain sensation, they respond to emotional urges in the form of dark entities, and they take lives. When this person dies, the dark entities don't leave him alone, oh no! They cling to their captive. They try and assure he is unbalanced in his next life as well, so that they may continue to manipulate him. They may try to place him in an abusive family, take loved ones away, or in any other way, scar or wound this person into being vulnerable to their influence, and the cycle begins again.

People in power are especially vulnerable, dark entities flock en masse around these people, because through them, they not only gain the ability to manipulate a person, but a large group of people. For example, Hitler, went on to negatively effect the lives of millions, killing so many people. This horror, this fear, and pain, this dominance over the populace went back to feed his masters. At Hitler's death, if he was reborn yet, he was likely inserted into a pretty terrible situation. But when he died, he fell out of power, and lost favor with his masters who already found new, more useful puppets. However, they still maintain control over this individual.

In this way, he would be possessed.

Now, within each of us, there is a little voice, constantly badmouthing us, saying we're weak, unattractive, etc. This the Darkness speaking. the collective idea that infests the spiritual world, it is leading us to further manipulation. Every thought, and action either takes us deeper in it's clutches, and closer to our True Nature.

Now, if it would serve their purposes, it would not be unreasonable to imagine a classic "possession" case with someone who is fairly disturbed or unbalanced, or vulnerable. These people are often children, or people who have gone through a crisis. If it may serve their purposes, they may have someone act out, in order to gather attention away from another individual, or in order to test their influence.

In a sense, we are all being pushed and swayed by the darkness. But we must be ever careful so that we do not move in their direction. It is our responsibility to either move further into control, or from it.

If we become especially vulnerable, they may try to take control of us totally. You likely know people who went through a rough situation and were never the same again.

This is what you would call possession. At least, by my definition.

i always thought that there were two types of demonic possession, the classic "exorcist" madman style, to give a false impression of demonic possession and serve as a distraction, and the discreet/subtle demonic possession, the ones that while would slip by a pitchfork mob unnoticed because they were expecting the mad ones. then again not all evil is demonic.

I have seen it my self, no it's not bull and people should wake up from the Satanic delusion they are in because that is the most powerful lie to say it never exists. I feel sorry for those who do not believe in a very big way.

If you have never known Christ best if you pray because faith is needed as times will get more hard to see the truth when choas is brought onto man kind.

I can see why *demons* or whatever would be satisfied with a low functioning person who may not necessarily effect many people with few actions like someone in politics or the like.

But..........All the *bottom feeders* who prey on others and do vile acts to innocents like children and people who don't have it coming to them do tend to perpetuate the fear and destruction of our society. One individual at a time. Never underestimate the stealth viruses.

It definitely effects politics, but do believe that the scale of it could be bigger than just demons as they are known to lack senses like we do, maybe greater powers than that are of the fallen Angels trying to breed with man kind as such. Test the spirits says the Bible, if they are not from God they would deny his name.

Originally posted by toraylin
One thing I would say here is. Alot of what you are saying depends on the outlook you have on this entire subject. Are demons beings from other dimensions? Perhaps.

One study I have looked at depicts these demons to be humans who are possesed by the devils traits or the deadly sins as it were.Many descriptions of such people reffer to them as being possesed by these sins in that they are completely oriented to fullfilling their needs in regards to such,such as greed gluttony anger and so on.

Going further into this.Some studies suggest that these "sins" definatly are
tools of the fallen star originally an angel fallen from heaven. These tools are to lead us astray from gods path and become part of satans "army"as it were.

When it comes to these exorcisms.The priest who performs the ritual,uses usually certain passages from the bible to disconnect the possesed person with their connection with the sin itself.

Not much here really to help on the subject.This is just one look on the matter,and its not like i even believe this either.

Actually they use a ceremony from the roman rituals book.
It is ushaly done with 4 people who are all blessed and have unwavering faith. possession is real the reason behind possession is unknown perhaps for the same reason the op stats is all bs (we are simple minded compared to angels).
A well known case of it was At Cambrai, France, in 1491 a group of nuns exhibited fits, yelped like dogs and had wild orgy's.
The priests that tryed to exersise it also were possessed.

The bible itself presented cases of possession, the example where the wild man was running around the cemetery and jesus demanded to know its name, they replayed we are legion and we are many they then begged jesus not to send them to the nether (a hell for demons) so he banished them to pigs the pigs then went crazy and jumped off a cliff.

How I see possession is that there are ghosts who try to influence a living person while (s)he is doing what that person came here to do. The "original plan" goal or mission that a person has stored in his or her DNA.

There is no such thing as a "complete" takeover or a permanent kind of possesion. That is an idea introduced some time by a very evil entity that probably succeeded into making a living person believe that he has been taken over so that the evil entity may do as he wish int the living world from the beyond. In reality that person was influenced and became very much like that evil entity but not the entity itself. In such cases of prolonged influence, even DNA may alter into cancer or other diseases may occur. Other entities from beyond still use that idea to try and make the living do as they want. Many times it is an unconsciouss process.

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Hi there blueyedevil666, to put it bluntly I disagree with you 100% the reason being of course I actually had an exorcism at the age of 15.

Coming from a religious back ground I had grown up with religion all around me. I knew what possions and demons were but still didn't really give it much credit being a teenage kid. Untill one day it just happened. Me and my cousin were getting prayer from our parents just because they thought we needed it and to be honest I felt I needed it aswell.

So it was all over prayer finished and just before we left my mum said we should pray for one more thing being to get rid of any Maori curses on the family (Maoris are the natives of New Zealand) because I'm part Maori. Here we go I thought more hocus pocus crap but yeah it was real alright. I can see why people would say otherwise and to be honest I was scepticle as hell before it happened to me. Please feel free to ask any questions of me. I don't know the rules of possesion and can't speak for the demon but I know what happened to me that day so if you're interested fire away.

cheers

Originally posted by ka0s69
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Hi there blueyedevil666, to put it bluntly I disagree with you 100% the reason being of course I actually had an exorcism at the age of 15.

Coming from a religious back ground I had grown up with religion all around me. I knew what possions and demons were but still didn't really give it much credit being a teenage kid. Untill one day it just happened. Me and my cousin were getting prayer from our parents just because they thought we needed it and to be honest I felt I needed it aswell.

So it was all over prayer finished and just before we left my mum said we should pray for one more thing being to get rid of any Maori curses on the family (Maoris are the natives of New Zealand) because I'm part Maori. Here we go I thought more hocus pocus crap but yeah it was real alright. I can see why people would say otherwise and to be honest I was scepticle as hell before it happened to me. Please feel free to ask any questions of me. I don't know the rules of possesion and can't speak for the demon but I know what happened to me that day so if you're interested fire away.

cheers

Thanks for sharing your experience, my grandmother goes to a russian church here in Australia and the priest there i know well he had shared a experience that happened recently of a exorcism to a young man in his 20s.
As my grandmother recounted the story to me (she is part of the church as i am not) she told me that the young man had lost all his memory since the time of possession and could not recount the events of his life during the time he was possessed.

My question is did you experience memory loss when you were exercised and how many priests exercised the demon out off you.

Hey Syress interesting story. I've just moved here to Australia and am living in the Gold Coast. I didn't suffer from memory loss at all though. I distinctly remember the exorcism and the thing was there was no priest needed at all. Contrary to what many believe and what the church will tell you a priest is not necessary at all. Basically my father had prayer when he was younger for the same thing for all Maori Utus (utu means curse in maori) to be lifted. Shortly after that he said he had a dream and a Maori spirit came to him and said it would haunt his family. Which is why my mother brought it up in the first place.

All I could do was think about going home and was over this whole prayer thing untill my eyes suddenly slammed shut. I couldn't open them no matter how hard I tried and all of a sudden I started choking. I could't speak or breath and then my back started to heat up. It felt as though it was on fire. At the time I felt I was outside my body fighting to get back in. My mum and aunty could do nothing but keep praying and were in as much shock as I was I think. I didn't know what to think but it really felt as though I was fighting for my life and controll over my body. Time seemed non existent. But after a few minutes it passed. I could open my eyes and was shaking and cryining.

Now I'm ashamed to say since then I am still not a very good christian and have tried weed a bit of speed and drink quite alot. But I can gaurantee you no drug I've ever had or ever would try could feel as amazing as I did after I was released from that spirit. I had pins and needles of ecstacy all over my body and it felt like I was floating on air for the rest of the day. My whole face looked completely different in the mirror. My family remarked and said they could see that I was a completely different person.

So to some it up yeah I believe in Exorcism and the existence of demons and evil spirits. I can't say what they want but all I know is that if you let them they can live within you and cause pain and anguish and will do what they can do help satan destroy you.

But they havn't yet! Cheers JC

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A modern-day interpretation of demonic posession is called...

entity-posession. In this scenario, discarnate entities are said to attach themselves to hosts in parasitical manners and suck life energy of them. it is said that they are attracted to individuals holding low thoughtforms and lifestyles. Some are possesed to a point that they no longer excercise control over their speech patterns and movements.

Getting rid of them would involve a radical change of lifestyle, enviroment and thought-patterns.

I dont know how true this is or not. I only wanted to point out that there are definitions for it beyond a strictly religious context.