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Originally posted by bigbert81
Where do people here on ATS stand in this matter?
Originally posted by bigbert81
It was also pretty dang annoying that, at least on the channel I was watching it on, almost everytime Obama was speaking, they would cut to commercial, literally mid sentence.
Huh, what the heck?
Originally posted by dionysius9
It's not a choice of one vs. the other.
If human rights aren't violated, security follows.
And make sure you don't exclude some humans while including others, because that would make you a hypocrite.
Originally posted by bigbert81
Our rights ARE being violated BECAUSE of security.
Originally posted by bigbert81
Our rights ARE being violated BECAUSE of security.
I disagree. Our rights are being violated because of a quest for power and control. Security is only the excuse. Tyrants provide their own excuses.
Originally posted by dionysius9
It's not a choice of one vs. the other.
If human rights aren't violated, security follows.
And make sure you don't exclude some humans while including others, because that would make you a hypocrite.