Military Airspace opened? What's the real reason?

Recently this past week it's been broadcast on CNN that the Bush administration admits to opening up military air space to relieve the high traffic of flights for the holidays.
Why would they broadcast this so Al Qaeda can take advantage of the opportunity? or so they can plan another attack against it's own people therefore, blaming Iran to go to war again before "W" leaves office?
I wouldn't be surprised if there is another attack before he leaves.


[edit on 20-11-2007 by ajm]

I too found this troubling ajm. I would like to believe it's on the up and up. But knowing this administration......

When I first heard this a while back I wondered the same thing. I can't shake the feeling that's somethings going to happen. In fact I sent this to George Noory on the 17th.

George, you often tell people to document their predictions. This was
the best way I could think of to document mine but I hope I'm wrong.

Recently I heard on the news, then you announced that the Military may
open up airspace to holiday air traffic. When I heard this, I got a
feeling that I couldn't shake. I experienced something like it when I
read an article about the Columbia returning and a the article telling us
to get our cameras ready. I remember thinking that it was strange
that they'd mention this.

I have that same feeling and I'm afraid that something is going to
happen to one of those airliners should the space be opened. I believe
they'll put the spin on it that it was a tragic accident when the aircraft
strayed off flightpath or something. I feel it will be the result of
some form of new weapon testing. I hope I'm wrong.

Originally posted by ajm
Recently this past week it's been broadcast on CNN that the Bush administration admits to opening up military air space to relieve the high traffic of flights for the holidays.
Why would they broadcast this so Al Qaeda can take advantage of the opportunity? or so they can plan another attack against it's own people therefore, blaming Iran to go to war again before "W" leaves office?
I wouldn't be surprised if there is another attack before he leaves.


[edit on 20-11-2007 by ajm]

First of all Al Qaeda is not some ticked off rogue organization of muslims trying to get even with the so called infidel which is us and western culture in general.

Opening military airspace makes it even more possible to blend a civilian and military exercise as we saw on 911.

Al Qaeda is merely agents working for the big intelligence agencies that just so happen to be muslim.

They need a good excuse to extend the invasion in the middle east (Iran, Syria etc) and this might be just what the doctor ordered to effectively continue their agenda.

The good news: If you can actually swallow this and come to the realization that this is indeed the case you will never really be tricked again on a deep level as you once were in this paticular area called "the war on terrorism"

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[edit on 20-11-2007 by fastwalker23]

The presidnt and many white house staff will be flying during the holiday seaon. Pres. Bush has two daughters and family that he loves as much as most of us love ours. I do not believe he wants his family or close friends to die Thanksgiving holiday.

I would imagine it will be one of the safest days of the year to travel. He had to anounce the opening of the airways because if he had not done so and something happened he would be in even worse political light. IMO there will be more military eyes in the sky than normal.

If you've tried to fly on a holiday in the past several years you know it's a nightmare.

So, dream about that turkey, buy your ticket, and fly to grandma's house and enjoy.

Happy Thanksgiving,
Marilyn

I really do hope all goes well with air travel and the PTB are not as involved in evil as speculation seems to dictate.

The problems with the Dallas - Fort Worth air traffic radio systems,etc. on Monday sure made me wonder. I haven't found that much in detail but I wondered if some changes in the software were made that could be used for the another attack but yielded unintended problems in another area. Possibly the whole extent of the interaction of the software could not be tested before hand. It this is the case, may be the world got a reprieve this week.

Please post the source. I am very interested. As a pilot, person with ATC experience, and broad knowledge of aviation and the airspace system...

This makes no sense. Opening up MOAs (Military Operating Areas) and Restricted type airspaces would do nothing to relieve congestion.

The sky is infinitely open. The congestion occurs on runways, airports, and gates!
Opening up new airspace will not change the congestion at these points.

There must be an ulterior motive.

It will add unusual routing and information to ATC and pilots forcing them to change routine, which may cause more problems than it would fix.

I'm guessing that with the high accuracy level of GPS that these Airways will remain open.

Part of the talk about going to GPS a few years back was that it would allow more aircraft into a congested area upping traffic flow etc. and improving safety vis a vis aircraft flying closer together.

I haven't flown - as a pilot - for a while, but didn't they shut down the glide path approach systems and go to GPS approaches entirely?

I know the FAA ran some GPS approach tests a few years back and were happy with the results.

Here’s one article on it. I wasn’t aware that the airways being opened were on the East Coast until I read it. Does anyone have any knowledge on where the restricted airways are on the east coast?

And I agree with AllSeeingI, it seems to me that open skies aren’t the problem, it’s the terminal space, crowded runways, etc. If the government wanted to really ease crowding, they would have opened airbases to the public. Like Eglin AFB does for the local airport there.

www.reuters.com...

…The Federal Aviation Administration and the Defense Department will open coastal air space from Florida to Maine over the busiest five days of Thanksgiving holiday travel, next Wednesday through Sunday.
The step gives air traffic controllers an automatic option for routing flights, most likely in case of bad weather. Usually, the Federal Aviation Administration must negotiate clearance with the military to use its air space on a case-by-case basis…

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
Please post the source. I am very interested. As a pilot, person with ATC experience, and broad knowledge of aviation and the airspace system...

Bush Frees Up Military Airspace For Thanksgiving

President Bush yesterday announced measures intended to curb airline delays during the Thanksgiving travel frenzy, including freeing up military airspace for commercial use.

How will this opening of additional airways help to curb delays? You still have to land them and get 'em in the air. Measures taken on the ground would seem a far more likely means by which to reduce delays, in my opinion.

 

Wow! Very scary thought. I never thought about that, but it does make you wonder...

Has this ever been done before in history, and if so, did it work?

Hopefully our concerns are for nothing and it will help some of the congestion...OR it will just cause confusion because it's never been done before and there will be even MORE delays

I have to say this goes well with my thread on 9/11 conspiracies , 9/11-Did our own government let it happen. I believe that this will also be like 9/11, that our government is going to use it so that they can have a reason to go to war. They orchestrated 9/11 so that they could go to war, even Bush went around the UN so he could go to war. The same will happen with this. Something will happen, or so our government hopes.

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one that thought it was odd that they are announcing to the public about opening military airspace.

Now I have never flown before but I am curious if anyone might know why did they only open the military airspace on the east coast? Doesn't holiday travel take people west also??

do you remember that talk of air travel in terms of airtraffic is not as safe as publicly perceived,and how nasa were supressing this?.

maybe this is just away to make more airspace available for overloaded skies.

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
Please post the source. I am very interested. As a pilot, person with ATC experience, and broad knowledge of aviation and the airspace system...
This makes no sense. Opening up MOAs (Military Operating Areas) and Restricted type airspaces would do nothing to relieve congestion.

Not to be rude but apparently you need more experience because it makes perfect sense.

The sky is infinitely open.

Yes, BUT there are designated flight routes for the airlines. You know, like highways in the sky. You should know this. Commercial airliners cannot fly whatever route they desire. There are predetermined routes.

The congestion occurs on runways, airports, and gates!

Yes, congestion occurs on runways but why? Because of the designated routes stated above, planes must wait to takeoff until there is enough distance between planes. Since airlines have more flights during the holidays there are more planes having to fly the same route. Hence opening up additional highways in the sky will alleviate some congestion.

Opening up new airspace will not change the congestion at these points.

As stated above, it will alleviate congestion. I think you know this since you said you have experience in aviation. So are you intentionally being misleading because you just cannot give Bush credit for anything?

There must be an ulterior motive.

Sorry, but there is no ulterior motive.

Local TV reports - Las Vegas and Phoenix - are saying that things are running smoothly.

A nice thing for holiday travelers methinks....

Told you nothing was going to happen.
Come on, who was correct. Admit it to me and the others who said nothing would happen.
I'm just being facetious but did you really think something was going to happen because Bush opened up some military airspace?

Originally posted by ajm
Recently this past week it's been broadcast on CNN that the Bush administration admits to opening up military air space to relieve the high traffic of flights for the holidays.
Why would they broadcast this so Al Qaeda can take advantage of the opportunity? or so they can plan another attack against it's own people therefore, blaming Iran to go to war again before "W" leaves office?
I wouldn't be surprised if there is another attack before he leaves.


[edit on 20-11-2007 by ajm]

First of all, you need to put this information in context. Military airspace isn't necessarily controlled airspace areas(i.e. restricted zones around certain sites). If the military needed to intercept an aircraft, this wouldn't hinder them. Secondly, terrorist attacks of a grand scale require months, if not longer of planning. The likelihood of a terrorist group being able to take advantage of this short notice information is negligible(again, the airspace isn't around sensitive sites).

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
How will this opening of additional airways help to curb delays? You still have to land them and get 'em in the air. Measures taken on the ground would seem a far more likely means by which to reduce delays, in my opinion.

The big concern was a storm system moving towards the East Coast this week/weekend. By opening these areas off the East Coast, it would have let them divert around the storms, instead of being stuck on the ground. It also lets them open up the airspace around NYC a little more. The chances are that this will turn out to be nothing more than a PR ploy, but IF the storms were to move in, they would have a way to keep the planes flying.

We will probably not know the real reason for a while. My stepfather is a retire airline captain and he thinks it is very odd.

Something is up. A movement or something. Giving the lack of info from our gov, we may never know the truth.