Russian's next generation of fighter jet

recent photos showed a model of russian's possible next generation of fighter jet











guess the F15 vs Su27 story is taking on a brand new level
lol

[edit on 11/19/2007 by warset]

looks just like the Joint Strike Fighter to me:

reply to post by warset


from the looks of it they have tried to copy the airframe of the f/a 22 and the f35 jsf. The russians do have advanced thrust vectoring tech. as seen in the sukoi's. But making it look like a JSF doesn't mean it preforms like the JSF.

So, what are they going to call it? The Raptorsky?

Introduce you to the all new redesigned 5th generation of Russian fighter jets - the all new Russian F-22 Raptorsky

Those wind tunnel models are from a few years ago.

With the sting attached the way it is, they are no doubt evaluating a forebody configuration similar to the F-22.



Doesn't mean they will go with it, doesn't mean they won't. Its a possible PAK-FA config.

any idea if its a vtol like the jsf? i wonder how many patents they've violated?

=o)

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If anything, they hold the patents on VTOL tech...

But yeah, simply looks like a wind-tunnel model. I don't think the production would look anything like that. It may, or may not, most likely may not. There's still a lot that can change and the mission can definitely change from now till then so the design may very well change.

Shattered OUT...

Considering that the F-35 owes quite a bit to the Yak-141 (even according to it's creators), it's more a case of the circle closing IMHO.

However it's interesting that the Russians seem to be moving more towards the US approach rather than the European.

I wonder why the Russian even bother these days. They havent made a decent aircraft since the Mig-29 came out during the cold war. They have lost the edge. Their planes are crude, cheap and unreliable as has been attested to in every major conflict.

This is just another attempt for them to claim the impossible and quit midway with a lack of funding and allowing themselves to be open for ridicule as pompous and conceited. They have still to catch up with the level of competency and the scope of western air craft like the JSF before they can claim anything to be "fifth generation". I'm sure the end result would be something akin to a poor knockoff of the real thing. When was the last time the Russian aerospace industry actually came up with some idea really revolutionary that gave them any kind of edge ? Not since the cold war.

Originally posted by planetfall
any idea if its a vtol like the jsf? i wonder how many patents they've violated?

=o)

I dont think patents come into the picture. If they did we could sue China for ever dime and nickle they've got!

Military projects generally are no holes barred kind of projects where you can put anything in them even mass produce exact duplicates of your competitors genius. Thats why secrecy is paramount in these senarious. I bet the chinese will come out with something that looks far more like the F-22 than any Russian design will soon and call it the J-22 or some such.

Just take a look at their Z-10 attack helicopter and tell me if it doesnt resemble an Apache. The Russians on the other hand have had numerous opportunities to "duplicate" but they have a sense of pride that prevents them from "replicating", while the Chinese defense industry is a glorified version of Xerox.

No... the WZ-10 looks nothing like the Apache, resembles more the Lynx gunship.

Most gunships are going to look the similar because they're fulfilling a very similar requirement. Many Western and Eastern aircraft show this, I mean a lot of aircraft look a like not because they're blatant copies or "borrowed" ideas, but because there's so few ways to accomplish a certain amount of parameters so designs come out looking similar.

I mean a needle noise aircraft is going to go faster than a brick. So if speed is a parameter, you bet both competing aircraft will look similar by physics and design naturally.

Shattered OUT...

What?? The Z-10 looks like the Lynx ?
Even a blind man would be able to tell that they are no where similar.
A Chinese Z-10 looks like this:
An Ah-64 looks like this:

And a Lynx (which looks nothing like either of the two) looks like:


The other argument about how all air-craft fullfill the same role and would look similar. Thats a load of bull. The Mi-24 and the Ah-64 pretty much were for the same role they look completely different. The F-15 doesnt look anything like the Mig-29. The same role has nothing to do with design specifications. Every military operates differently and has different needs. The US military is extremely network centric while other militaries could be waging wars of attrition or scale etc.

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I don't mean to be overly "conspiratorial" or anything, but I think this may be further evidence of one-world government. The similarity to U.S. technology has already been noted. This is not the first time that the same technology seems to have sprouted independently, but come on, identical now? I bet that dude in the picture works for Lockheed, or whatever company. (Sorry, I'm not up on my air-tech like I used to be, but I think you see my point.)

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no the WZ-10 does not look like apache

here's a clear photo of wz-10


here's apache


here's a Euro Tiger


[edit on 11/19/2007 by warset]

Regrettably I was thinking of the European Tiger, not the Lynx, that's my fault.

And the Z-10 looks NOTHING like the AH-64, I just looked both up, both look VERY different.

I'm pretty sure I can go through a list of similarities between ALL those gunships, but I'm going to save my breath because obviously a cloud of arrogance has settled over this thread... already.

Keep believing what you want about the world.

Shattered OUT...

reply to post by IAF101


no the original F15 layout is basically copied from Mig25/31


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one interesting thing about this russian jet is its thruster section, and the air intake section looks different as well

also i wonder where is the internal bay.. there seemed to be no room for that

[edit on 11/19/2007 by warset]

Actually it does look a lot like the Ah-64, so does the Euro Tigre. But the Z-10 looks pretty similar. Actually even more similar to the Z-10 is the Ah-1 Cobra, except its a two seater.

Also the picture you tried to link doesnt work but I did visit Sinodefense and saw the picutres they had. They all look like Ah-64. Same seating style, same pylons. etc

Originally posted by warset
reply to post by IAF101

 

no the original F15 layout is basically copied from Mig25/31

Thats a load of crap. They look nothing alike. They dont even fulfill similar roles.

The part about it being similar to the Mig-31 is absolutely ridiculous because the Mig-31 came into being after the F-15 came out.

Originally posted by IAF101

Originally posted by warset
reply to post by IAF101

 

no the original F15 layout is basically copied from Mig25/31

Thats a load of crap. They look nothing alike. They dont even fulfill similar roles.

The part about it being similar to the Mig-31 is absolutely ridiculous because the Mig-31 came into being after the F-15 came out.

no

thats what the US claimed themselves that the original F15 fram is based on the russian mig25 layout; eventhough mig25 is really a piece of crap, but back then it was so hypened and it scared the crap outa the USAF (cuz they had no idea wut mig25 was made for), so they decided to make a similar aircraft themself, and thus the F15 is born
but little did they know that mig25 was actually an intercepter, not an air superior fighter... and so F15 turned out to be an air superior fighter instead
mig31 is just a upgraded/redesigned mig25


and wz10 looks like AH-1? wz10 had 5 blades and AH1 has 2 blades..

if u say those are alike, then basically i can argue that Comanche in fact a combination of WZ10's body and WZ9's tail.. agree? or M16 looks like Ak47.. Mercedes looks like BMW..
ROFL

but no chinese helicopter industry had never worked with the US before; they used to work with Europe before the weapon ban, so it wont be a suprise that some of their helicopters are similar to european designs.

wz10 looks most similar to the Italian Agusta A129 Mangusta, but there are still quite some differences

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