Christians undermining core American values

I was listening to NPR the other morning and I tuned in just in time to hear a group of Christians complaining about Mitt Romney because he's a Mormon. To paraphrase some of the things I heard;"The bible says that after it there are no other books that can be the word of God. Romney believes the book of Mormon, so I wont vote for him.", "Mormons are a cult, they don't agree with other Christians so I'm not voting for him", and a hand full of other discriminatory statements.

Now I'm not trying to stand up for Mitt Romney, I'm a die-hard Ron Paul supporter, but what the hell does a mans religious beliefs have to do with his ability to run a country. This is out and out discrimination. IMO this is just as bad as discriminating against the opposite sex, different races, and different sexual orientation. It's just ridiculous!

When a religion is used as a political tool or a means of political discrimination it undermines one of the original reasons our country was founded, FREEDOM of religion.

This whole situation just strengthens my disgust for organized religion and proves to me how idiotic the majority of my fellow American truly are.

this is why i miss NPR here in malta, they always highlight key things that other news outlets either avoid or take part in...

something specific was hearing al sharpton debate christopher hitchens saying "those that really believe in god will defeat him (romney"

so contrary to the constitution...

I don't like Romney. He's creepy, he's unintelligent, and is just all around like a Tim Burton version of a Norman Rockwell painting.

But I don't blame you - launching crap at him for being a Mormon is retarded. I make no bones about my own dislike for Christians and, yes, Mormons in particular - you try being the prime target for every missionary to pass through a town, see how much you like 'em. But in no case would I stand up and proclaim their religion as a reason they should not hold office, nor would I condone it.

Unfortunately, we've got a pretty gross cycle here. The nutball Christian block gets people elected. The people who get elected reward the nutball Christian block. So the nutball Christian block is encouraged and makes further demands.

I don't think there should be a religious test for those running for office. But at times I wouldn't mind one for the people doing the voting.

This is what Christians do. There shouldn't be any surprise.

Don't make the mistake of thinking Romney is unintelligent. At the very least he makes Bush look like a turnip. Although on second thought that probably isn't too difficult.

He's just too slick. Can't be trusted. If he gets the nomination, the Christian Right will either put forth their own candidate or sit out the vote. Either way, there will be nothing to stop Hillary.

Personally I'd like to have a moron for President. Simply abiding by the Constitution really shouldn't take a lot of brains. Finding ways to undermine it does.

reply to post by Icon_xof


This isn't all Christians, or even a lot of Christians, or just Christians. Roseanne Barr claimed the other day that Mormons sacrifice chickens. Everyone can be bigoted. I think the criticism here is too narrow in scope.

Far right "Christians" are the greatest threat to American democracy that exists today.

I think in time the christians will end up just like the muslims. Blowing each other up just because some one worships the same god a different way.

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yeah, they'll be RE-entering that phase soon enough. especially when you see how protastants view catholicism.. and vice versa
just look at the FST section, you'll see a thread talking about how catholicism leads people to hell.

Originally posted by UScitizen
I think in time the christians will end up just like the muslims. Blowing each other up just because some one worships the same god a different way.

If only!
More likely, they'll find new "pagans" to gang up on, and persecute.

I find most of the views on Christianity on this forum amazing. I'll explain...

Here we have a thread accusing Christians of being the biggest threat to American democracy. We have people attacking Christians "because they attack others." We have people accusing Christians of being bigots and persecuting others in a thread where Christians are being judged. Does that seem a little ironic to anyone else but me?

Non-Christians and non-religious types for some reason think they are above what they accuse others of. You say you don't approve of Christianity because they judge others, and yet here you are judging them. Do you honestly think you are any better than those people calling NPR?

I think not.

This is something that doesn't surprise me. The Mormons, Catholics, New Agers, et cetera, have been coming under attack by the religious right for several decades now. If you don't believe just like they do, "You're evil and just plain wrong," according to them.

The Muslims are also like this. When one opens one's eyes, it is clear to see what the two Abrahamic, war causing, religions are trying to do.



[edit on 19-11-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by nyk537
Non-Christians and non-religious types for some reason think they are above what they accuse others of. You say you don't approve of Christianity because they judge others, and yet here you are judging them. Do you honestly think you are any better than those people calling NPR?

I have no problems with Christians, or members of any religion, or atheists and agnostics, judging others. We all have the right to our opinions. The problem is how some people act upon their judgments, and on this basis, Christians and Muslims have the worst possible track record.

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You're making a critical error. Yes, they have the worse track records. But they also have historically had unparalleled political power. Can you say with a straight face that atheists (the predominant religion in the Soviet Union, which killed millions upon millions, although the relationship between religion and the state was more complicated), taoists, or any other religion would not have a comparable track record if presented with such temporal opportunity?

No army has marched in the name of atheism. Atheism is to religion as bald is to hair colour.

EG, Stalin fighting for Atheism makes as much sense as the American Founding Fathers fighting purely for Deism.

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sorry, i'm not judging any christians here, i'm judging the christian religion. judging a belief system isn't akin to judging it's followers.

Originally posted by Icon_xof
When a religion is used as a political tool or a means of political discrimination it undermines one of the original reasons our country was founded, FREEDOM of religion.

Its true, the religions are critical amongst themselves, each critical of the others interpretation of Christs teachings.

How Love one Another got construed into so much tradition and ritual Ill never know..Jesus warned us about becoming like the Jewish leaders and making tons of laws and being judgemental upon each other which causes people like yourself to come conclusions like yours below:

Originally posted by Icon_xof
This whole situation just strengthens my disgust for organized religion and proves to me how idiotic the majority of my fellow American truly are.

And then you say how idiotic your fellow Americans are.

How can you express disgust with Christianity in terms of them speaking against each other and then slander your fellow Americans?
In doing so you lump yourself in the category of the discriminating Christian.

Love one Another brother, its really that simple. Every man woman and child on this planet learns at various speeds and from different teachers.

Practice Kindness..

Peace

[edit on 22-11-2007 by HIFIGUY]

Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Originally posted by Icon_xof
When a religion is used as a political tool or a means of political discrimination it undermines one of the original reasons our country was founded, FREEDOM of religion.

Its true, the religions are critical amongst themselves, each critical of the others interpretation of Christs teachings.

What does it take to get through your thick heads? You speak for no one except for the fellow members of your particular cultic sect of Christianity.



[edit on 24-11-2007 by kegs]

Originally posted by kegs
What does it take to get through your thick heads? You speak for no one except

Yourself.


Peace Brother


[edit on 24-11-2007 by HIFIGUY]

Yourself.

And in yourself the answer lies.

If your unending "winning" ilk could actually realise that within yourselfs, a semblance of peace where it concerns Christianity in the world could be in sight if you ascribed to even to 10% of what you spend on proselytizing.

The rest of us have long since given up hope of you actually practicing what you preach.

I won't be holding my breath.


[edit on 24-11-2007 by kegs]

Originally posted by kegs
And in yourself the answer lies.

If your unending "winning" ilk could actually realise that within yourselfs, a semblance of peace where it concerns Christianity in the world could be in sight if you ascribed to even to 10% of what you spend on proselytizing.

The rest of us have long since given up hope of you actually practicing what you preach.

I won't be holding my breath.

Originally posted by kegs
Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true.

Touche