is the Jesus story just a recycled version of the Horus of Egypt?

The Jesus story in the Bible has been rumored to be a recycled version of the Horus(Egypt) story since the first gospel appeared. The comparisons are without a doubt very interesting. The premise is that parts of the Bible are full of myths and stories recycled from earlier times and made to fit the various characters of the Bible. Its a very interesting theory...anyone?? No Bible thumpers please.... just honest insight

This is the idea brought to recent fame by the "Zeitgeist" video you can find on google and youtube.


It's not a perfect argument, but then... discussion on a subject this old never is.

But I did find it to be quite powerful and for the most part, convincing. I remember being taught by my Christian parents that to study other religions would land you in hell. Now I think the reason we were warned not to do this was to hide the fact that all religious ideas essentially came from the same place.

The strategy of divide and conquer doesn't work when the people realize that they have too much in common to justify fighting with each other.

Not Only Horus
But also many others, like Krishna (21) / Moses (20) / Romulus (19) / King Arthur (19) / Perseus (18) / Jesus (18) / Watu Gunung of Java (18) / Heracles (17) Mohammad (17) / Beowulf (15) / Buddha (15) / Zeus (14) / Nyikang, a cult-hero of the Shiluk tribe of the Upper Nile (14) / Samson (13) / Sunjata, the Lion-King of Ancient Mali (11) / Achilles (10) / Odysseus (8) / Harry Potter (8) / Czar Nicholas II (14)

is the hero pattern department.monm.edu...

Another really good movie that explains this is THE GOD WHO WASN'T THERE

[DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT]

Actually the idea has been touched upon before, and there was a documentary released entitled "The God who Wasn't There" in which the creator outlines the basic qualities that make up the classical heroes of literature. He included characters such as Odysseus, Hercules, and various other Greek, Norse, Middle Eastern and even Asian stories, legends, and folklore.

He discovered that the character of Jesus fits neatly into over 100 of these characteristics, scoring higher than only Odysseus himself.

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how could you include harry potter and leave out Luke Skywalker and Simba from the Lion King?

and mithra...

pretty much from what I have come to learn from some home research is that nearly every major religion of the world is based somehow on an Egytian style creation theory.... seems that people spread out from this area all those years ago and took their version of the story all over the world..... The similarities are really quite extraordinary.

the crucifixion is mentioned in roman history texts, so I believe there is at least a basis for some of the story.

the immaculate conception and ressurection are where you need faith, but I feel it is fact he lived in Jerusalem, and was crucified

Sun god ‘Horus’ Egyptian 3000 BC

He is anthropomorphised as the sun

He’s life is about the suns movements in the sky

Horus also means light, day

‘Set’ (god of the underworld) darkness, night

Born on December 25 of the virgin Isis meri and was accompanied be the star on the east, followed and located by the 3 kings, age of 12, was a prodicle child teacher, age of 30 he was baptised by a figure known as Anup, and had 12 disciples he travelled about with. Preformed miracles, healing the sick, and walking on water.
The truth, the light, gods anointed son, the good Shepard, the lamp of god,
After being betrayed by typhoon, he was crucified, berried and dead for 3 days and then resurrected.

Attics, of fledgier Greece 1200 BC, Born of the virgin Nanun, born on December 25 crucified placed in a tomb and after three days resurrected

Krishna India 900 BC born of the virgin Devaki ("Divine One"), royal descent star in the east signalling his coming, birth was attended by wise men, preformed miracles with his disciples, disciples bestowed upon him the title "Jezeus," "pure essence," and upon is death was resurrected

Dionysus of Greece, 500 BC, born of a virgin, born on December 25, was a travelling teacher who preformed miracles, such as turning water into wine, Referred to as the king of kings, gods only begotten sun the alpha and omega upon his death was resurrected

Mithra Persia 1200 BC, born as a virgin on December 25, he had twelve disciples, preformed miracles, upon his death was berried for 3 days and then resurrected, also referred to as the truth the light, the day of worship was Sunday, bread and wine, of which the Mithraic initiates partook. The bread consisted of tiny leaves, each distinctively marked with a cross. The participants ate the bread and then drank the wine from a cup. The Christians of the day, noting the likeness, accused the demons of thievery. Both ceremonies, Christian and Mithraic, were believed to have been memorial services celebrating the divine, and it is known that Mithra, at the close of his redemptive career and just before his ascension to heaven, partook of a last supper with his companions.

Buddha born of the virgin Maya, royal descent, performed miracles, healed the sick, walked on water, crucified, suffered for three days in hell, and was resurrected.



Star in the east is Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, on December 24 a-lines with the three brightest stars on oriens belt, the three kings, the three kings and Sirius a-line with the sun on December 25,

The virgin merry is the constellation Virgo, also known as Virgo the virgin, Virgo in Latin means virgin, the ancient gliff for virgin is the M, this is why merry along with other virgin mothers along with Adolness mother myrra, or buddas mother maya, Virgo is also referred to as the house of bread, the representation of Virgo holding a sheaf of wheat, house of bread symbol of wheat represents august and September, the time of harvest, inturn the term Bethlehem translates to house of bread, Bethlehem is reference to the castellation Virgo, a place in the sky, not on earth

From the summer stolsuce to winter stolsuce, the days become shorter, and colder, from the perspective from the Northern hemisphere, the sun moves appears to move south and become more smaller and more screrce, less sun means crops die, meaning death, to the ancients, there was the death of the sun --- December 15 to December 22 the sun sets earlier and the days become shorter, the sun stops moving south on 22 for 3 days that can be seen, and is under the southern cross constellation, on December 25 the sun moves one degree North, rising from the dead, reborn, giving longer days, warmth and spring

Epic of Gilgamesh 2600 BC same story as noah

Sargon of acard same as mosses story of birth, basket in water 2250 BC and raised by royalty.


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Zeitgeist the movie is a digest of the researches by a pretty blond religion student self called Acharya S., who all in all just re-discovered the almost forgotten works of a certain Gerald Massenet, XIXth century french mythologist who got into egyptians stories as Napoleon had conquered the place recently.

Massenet, in a way that today makes the critics about Eliade researches (too-easy-linking-between-different-cultural-entities, according to so-called mainstream scientist), discovered, then decided to methodically point out all the analogies between ancient deities, specially about names and roles of Gospell's main caracters. Lazarus was so linked to Ausare, Christ with Horus (or the same Ausare-Osiris for the sacrifice aspect), Mary and Isis, Maria-Magdalena and Nephtys, Herod with Seth, etc.

The Jesus story is barely recorded by the talmudic jewish community, whose "cultural center" was destroyed by Roma in 70 ce : a "Yeshu", depicted as one of of the biggest heretics in history, but not much details are given about neither his preach nor his life.

Contemporaries observers like Flavius Josephe, jewish historian that passed to roman party, somewhat named the figure of J-C, but most of these kinds of references are now believed to have been added late after to the original writings, in a propagandical way.

Anyway, what Massenet points out can not be dismissed as entirely constructed. Moreover, his hermeneutics give ways to another approach of the christics enigmas, that the "Midrashic hypothesis" of Bernard Dubourg explains through a totally different direction, while still explaining Christ as a mainly fictional figure created to save the Jewish Faith from roman destruction.

The Dubourg's theory is interesting as much as it matches some (-rather widely unknown-) operative, genetic (as 'poïetic') structures inherent to the jewish tradition ; as its name indicates it, the Midrashic Hypothesis claims that Gospels have been written through the traditional jewish text elaboration methode that the Midrashes illustrate, where thoughts are materialized by figures whose actions lead to expose some deeper truth that the entire story tends to enlighten.

While Romans were destroying the Second Temple, some jews took exemple of some existing (or not, according the most radical view) social activist to integrate in its story, meant from begining to somewhat become mythic, the SYNTHESIS of all JEWS teachings. Doing so, a people who was aware of being on the verge of its annihilation, tried to synthetise its entire tradition in the form of a single, easy-to-remember "apologetic" story.

This could quite explain the intrusion of popular myth well known as this time by crowds crawling in a common paradigma made of the different beliefs out of dozens of differents traditions, moreover all developed from a sumero-brahmano-egypto-phenician common ground. Mithra vs the Bull, but also Horus vs Seth, Enki vs Enlil, are all foundable within the Gospell's lines, as well as in Tanakh (Hebraïc Bible) : Caïn and Abel ("En-Ki" and "En-Lil") are clearly evoked in the Bible as to brothers destroying each other far before the Flood came on (Enki and Enlil fighting before the "sumerian" Flood). By the way, hebrew Genesis does pretend to establish a history of entire Mankind, and not of Jewish people only.

Massenet, Acharya S. and the ZeitGeist-the-film writer all get wrong by getting in the easy temptation of the "fakery" argument.

The Gospel-as-a-Midrash Explanation make light on the crypto-references by the theory of collective unconscious integrating all levels of general culture into one synthesis of differents threads of popular (or/while initiatic) wisdom. Also blind allusions to Mary, Horus, Mithra, all solar gods, sacrified entities or ressurected heroes can be refered to as a way to transmit [QBL] a gnosis that transcends the formalism of such symbologies.


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[edit on 17-11-2007 by Rigel]

I am just curious then. There are not alot of non biblical references to Jesus or any records of his crucifixion. Josephus did refer to his brother James and not Jesus directly and I know that some historians feel that he was only referring to him from what others has said and not from any factual record nor could he of known him(James or Jesus). So this reference could be considered sketchy. So did the gospel writers base the works on the traditions of many of the egyptian gods? or did they believe that Jesus was actually a man? The gospels did turn out to be great brainwashing devices throughout history....though

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70-80 ce : The Temple's destroyed by the Roman, the Nation of Israel is dispatched throughout the empire, Eretz Israel has been turned into Palestine.

A community decide to spread a new message of a spiritual kingdom as announced, according to them, by twenty centuries of jewish tradition throughout twenty-four prophets whose message tends to progressively twist toward some spiritual redemption gnosis.

A "saviour" appears finally from this very tradition, which, through the cult of some "Master of Wisdom", had prepared the event of his historical intronisation - this, all along a tradition of teachings aiming to establish some saint community whose morality would have been a practical application of the strictly mosaïc law and ethics.

When the preach has been made by the Spiritual Messiah in the person of some historical Yeshua who died under the roman rule, the hagiographical
accounts of his live and death are written through the MIDRASHIC METHODOLOGY, where parabolas and hyperboles are constructed in order to embodied some moral value, - and names can then be taken from popular mythological heroes, like Lazarus from Osiris-Ausarus.

When the "strategy" has unfold to its entire extend, the texts are "regulated" (cannonised), then taken has the foundation of an entire new worship, a new religion.

Vatican could not be what the first christian thought to be their very Church, but the all evangelic process undoubtly proceeds from a midrashic, personalized view of the entire Tanakh dynamic prescriptions. Dynamic, as evoluting through Israël spiritual history, finally leading to a spiritual paradigm that christianism realize.

To be fair you should see also the documentary "the fabric of time".
Some interesting new finding about the "Shroud of Turin".
Some thing to do with "the event horizon".
kacou

Shroud of Turin. Old stuff too. Most probably Jacques de Molay's shroud in the best case. Anyhow not Christ's.

From here should the question of Orion be more or less discussed, was it to complete some esoterical aspects that are not directly covered by common religious knowledge as evoked until here.



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Jesus is defintely not a recycled version.
However in the early ages, his birth date has been changed to December 25. This date cannot be found in the bilble.
December 25 was a PAGAN date of the rebirth of the Sun.

For sheep, it is much to cold to stay outside during that time.
Also there was a fest in Jerusalem, which does not match the December month.

Originally posted by hawk123
Jesus is defintely not a recycled version.

Why ? The evidence points to him not even living...

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A lot of people have the same questions.
www.everystudent.com...
After his death on the cross, he resurrected again and 40 days later he went to heaven.
However he will come back to earth.


Have a look at the Egyption mummies.
They believe in reincarnation.
However they are still dead.
Sometimes it is possible to show their dead bodies.

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You really should enquire about it, the subject is old but this is a new founding that maybe will surprise you.
www.imdb.com...
above is some critic about this new documentary.

Kacou.

From what I've Jesus's story is recycled story of Horus which in itself is a recylced story of Sumerian Mythology..

At the very least, one could draw number of simliarities between the stories of Jesus and Horus..

I googled the phrase 'Jesus and Horus' without the single quotes and found a number of sites that may be of interest to people.

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get yourself a copy of the book-------the 2 babylons by alexander hislop--------to put it briefly the ancients knew of the coming of Messiah and so imposters took advantage of their fellow citizens and implied that they were the messiah---------same old same old----just like the politicians ---lie and promise you the world to gain power and money for themselves.the worst of the imposters of the world shortly after the flood were nimrod and semiramis(easter).in the time of the apostles it was simon magus and in our time it is the "father" of a very large well known church.

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when was the Messiah born ? get yourself a copy of bullingers companion bible and then look in the appendix 91 page 131 my copy-------there you will see that Messiah was murdered 29 ce and since we know He died on the passover day counting back 33 1/2 years takes you to 6 bce---He tabernacled with us---feast of tabernacles end of 6bce to passover 29ce is exactly 33 1/2 years----------however the catholic church change the calendar and advanced the time of our present worlds calendar by 4 years-------so by the catholic calendar He died passover 33 ad.