Lear a CIA agent?

William Cooper in Behold a pale horse refers to John Lear as being a CIA agent, Cooper also was a believer that the moon does have an atmosphere and he does mention John Lear as the person who provided the Kennedy clip where he is clearly being shot by the driver but then turns around and accuses John Lear as being a government agent, Just to show Cooper totally lost his marbles.

Originally posted by plug_pray
Cooper also was a believer that the moon does have an atmosphere
/snip/
Just to show Cooper totally lost his marbles.

Belief in lunar atmosphere... going bonkers... Do you imply there might be a correlation???

no, lost his marbles referring to believing that John Lear was CIA.

Originally posted by plug_pray
no, lost his marbles referring to believing that John Lear was CIA.

Hmm... Why do you think it is impossible that John Lear is indeed a CIA operative?

Originally posted by plug_pray
William Cooper in Behold a pale horse refers to John Lear as being a CIA agent, Cooper also was a believer that the moon does have an atmosphere and he does mention John Lear as the person who provided the Kennedy clip where he is clearly being shot by the driver but then turns around and accuses John Lear as being a government agent, Just to show Cooper totally lost his marbles.

Another one

Never ends does it?

So what if he is?

I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall when he's around telling of some of his adventures...

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
Not sure what your vector is Victor.I can't make an airplane or pterodactyl out of that.
Maybe some links would help me roger that Roger.........or at least shirley give me an idea.

[edit on 13-11-2007 by citizen truth]

As long as there is an ATS there will be anti-Lear threads. To bad the OP doesn't know there are already around 10+ threads dealing with the same topic.

To the OP, next time try searching for the thread topic you want to make before you make it because often times, it exists.

IMO, these threads should be closed immediatley. If I posted the same UFO video or big foot thread weekly those threads would be closed.

Originally posted by mentalempire
reply to post by Roland Deschain

 

No they shouldn't, as long as Lear's still here. The mods could end this all by sending Lear packing...until they do we need to keep the heat on him.

Why would they send him packing, hes interesting and his theories always create a discussion. Just because he has different views than you doesn't mean you belong here more than he does. If anything, he belongs here more than you do, you're here one day and you're already complaining about a member on this site.

reply to post by mentalempire


You can't post the same news story in the breaking news section ten times. Or post the same UFO video in the alien/UFO board twenty times. Or the same pictures of ghosts in the paranormal board eleven times. When a topic exists and a new one is posted on the same exact thing why should the thread stay? It doesn't happen on any of the other boards or subjects here at ATS, why should it be allowed in the John Lear board? The OP could have contributed to one of the twenty existing threads claiming Lear is a disinformation agent.

What is it to you whether or not John Lear posts here. You don't like his posts? You don't like what he has to say? Ignore him. If you are confused about how to ignore a member u2u me and I can help you.

reply to post by plug_pray


I know the list you're talking about I think Stephen Greer and Stanton Friedman are on it as well. IMO, he's not correct about everyone on that list. I get the sense John Lear is honest about his beliefs on extraterrestrials, obviously none of us would necessarily know if he's lying.

Originally posted by Raoul Duke
I get the sense John Lear is honest about his beliefs on extraterrestrials

I have nothing but respect for anyone's belief in extraterrestrials. However, I don't have much respect for selective logic, where a law of physics is applied on one occasion and is ignored on a similar occasion, just to promote whatever the poster chooses to promote. I find this disnigenious.

It is indeed about usefullness of this site for things alternative.


[edit on 13-11-2007 by buddhasystem]

reply to post by mentalempire


Here for less than a week and you're already throwing down the gauntlet? You wouldn't happen to be a formerly banned member returning to raise a lil' ruckus, would ya?

This is all about the integrity of this website

Leave that to the staff; they do a fine job, and you're outta your element here Donny.

We've got mountains of evidence that Lear's practicing conscious deception

Who is this "we"? Have you read the terms & conditions that you so eagerly invoke against Lear? Specifically, 2d.

2d.) Forum Gangs: You will not engaged in an organized collaboration with other members to disrupt thread topics or interrupt the flow of normal collaborative discussion. Doing so will result in immediate termination of posting privileges.

Originally posted by mentalempire

He's lying about Venus being Earthlike, of that I am sure.

Do you have a source on this? You're a Venusian contactee presumably, lol...

reply to post by buddhasystem


Yeah, but I look at John Lear as like an investigative journalist with unnamed sources. I assume he's got some contacts to the black budget world, and folks who already know what disclosure will entail if it ever occurs.

p.s. Doesn't he claim old NASA books as one of his sources (before they airbrushed out the good stuff)? If anyone can locate the books he claims to have, they can at least verify or debunk this part of his claims.


[edit on 13-11-2007 by Raoul Duke]

reply to post by mentalempire


Do you even know the definition of hypocritical?

And here I thought it was supposed to be Lear that dodged comments and questions...

No, I don't know he is posting anything that breaks rule 1; however, two wrongs don't make a right; so using that as your defense seems quite silly.

[edit on 11/13/07 by redmage]

Originally posted by mentalempire
reply to post by Roland Deschain

 

No they shouldn't, as long as Lear's still here. The mods could end this all by sending Lear packing...until they do we need to keep the heat on him.

Do we kill all anti-Bush threads because there are 16465461564164 of them?

Why? Coz he thinks and expresses himself differently from you? Or because he is honest enough to make public his own beliefs? When are you people gonna learn to respect somebody's else opinion and right of being in the same place with the ones that don't think in the same way? Why can't you and others like you let the mods, smods, admins and the owners of this great site do their job and apply the rules that they them selfs established as T&C? I'm sick and tired of people asking almost everyday to ban John Lear or somebody else. You don't like it? Fine, don't read and don't participate in his threads or use the ignore button and make up your mind. So use all the civil means possible but for heavens sakes stop whining like a bunch of school girls. ATS is such a great place and has a lot of information and material to digest. Use your time guys for something more constructive and useful. Or go and open your own forum and do the things in the best way suits your needs and ego.

Originally posted by redmage
reply to post by mentalempire

 

Here for less than a week and you're already throwing down the gauntlet? You wouldn't happen to be a formerly banned member returning to raise a lil' ruckus, would ya?

This is all about the integrity of this website

Leave that to the staff; they do a fine job, and you're outta your element here Donny.

We've got mountains of evidence that Lear's practicing conscious deception

Who is this "we"? Have you read the terms & conditions that you so eagerly invoke against Lear? Specifically, 2d.

2d.) Forum Gangs: You will not engaged in an organized collaboration with other members to disrupt thread topics or interrupt the flow of normal collaborative discussion. Doing so will result in immediate termination of posting privileges.

Check out the guys' moniker.' mentalempire'?
Please.
Check out the tone of his posts. Phil Klass wannabe if you ask me.

mental? Could be... you be the judge...

As you say, redmage. Here for a week, and he thinks he can lay down the law.
Hey mental, can we leave the modding to the mods, or do you need to step in and take control since they're doing such a lousy job of it?
JL will be judged on the merits of his posts.
As will others.
As will you.

Period.

Originally posted by mentalempire
If it's that hard to prove an infraction of the first rule, then it's worthless.

Actually, from my experience here, it's not that hard. Usually the offender slips up and admits to an infraction.

Kinda like this:

We've got mountains of evidence that Lear's practicing conscious deception

And this:

The mods could end this all by sending Lear packing...until they do we need to keep the heat on him.

Sound a bit like admissions to participating in a "forum gang"; however, the slip ups are often a bit more blatant than that.

Originally posted by mentalempire
But people have been booted with FAR, FAR less proof that they were hoaxing.

Again, you've only been a member for a week; so what's your basis for comparison? You wouldn't happen to be a formerly banned member returning to raise a lil' ruckus, would ya?

[edit on 11/13/07 by redmage]

Originally posted by mentalempire
He's gotta be a classic CIA disinfo operative...isn't it blatantly obvious? He admits in his bio that he's worked for the CIA numerous times in the past, he always promotes the least credible theories, and when someone brings up something credible, like Roswell, he tries to change the subject. He's really trying to undermine us.

Case closed.

I think that's foolish. The man states his opinion and beliefs, nothing more. If there were any disinformation agents here, they would not reveal their entire career history and personal life. Frankly, I find your theory more ridiculous than anything John has ever said, big soul machine on the moon included.