The city without pity - Illuminati

Originally posted by Cuhail
If we keep driving off new members by assaulting them with poignant, but aggressive demands while they're still at the point of hesitation to post at all,

..here we go again.
I was not aggressive.. and I posted after she already made two posts. At first she mentioned a girl who had gone missing and said it was just rumour and purely subjective.. but when asked about that further.. she had a melt down and said there was proof of her story and basically implied her daughter was witness to the cleanup of this rape/murder.

To not allow a member to relax and be at ease while they relate their tale is, at the least, rude and at the most, a violation of T&C. Don't make any mistake. I have read every Term and Condition the 3-As wrote and I'll scour them to the letter to keep this kind of assault OUT of any thread I participate in.

Yeah.. so is knowingly posting missleading and deceptive information.
I'm wondering.. while you are getting on your high horse, playing teacher and attacking our charactors.. [depite the fact that she's already broken the T&C herself] ..have you contacted the family of the dead girl yet..? They are DESPERATELY after ANY information about their daughter.. so how do you think they would feel to see her tragedy be used in such a way? Do you want to send the email or shall I?

'killed for meat'? :shk: refer to my last post.

EDIT. Cuhail.. given your obsession with MY behaviour I suggest you make a formal complaint against me instead of reprimanding me in the thread as self appointed mod. It only serves to drag me back into the discussion to defend myself which apparently taumatises the OP anyway. You're not doing her any favours.

[edit on 14-11-2007 by riley]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
yet another example of some terrible things happening to the person...

..the person then filling in the blanks (unknowns) with imaginary scenarios

...then telling the story which is not believed because of those ocassional lapses of reason.

I think terrible things happened to you and in trying to make sense of them, you are wildly speculating.

Personally I believe this may be the case.. which unfortuantly means there is no way of telling what is true and what is urban legend. I hope deviliself gets the help he/she needs to figure it all out.

[edit on 14-11-2007 by riley]

I'd like to echo Cuhail's sentiments to allow devilhisself to tell her story in full without being picked apart.
I believe he had noble intentions in defending her, or more accurately her right to post her story, Riley, and I don't think you should misconstrue it as an attack on yourself.

That aside, here's my input, not so much on the OP's story, but on Nanaimo itself. It certainly seems like the town has a lot of mystery and strange goings on. I found this thread on another messageboard
haunted nanaimo

A few excerpts from that thread:

I think that the visitor center at Beban park is definitely haunted. My little brother went to daycare there, and I saw the same little boy that people have described themselves. It's a little boy, with a red ball.

I too have heard the visitor center is haunted. also, when younger we lived on Rosstown Rd and had always been told (as a young girl) never to go near the old oval track behind beban park on full moons because of 'devil worshippers' -- thinking like an Elmo's Fire type of thing - never found out if that was just a lie.

I remember as a teenager there were rumours of a temple run and owned by alleged devil worshippers in that area. We seemed to think it was the last place on the left on Stobart Road (off Holland Rd). Looking at a map now, it now appears that Stobart goes all the way through to E. Wellington though it was a dead end at the time.

Again, these are just stories and I'm sure every town has their own, but it's some interesting background information that several people say there's a group of people there - devil worshippers/satanists etc.

edit to add: picking apart the story is fine, but we need to give her a chance to tell us

[edit on 15-11-2007 by MrDead]

Masons run off another one. And still spewing hate. What a bunch of wonderful people. I feel sorry for them.

Originally posted by MrDead
I'd like to echo Cuhail's sentiments to allow devilhisself to tell her story in full without being picked apart.

..yet neither of you are mods so its not your place to be telling others how to post. Cuhail's "I'm going to be a mod someday." claim doesn't count.
Again.. If I/we break the rules.. lodge a formal complaint.

I believe he had noble intentions in defending her, or more accurately her right to post her story, Riley, and I don't think you should misconstrue it as an attack on yourself.

Misconstrue? I've got an entire thread AND U2Us confirming it. Maybe you should read the whole thread before attacking me for my behaviour. I find it most peculiar that people deny being fixated on my behaviour.. yet manage to mention my name in nearly every rant/post thats 'not' about me.

..and why do you suddenly care about this woman? You didn't care enough to post on the first three pages. Thats most transparent.

[edit on 15-11-2007 by riley]

Originally posted by riley
..yet neither of you are mods so its not your place to be telling others how to post.
Again.. If I/we break the rules.. lodge a formal complaint.

I don't recall ever telling you how to post, or what to post. I said that I agreed with Cuhail that perhaps we should allow her to tell us her story.

Misconstrue? I've got an entire thread AND U2Us confirming it. Maybe you should read the whole thread before attacking me for my behaviour. I find it most peculiar that people deny being fixated on my behaviour.. yet manage to mention my name in nearly every rant/post thats 'not' about me.

I did read the whole thread, but thanks for your condescending suggestion. I don't have any knowledge of your U2U's, but re: the thread, I see the attitude you took. I suppose you have to prove that you're the Grand Hoax Buster now that you've started it, and if you want to belligerent about it, that's fine for you.

..and why do you suddenly care about this woman? You didn't care enough to post on the first three pages. Thats most transparent.

I'd just like for her to tell her story. After reading about the town there seems to be something going on there so why not let her tell it? She may be excited, but she is a new member. The reason I didn't "care enough to post on the first three pages" is because I did not see this thread until today. I've got no fight with you Riley so put your claws away. You haven't broken any rules, that is true, but all that was asked, as one member to another, was to give her a chance. I don't think that's so wrong.

Originally posted by MrDead

Originally posted by riley
..yet neither of you are mods so its not your place to be telling others how to post.
Again.. If I/we break the rules.. lodge a formal complaint.

I don't recall ever telling you how to post, or what to post. I said that I agreed with Cuhail that perhaps we should allow her to tell us her story.

I did allow her to tell her story.. problem was she kept changing it. Your assertion that I didn't implies that I didn't post according to YOUR standards. If it bothers you that much: Make a formal complaint.. I'm getting a little tired of this harrassment.

I did read the whole thread, but thanks for your condescending suggestion. I don't have any knowledge of your U2U's, but re: the thread, I see the attitude you took. I suppose you have to prove that you're the Grand Hoax Buster now

What hoax? A hoax is usually where someone succeeds in fooling people.

that you've started it, and if you want to belligerent about it, that's fine for you.

So you're my victim too now?
Did you or did you not have a go at me specifically in your previous post? I've bolded some of your other insults just so you can see them for yourself. You're not exactly a passive bystander.
I keep trying to ignore this thread yet I keep getting mentioned, insulted and dragged back into it. The woman has obviously gone.. having a go at me repetively is NOT going to bring her back.. nor is it going to make her story make sense. Imo THAT is why she left.. there were too many contradictions she could not account for or explain so she took the easy way out, labelled me the boogieman and fled.

If you have any further issues with me please lodge a formal complaint.

I am sick of this thread and quite frankly would like to see it disapear as it would be horrible if that missing girls family saw it.

[edit on 16-11-2007 by riley]

We've already had mod warnings in this thread about attacking eachother, so lets not regurgitate these points once again.

Here's what I see in this thread. An incomplete story with some fantastic details. Innocent on its own, but the biggest issue both riley and myself have are the inconsistencies within the few posts the OP shared with us.

I'd say its safe to assume that the OP, with a husband, a house, and a child is mature enough to collect her thoughts and present it in an easily understandable way. Granted she was excited, but her inability to clarify the few questions posed by riley and myself raised a flag for both of us, and it seemed logical to us to continue to press the issue and question more.

Any ATS user who has been here since the summer can atest to the number of hoaxes we get, in those threads, a fantastic story is presented. Many times, the story isnt even finished before it is exposed as a hoax. This because of inconsistencies that astute members point out and ask for clarification. This is what has happened in this thread, the difference is, while in the course of this investigation, the OP decided to provide no further clarification and leave us all hanging with an unfinished story, with unanswered questions.

riley, though perhaps more hardline than some members would like, has done nothing wrong. As it stands, the OP does not appear to be comming back to offer clarity or finish her story, and so, the focus of this thread should be the OP's story. what pieces of it we actually have. Members of this thread should be focusing on the confusing details that riley and myself have pointed out.

riley, Im with you 100%

[edit on 16-11-2007 by InSpiteOf]

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I agree.
Guys, I meant no harm. I wasn't accusing anyone of anything and I thought both you, InSpiteOf and riley asked the questions that needed to be asked.
I was just asking that we all hold off on the hard questions until it was all out and then, when she had retold all of her story, we could get down to the bottom of what she was on about.
The hoaxes we experienced recently has made our patience thin, practically anorexic. We need to fatten our patience up a bit and remember that not everyone comes here with all their facts straight and ready to relate. But, sheer hope that somebody can help them sort it all out, I'm sure, is what prompts them to just start shooting off tidbits of confused memories mixed with innaccurate formulations that they worked out in ignorance. I think this was the case here.
Don't get me wrong, she flipped out quick..really quick, but she related, innaccurately I'm SURE, what she experienced. It was steeped in her own ignorance as we could see, spouting words like Masonry and Witchcraft in ways WE know are wrong.
They were things she'd heard of, but, had no real knowledge of and she was entwining them with what she experienced first hand. The little she knew and what she really experienced scared the daylights out of her.
Then, coming here, she saw all the topics that scared her being discussed and she blurted out what she, in her ignorance, assembled in her mind.

So, out of what she related, what have we got that's solid?

The town of Nanaimo, BC. just outside Vancouver Island.-Fact.
It has a serious problem with drugs, mainly Crystal-Meth.-FactGangs quietly thrive in Nanaimo
The Hells Angels have a huge presence and recently lost their clubhouse in a police raid.-Fact.Nanaimo Hell's Angels clubhouse seized by province
There is an Indian Burial Ground there and a story of schools that killed a LOT of Indian children.-FactThe Canadian Holocaust
There is a history of Occultism in the area.-FactYahoo search results
There's a history of Fremmasonry.-FactBlack Sheep Lodges of BC
There is a missing girl.-FactLisa Marie Young

I STILL can't find any references to Dan Barrigan. Odd that.

Thanks to ALL of you for contributing to the thread. There IS a lot of "Darkness" surrounding the area.

devilhisself, come back.

Cuhail

Cuhail I can understand where you're coming from. You have a heart of gold and want to help people all you can. My one and only thread was terrible but you had a nice comment on it. Thank you for that.

Riley I have to say I am in agreement with you.

Both of you respected men want the same thing and it's frustrating to not be able to help the OP.

I'm going to say what I think and it will probably cause my first warning as I generally tell it like I see it with no sugar coating.


It is very obvious the OP is probably not your normal respected citizen. The OP has stated she killed someone yet she is not in jail and will not discuss how or why she killed.

Her husband is in jail. Generally people don't go to prison for good deeds.

She was attacked and did not seek help from the police.

IMO this lady was/is involved in some activity that may not be legal. Her language offended me but I believe it was just normal for her to flower her conversation.

I sent her U2U's and was very sweet and nice to her. She never responded.

I don't know if what she is saying is true or not. I do know that I feel there is alot more to this situation than we will ever know.

I also know that a person will not have to kill, be beat up, or be afraid for their life if they have not put themselves in a bad situation.

I smell a rats nest somewhere.

This situation is certainly not something that we will solve. I don't believe any of us is going to "rescue" this woman.

Respectfully to all concerned,
Dizzie

Well said dizzers,

I agree, she was less than an upstanding citizen. But I disagree that she killed someone. She admitted to just shooting someone and there is a lot she didn't say in regards to it.

Originally posted by devilhisself

I also shot someone. Had to. There were people in the treed area surrounding the area. Undoubtedly, some were cops.

I don't think she ever got around to elaborating.
I DO agree that she and her husband were engaged in illegal activities. Probably petty, but again, she never elaborated.

Cuhail

Hi, new member here. I just came across this thread and figured I may as well resurect it as I can confirm some of the OP's comments reguarding Nanaimo. I have heard alot of what the original poster claims at least as rumours. I have lived here in Nanaimo a very long time and over that time I have been witness to some very strange things going on here. First off I will not comment on anything to do with HA's as it is rumoured that they own most of this town and I would not want to be on their s#&t list.

OK so I'm gonna ramble a bit to get some of this info out..

Nanaimo has a very long dark almost secret history of occultism going on here. One of the first Masonic temples on the west coast is still here. Allister Crowley visited Nanaimo way back when and his Magikal son Frater Achad who took over Crowleys group the A.A. lived in Deep Cove just outside of Vancouver. (an interesting tid bit is Crowleys house in Scotland on Loch Ness which was later owned by a member of Led Zeplin has Nessy the Lake Monster and if you go to Deep Cove there is a Provincial Park at the water front with a big sign telling all about Deep Coves Sea Monster. Witnessed both in modern times and going way back into Native legend.) The World Satanic Church has its second main headquarters located here in little ol Nanaimo. The O.T.O. also has a main branch located here. There is also a sub group called the O.M.S. (Order of the Midnight Sun) rumoured to be the junior branch of the O.T.O.

Some twenty something years ago the young founders of a group which would later become the OMS appeared in the local newspaper proclaiming to be Satanic Witches. The next day another article appeared with a person from the Nanaimo branch of the World Satanic Church denouncing the youngsters as imposters not knowing what they were talking about and that they were not affiliated. Some time later a young person died and it was rumoured that it was a ritual killing by these OMS'ers, that they had given this one kid heart meds and OD'd him. There was a police investigation but no charges were laid. And it happened again with these same people just a couple of years back a kid was pushed off the cliffs at a place here called Pipers Lagoon a place rumoured to be used by them for their rituals and once again it was rumoured to have been a ritual sacrfice by the OMS'ers. another investigation and no charges. The OMS'ers have since gone more underground lately but the rumour is that they work between Nanaimo and Kelowna. Coincidently that is where the Lake Monster Ogo Pogo lives.

I did have at one time some connections with some of the members of the OMS, although they did not know that I knew what they were or what they were about and there is more I could tell about them but it would give away my identity and I need to stay anonamous for obvious reasons. They are very dangerous. I was never a witness to any crime by them but I was close enough to hear all of the rumours.

I'll leave it at that for now , just thought I'd dig up this old thread and add/confirm some creepy stuff I know about Nanaimo.

devilhisself, I hope one day you can feel comfortable enough to release your story. It will do a lot of good. I know Nanaimo well. Witchcraft Lake, Willy... I understand the pain and fear that is associated with some of the things you mention. Those that I know about as well. More time and patience was needed to hear your story. I'm sorry you were scared off. People will give you more space should you ever choose to return.

There's too much awful horrors that go on untold. Carrying things around inside us is not healthy. Peace, everyone.

How do you join the illuminati. I want to get a harverd degree and I want to become a judge or a represenitive. Are there any clubs at Harverd about it.

reply to post by devilhisself


This recent article in The Nanaimo Daily News that talks about Lisa. devilhisself, please help. Tell your story and don't be driven away by anyone. Take care, eh.

Nine-year police investigation draws out parent's pain
Lisa Marie Young disappeared in 2002

The mother of Nanaimo's most high-profile missing person still catches
herself staring at girls that resemble her daughter. It will be 10 years ago
next summer that Joanne Young last saw her daughter Lisa Marie, but the
years have not dulled the heartache of her disappearance.

Despite countless hours of police investigation, hundreds of tips,
widespread media coverage and vigils and marches in her honour, there are
more questions than answers when it comes to the unsolved case of Lisa
Marie, who vanished after a night out with friends over the Canada Day
weekend in 2002.

The full article is @ www2.canada.com...

Yikes! The OP reads like a hillbilly-biker version of "Twin Peaks".....
Definitely would not want to live there....

I stopped at "Zeek", Harleys, and Crystal Meth.

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I see that this was posted originally back in 2007, and that "devilhisself" is no longer active on the thread. However I thought I would comment upon her alleged paranoia about secret societies.

I have spent almost my entire life in large cities. Recently I moved to live temporarily in a small village near Glastonbury, Somerset with a population of around 2500; I won't mention the village's name to avoid this post appearing in Google searches, but it is typical of many of the villages around here.

In Glastonbury itself, it is a "New Age" centre and pilgrimage palce where the New Age, Neopagan & Neowiccan community is dominant, but it is quite a different matter in the small villages of Somerset.

In my small village, as you enter the village, among the first things you notice is a Catholic Church, and Anglican Church and a Roman Catholic church. There are a few pubs and upper room of one of the pubs is also used for Masonic meetings and the Masons afterwards walk around the public area downstairs in partial regalia; it is not so much a secret society; it is just part of the reality of the village which everyone knows about and it seems to be a society of businessmen, who talk in loud voices in the pub as if they own the place.

The atmosphere in the village is incredibly gossipy. It is the most gossipy place I have ever in. I have sat in the pub and been told the most explicit details about the sex lives of local women by local men, boasting of their prowess. It is said that if a pin drops at the top of the village, someone will hear about it at the bottom of the village and start talking about how 10 pins were dropped. I have heard stories in circulation about my partner and I which are totally untrue; apparently we are witches and we put curses on people. I expect if some farmer's cow dies, we would get the blame for it.

I have to point out also that the village gossip tends to be anti-Masonic; they are a business community here with a very obvious presense, and there is the usual jeaslousy and lurid tales of local Masons and witches. There s also open hostility to all foreigners. A foreigner is a person who is not from Somerest, or in some cases, not born in the village, and most foreign of all the Londoners who have allegedly "invaded" bought some of the most expensive property in the area. We have a humble cottage, but have had windows broken and incessant harrassment.

I think that people in small villages are bored. They form into gangs and their hatred and rumour mongering can be very offensive. If a man has an issue with someone else, it will often become a fist fight, but a woman usually fights with her tongue and spreads her hatred verbally, but in small villages, the men are more like women; gossip and conspiracy theories are the order of the day. If someone's grandfather had a fued with someone else's grandfather 100 years ago, the sins of the father are passed on through the generations. It all seems just like Hell on earth to me. Fortunately we don't have to stay here all year round and our own social circle is far and wide.

The Masons on the other hand seem to be more civilised; some of them often show up at new age events in Glastonbury, as "some" of them appear to identify with the current interest in esoteric revivalism. If anything it is the "Christians" in the area who are the most vile and whose mantra seems to be "hate they neighbour," and the foreigners and outsiders who are the "good guys" who all seems to have the same impression of the vllage. "Paranoia (false fear)" is not always paranoia; sometimes people really do harbour hatred and resentment against others for what seems to be absolutely no reason at all, and in village life one has to live among such savages.

Lux

Originally posted by Lucifer777

In my small village, as you enter the village, among the first things you notice is a Catholic Church, and Anglican Church and a Roman Catholic church.

The above is a typo which repeats the "Catholic" church twice.. I meant to say: "In my small village, as you enter the village, among the first things you notice is a Catholic Church, and Anglican Church and a "Masonic Lodge."

My apologies; too much alcohol ingested; not enough Christian flesh and blood.

Lux.

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Sorry to say, devilhisself, this forum does seem like a place where people don't listen or understand the complex reality that is present in these situations.

Please, should you ever again have the strength to come forward, to ease your soul, it will help Lisa's family.

Send me a private message, if you can. If you post publicly here again there will be some people being the same as they were/are, but, there are people who understand you and know what you're talking about.

Peace.