Taliban & Al-Qaeda kill 60 school children

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Bomb Detonates in Sugar Factory in Northeast Afghanistan as School Children Visited

A bomb went off Tuesday in Baghlan province, Afganistan, at a Sugar Factory where a small group of National Legislators were meeting, along with 59 school children and their teachers for a visit.

It's currently unknown if the fatal blast was caused by a suicide bomb or a detonated explosive device. It is the single deadlist terrorist attack in Afganistan since the Taliban's ouster in 2001.

I'm personally in awe at this. Nuts! These Islamic Fascist Terrorist arseholes have no regard for anyone's life, not even school children! I mean come on man .. this is bad like Beslan bad. This should be getting more coverage. I know I know.. the target was the legislators, but they could've called it off, someone detonated the device or set it to go at that tme. It's just wrong, unexcusable. Whichever "Mullah" or Terrorist "Sheikh" ordered this one should get strung up and beheaded by his own boys, it's despicable.

*shrug* .. the ways of the world ..

Thats terrible, my thoughts and prayers go out to the familys of those children. What a shame.

But, i wonder how many of them kids may have grown up to become terrorists themselvs??

Now we'll never know.

Originally posted by Who Dares Wins
Thats terrible, my thoughts and prayers go out to the familys of those children. What a shame.

But, i wonder how many of them kids may have grown up to become terrorists themselvs??

Now we'll never know.

I have to admit, I wondered that same thing. How many future terrorists were eliminated in that blast.
Then I berated myself for wondering that.
It's always sad when children die in wars. In many ways, it's deplorable that the world would fight wars when most of the populace is indeed under 12 years old. There are so many kids stuck in war zones, cowering with their mothers in rubble strewn streets, while the fathers grab their AK and run out to fight. I don't know. Maybe that's a defeatist attitude. I just know that with every war, there are pictures of the children stuck in it. Dirty, missing limbs, crying. It tears at my heart.

Bummed,
Cuhail

Some jackass gets pepper sprayed or some young American soldier protecting himself kills a civilian who gets caught up in the cross fire and we get 100s of inflammatory posts against the America government.

A day after a post about terrorist killing 60 children and we get 3 posts in response (counting mine). This just makes me wonder two things. The first one is just who side is everyone on? And the other is I think many people actually do not care about any of this other than they hate Bush just to hate what he stands for and unless they can in some way tie a subject to him as some kind of political attack it is of no interest to them.


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Yeah, I wonder about that too. There's been times where I started a very important ABN stories that apply to everyone here, but I get no feedback at all. Yet, somebody gets a bump behind their ear and posters come out of the woodwork to reply. Funky priorities.

Cuhail

PS- Let's not stray too much from the OP though, huh?

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It all boils down to what makes news. What are the basic news elements? There are six (or seven according to other textbooks):

1. Timeliness
2. Proximity
3. Prominence
4. Consequence
5. Human Interest
6. Conflict
7. Oddity

Here's a breakdown of what it means:

• Proximity: This has to do with location. If the event is happening close by, it will impact your readers more than if it is happening across town, or across the world, all other considerations being equal. A dance at your school, for instance, is more newsworthy than a dance at another school.
• Prominence: This has to do with how well known the people involved in your story are. If the person or persons are well known to your readers, the story will impact your readers more than a similar story involving people they do not know.
• Timeliness: If something is happening NOW, it has more impact than something that happened yesterday or last week. Often, the most recent development is the feature of the story.
• Oddity: If something is unusual, the oddity alone can make it newsworthy, because people want to know why it has happened.
• Consequence: If the impact of an event on your readers is major, they want to know all about it. For instance, they might not care that a particular street is being shut down for repairs, until it is brought to their attention that this will reroute the major portion of the traffic into their residential areas. This will affect them in a significant way, and they will want to know about it.
• Conflict: Readers have an interest in disagreements, arguments, fights and rivalries. If an event has conflict attached to it, many readers will be interested on that basis alone. Stories that involve conflict are those about sports, trials, war, politics and even Congressional debates.
• Human interest: If a situation makes you angry, sad, happy or overjoyed, it contains the news element of human interest.
Some stories are newsworthy on this basis alone.

Source

In your example about American soldiers or someone being pepper sprayed, it satisfies at least 4 out of the 6 elements of news, at least for Americans. Why Americans? That's the main target audience on this site, as evidenced by the media kit.

The news in the OP however, from an American perspective would seem to satisfy only 2 or 3 news elements at best -- timeliness, conflict and maybe human interest.

Originally posted by Cuhail

Yeah, I wonder about that too. There's been times where I started a very important ABN stories that apply to everyone here, but I get no feedback at all. Yet, somebody gets a bump behind their ear and posters come out of the woodwork to reply. Funky priorities.

Cuhail

PS- Let's not stray too much from the OP though, huh?

Ya you are right Cuhail. I'll get back on track.

One must ask oneself what would be the motivation to kill indiscriminately like this and we start to see a picture of a group of people who are willing to do anything to further their cause. Their cause is not one of religion, but more of total control using religion as a reason. These are worlds of not only the “haves” and the “haves not”, but more “have everything” or “have absolutely nothing”.

Women were nothing more than livestock with no future than pleasing their man and raising his children in slavery. Even education was denied them for it was not needed to do the slave work that was forced on them. If a family was not part of the major faction then not being killed made them one of the lucky ones. Now this also meant they had no rights in anyway, but at least they were not dead.

This was much like Saddam’s direction of thinking too, and is the root that these terrorist fight for. Because of this they have zero respect for life even their own in many cases. It is the mentally that instead of voting for who will lead they want to fight and the last person standing is the leader.
Now take this type of mentally that is throughout the Middle East and bring it to America. Does anyone wonder why after reading about the indiscriminate killing of 60 children that it is important to keep it over there and not let it come to our doorsteps?

Originally posted by Cuhail
I have to admit, I wondered that same thing. How many future terrorists were eliminated in that blast.
Then I berated myself for wondering that.

I thought that too, but then I also thought that it could have been the next great leader who settles everything as well... we'll never know now.

I read the news posts but very rarely do I have anything to contribute on them because a lot of times it just gets me so angry and all I'd do is rant... and have nothing of value to contribute.

Originally posted by Who Dares Wins
Thats terrible, my thoughts and prayers go out to the familys of those children. What a shame.

But, i wonder how many of them kids may have grown up to become terrorists themselvs??

Now we'll never know.

That is a callous but rather interesting statement. When you look at the big picture of what Iraq/Afghanistan are all about in gaining their freedom it is more about not being an extremist than anything else. With an extremist group in control like the Taliban you have a whole country of children that are raised to hate everything that is not aligned to their extreme beliefs, and we are now experiencing generations of this. The only way to break this chain is to remove these extremist and allow future generations to prosper in a world of tolerance and moderation. There was a good chance that those 60 children were on their way to becoming the first generation over there to accomplish this in many decades or more.

Past generations are lost, and so we must protect the future ones to have any success over there.

This is sad and upsetting, but I don't see any Americans condemning their own soldiers when they go nuts and start executing innocent civilians and drop bombs on hospitals, orphanages and use white phosphouros, napalm etc...

It seems to be a case of, if the perpetrator is Islamic (well not Islamic, but some sort of mutant, twisted fanatic - as Islam is a peaceful religion by rule) they get called every name under the sun, but if it's some joey Yankboy in a helicopter who blasts the crap out of a hospital, then they are considered hero's.

The murder of children by anyone is a horrendous crime, just a shame some of you patriots on here can't see further than the borders of your own country.

Sick.

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I disagree Mr Lizard. I've seen a bunch of threads and posts refering to soldiers refraining from firing because innocent civilians were in their line of fire. I'm also pretty sure we don't target civilian facilities in some nefarious way (as you describe). The picture you paint is wrong. Plain wrong.
This:

It seems to be a case of, if the perpetrator is Islamic (well not Islamic, but some sort of mutant, twisted fanatic - as Islam is a peaceful religion by rule) they get called every name under the sun, but if it's some joey Yankboy in a helicopter who blasts the crap out of a hospital, then they are considered hero's.

...is just ridiculous. I disagree whole-heartedly.
It sounds like you're cranky about something else and this thread just fueled the fire.

Islam is a peaceful doctrine until radicals select certain ideals and twist them into reasons for the above attack and others. To turn this thread on it's head because you're having a bad day is, in my opinion, rude.

Cuhail

Is always sad news when children a caught in the middle of the struggles in any nation.

But I find interesting what may have been the intended target among the death.

from the source

Among the lawmakers listed as dead was Mustafa Kazemi, the former commerce minister and spokesman for the opposition, who is also a top warlord in the region

Interesting that I found this other link with some background on Mr. Mustafa Kazemi.

Sayed Mustafa Kazemi served as the Commerce Minister and later the spokesman for the United National Front, a political group made up of many former strongmen and 'warlords' who oppose the Karzai administration

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www.afgha.com.../4867

It kind of makes you wonder as who really did the killing and who was the easier tagert for the blaming.


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are so many kids stuck in war zones, cowering with their mothers in rubble strewn streets, while the fathers grab their AK and run out to fight. I don't know

There are also many many children who are not cowering w/ their mothers, but fighting along sides of the adult men.

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You have no clue what you are speaking of, and just insulted a bunch of American military who post on and read this board.

You are so far off in left field its really sad. The mentality you have our military is what is sick.

This article is about Islamic extremists, who make their own rules blowing away a bunch of kids. Stick to the topic. These same people would love to kill you too, just because.

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mr lizard, if a stray american bomb or shell hit the sugar factory and killed 60 children, it would be way bigger than this. oh yes, there'd be a massive thead about it with tons of people hating on the american military, without a doubt.

so in essence i think you have it wrong there, no offense.

Originally posted by marg6043

It kind of makes you wonder as who really did the killing and who was the easier tagert for the blaming.

I truly don't think the Afghan Army or Intel Service under Karzai has the means and will to carry out such an attack accurately like that.

It's really got Al-Qaeda/Taliban written all over it.. IMO

Actually been a warlord and opposing to the Karzai Government that is backed up by the US it kind of make Mr. Kazemi a very strong opponent to the US government if he would have gotten enough political support to take karzai from power.

Sometimes littler things like this means nothing when the first thing to show for, is the among of Innocent children targeted along with the intended target.

But anybody that doesn't think that in order to maintain forced stable conditions all means are taken into consideration specially when lives are so expendable in the middle east this days.

Squashing the opposition before it has time to grow is not uncommon in the way wars are been fought in the middle east now a day by all the parties, nations and sectarian factions involved.



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Marg has a vary good point here. I can almost be sure that it was not the children that were the target of this attack. Killing the children would do nothing to help their cause.

Things happen during war. It's that same thing I would say if it was the US military in that position. I have to be fair.

It is yet another sad day for these families. My thoughts are with those who perished as well.

Unfortunately I no longer believe in all these stories constantly blamed on Taliban & Al-Qaeda. Especially not Al-Qaeda considering the ties between the Bush and Bin Laden families. To me, these are just more stories to further enhance the fear of the public. Emotionally they capture you and form links with previously known "terrorist" groups.

If you research you will easily come upon these ties between both families.
Don't believe everything you see / hear in the media, especially the "Big" networks, they are controlled by the government in order to manipulate human thought.

Peace

Well this story is getting more interesting, now is some conspiracies around that he was been targeted for a long time along with other parliaments members opposing to the Afghanistan government

Nobody have a clear understanding of the killing but they know the repercussions on the death of Mr. Kazimi.

Also is rumors that Pakistan is involve on the killing

World News
Afghanistan rocked by northern bombing: Bearing all the hallmarks of a targeted political assassination the question must be asked, what role did Pakistan's ISI play?

Very interesting developments here.

In my opinion this is more of an internal struggle that anything else.

The killing of Sayed Mustafa Kazimi, the 45-year-old Hazara Shi'ite leader from Parwan province of Afghanistan, to the northwest of Kabul, bears all the hallmark of a political assassination

.

Interesting but I feel that this may be the reason.

The denial of involvement by the main Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahed, is unlikely to be taken seriously. But the incident once again draws attention to the problem that under the guise of the Taliban insurgency, many forces are operating.

www.saltspringnews.com...

I also feel that under the Taliban finger pointing many other political assassinations and many other suspicious killings are happening.

Is like everybody with agendas in the middle east is cashing out on the Taliban bad evil reputation.