Civil War II: The Coming Breakup of America

I don't think that the people will be fighting there own military but the UN and other hired gun's and other brain washed Americans trying to make a name for there self just to move up

Originally posted by CANADIAN-guerilla
i have this in PDF format
a pretty good read
some of this is already showing up in current news

all i can say is
i'm glad i'm in Canada

You have this in PDF??? any chance I can ask you for a copy? I'd be very interested in reading this, especially the survival tips.

Honestly there is no need for open armed conflict. Look at how the communist / dictator type goverments were overthrown in eastern Europe. No violence was needed. The people simply massed in the city center and literally stopped everything until their demands were met.

In Poland they stopped going to work and blocked all roads into the capitol and protested for weeks on end.

All we need to do is simply stop playing their game and cooperating within their system.

Imagine if say 5 million americans went to Washington DC and jammed up all the roads and refused to leave until the Constitution was restored. The police couldnt possibly do anything to that amount of people.

admriker444, very good point. Sometimes armed conflict is just a minority seeking to have a majority voice.

However, I sincerely wonder if a similar thing could ever happen in the US.

It seems that the tendency (whether planned or natural remains to be seen) is for Americans to isolate themselves. We seem to be crowded together in cities for the most part, or within a comfortable drive of them, but seek to isolate ourselves from most interaction with our neighbors etc. We have ipods so we don't have to talk to people on the subway or the train or the sidewalk. We have movies delivered right to our house so we don't have to a crowded theater to see them. We watch on the news people who just want to be left alone get burned alive in Waco, or shot on Ruby Ridge and then are told that they were terrorist, or aggressors or whatever the scary label is at the time. We wag our heads and wonder what the world is coming to, but we seldom assemble ourselves together in protest and when we do see people protesting, the way it is portrayed is that there are a couple of malcontent, extremists making all the noise and all they want is to cause trouble.

A good man once said, "For evil men to rise, good men need to simply do nothing."

Perhaps some here are not old enough to remember the 60's in America, but alot of us are.
Our history is full of stories of civil disobediance when attempting to change how our society is governed or " justice" is dispensed.
To go back further, research " the bonus army" after WW1.
In that instance hundreds of thousands of veterans descended on Washington to protest inequities in how WW1 vets were being treated. They were met with violence in which the U S Army moved in and opened fire.
In the 60's many non violent demonstrations for civil rights were met with violence.
Many student " sit ins" to protest the war in Vietnam were met with violence, and in one case the National guard opened fire on unarmed protesters at Kent State University.
If anything our government is even more repressive than it was in the past.
If anything the general public is even more angry than they were back then.
In those past instances there were minorities protesting and seeking to bring about change.
What will it be like today when it's the majority that is angered by injustice and armed ?
What will be the end result when our government now has " legal" recourse to address dissent with violence simply by portraying any protest as a subversive uprising?
I fear any march in mass numbers on Washington would be met with force which will be answerd with force.
As has been pointed out, the goverment has superior technology for wageing war to put down an insurection.
What has been overlooked is the millions of war veterans now in the public who remember thier skills and will resort to thier experience and training if they are forced to.
The only thing worse than an active duty machine gunner following orders, is that same 50 cal. operated by a vet with a vengence.
One ,perhaps overlooked, by product of the draft is a huge population of vets in civilian life most of which have felt the sting of an ungreatful goverment.
Payback's a ....... !

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Originally posted by Roper
What in the world are you talking about? Bush is not running for office! Theses reports you refer to are just loony-toon. How can anyone believe this? I know in the age of the "net" that anyone can say anything but you don't need to believe it!

lol...thank you.

just to put forward, the book mentioned describes a civil war to primarily be based around race and ethnicity. which if you look at Yugoslavia, is a whole different ball game than politics.

reply to post by funny_pom


Not sure if anyone has posted this before on this thread. But Orson Scott Card recently wrote a book, titled Empire:

Amazon : Empire

The premise is very interesting. Orson Scott Card predicts in the not so distant future a possible Civil War would not be between North and South. It would be between Red and Blue states -- Republicans vs. Democrats.

I don't think this is all that remote.

reply to post by guppy


Then there is another book called "Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse." Written by a former Army intelligence officer anticipating a depression followed by mass violence.


Not so much a civil war scenario as a realistic complete economic shut-down and a great rise in civil unrest. The market collapses over the period of about a month in the book, the FDIC can't perform, gasoline is rationed and cheaper if you pay with cash, and ultimately everything breaks down into such a mess, with so much crime all over the country, that the UN is called in to maintain order. People are looting stores, blocking highways and looting oncoming traffic, breaking into each others' houses, etc.


IMO the chances of the UN being brought in as described in this book, are more realistic than a civil war. People fight the UN forces here on the mainland US in the book, but they aren't US forces anymore. A lot of foreigners. Btw, the UN already has military vehicles and etc. set up here in the US.

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Originally posted by bsbray11
reply to post by guppy

 

Then there is another book called "Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse." Written by a former Army intelligence officer anticipating a depression followed by mass violence.
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It was originally called Triple Ought but was renamed PATRIOTS, its by James Wesley Rawles who also runs a survival blog that is quite popular with the gun obessed of north america

Y'know from this side of the pond ,when I read many of the posts from some American subscribers I get the impression not only that the main cause for a civil war in the US is most likely to be caused by a wave of fear and paranoia, I cant help but feel that many of the normally wonderful american people are getting quite paranoid just as they did in the Mc Carthy Era. Everyone is out to get them, Commies, anti Gun lobbies, South Americans, Chinese, Cuba, The arabs nations, Muslims, African Americans, Hispanics, you name it theres are palpable fear of something unknown coming out of the US. I am beginning to think there is a chance of insurection in the US and it will be caused by the very patriots themselves looking for unspecific bad guys behind every door.

reply to post by Northern Raider


N.R. Most of us really arent as paranoid as we seem. Most patriots I know take care of themselves and are watchful and mindfull of those who may wish to infringe on our rights, not just our 2nd Ammendment, but any part of our Constitution. Yes, there are the fanatics looking to usurp any preceived threat with force, but for the most part, we are peaceful but mindfull.

Alot of the fear you see is perpetuated by our media, China is coming, guns are evil, the economy is doomed, gas prices will force you to starve. Its a bunch of retoric that the sheeple here believe and help to create this hysteria.

My take on the whole thing is as simple as the Boy Scouts, Be Prepared. Sure the economy may collapse, the Chinesse may come, civil war may break out, but who knows really? Just as long as you have a good head on your shoulders and pay attention, you should do fine. However, thats my take, sadly, there are simply too many people and not just Americans feeding into this McCarthy era fear.

As for a civil war in the US? Sure, it could happen. Some think it would be a UN force coming in to create a NWO which I can see the reasoning for that, some think it could be a class war with the the poor hammering the rich (recent economic troubles lend credibility to this) also others think it could be a race war. Minorities angry with the whites, whites angry about special benefits for minorities, I could see that as well.

Only time and the powers that be can answer these questions. But for those on the other side of the pond, know there are alot of good Americans who believe in freedom and honor who arent scared, only prepared to deal with whatever threat comes calling.

reply to post by salchanra


A very well thought out post.My feelings exactly.Hope for the best and expect the worst.You will never be disappointed. A star for you!

I haven't read the book but from what everyone says about it sounds more like political fantasy. From the comments on the thread, I'd say this thread is in the wrong place and should be placed over in the ATS political forum.

My $.02 worth.

America was born in blood. America suckled on blood. America gorged on blood and grew into a giant, and America will drown in blood. This is the spectre that is haunting America, the spectre of Civil War II, a second civil war that will shatter America into several new ethnically-based nations. Many will denounce this truth as racist and as a call to violence. It is neither. Rather, it is the result of an objective examination of the historic, demographic, political, economic, and military developments that are relentlessly propelling America towards a second civil war. Simply and directly put, America will explode in tribal warfare in our lifetime and shatter into several new ethnically-based nations. And as America breaks up the very concept of multiethnic democracy will likewise be forever shattered. Artillery will blast our cities to flaming wastelands infested with psychotic snipers. Packs of feral dogs will tear at charred corpses hanging out of burnt-out tanks. Long columns of doomed refugees will clog our highways. Bands of guerrillas will stalk about the countryside— raping, looting, murdering, clashing with each other. Food production will all but cease. The hungry will fight to the death over scraps of garbage. Millions will starve, and millions more will die from infectious diseases. Behold the vision of Civil War II.

The opening paragraph of the book, Civil War II by Thomas W. Chittum

I believe that for any organized "warfare" to be initiated within a nation such as the US of A, it must be absolutely ethnically orientated. any political action that could start civil unrest would eventually end up, in the worst case scenario, with fighting between ethnic militias of some variety. see the LA riots of '92, an example commonly referred to in the book as it is a clear indication as to what will happen in an ethnically diverse community during a time of unrest.

reply to post by ChrisF231


Chris,
Yes, I have read the book and while most of Chittum's references are to 2050, on page 129 of the pdf he brings the date down to 2020, and that was estimated before 911 and all our other border problems, not to mention the current Presidential race! It seems we are speeding toward this crisis even earlier than 2020. You mention Chittum's revised edition dated 2006 and Wikipedia references a version updated in 2007. I have searched the Internet as well as American Eagle Publications and cannot locate a copy. Can anyone help me find this update or sell me one.



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How might such a war play out. I wonder? Would it be civilians versus the military? Or would certain factions of the existing US Army, Navy and Air Force under the leadership of their respective Generals turn against each other? Would at least some of the Armed Services side with the populace?

reply to post by red_leader


i believe it would be a combination of everything. If a civil war style event occurred it would spark off ethnic groups, as well as government separatism to varying degrees. essentially it would be full of opportunists with a view to possible power, and the eventual abuse of it.
once civil unrest occurs anything could, and will happen, relative to the degree of unrest. if a rebel political faction were to rise up, say, and deliver some serious damage to the existing government it would open up windows for existing criminal elements, as well as all mentionable ethnic groups to take up the opportunity for power at hand. given the racial and cultural diversity of the US of A there is likely to be a massive variety in the sort of conflict.

whether or not it will be a predominantly politically based event i can not say, but realistically there is a significantly greater chance that it will be originally ethnically orientated with a great number of politically based conflicts being waged as a result.

reply to post by pluckynoonez


A new book about a NEW CIVIL WAR is soon to be published.

The title is:

The First Battle of the New Civil War

To be released in April of 2009