How do we do what's best for the truth?

I personally think that the official story is ... well ... not entirely truthful. For what reasons? I have no idea. I have my theories but theories are not what we should be debating in my opinion. Unfortunately these theories get the most attention. Even from people who just want to know the facts. The wilder the theory the more attention it gets. The more attention it gets the more crazy people think that the whole idea that the official story is intrue is just crazy. If the people interested in fact focused on that and let others focus on theory a lot more could be accomplished. But they deserve to be heard too. The basically believe the same thing you do -- that the official story is untrue.

Just look at the way people that speak out are treated. Rosie, Charlie Sheen, and all the way down to those members of Bill Maher's audience are are called crazies or fringe or even unpatriotic. Not just by the mainstream either. Even by the people who share their basic views. "Thats not who I'd want representing the truth movement." I think that some of the antics are extreme but they are getting the word out in big, big ways.

Let's help by not attacking like everyone else. People have demonstrated their opinions like this forever in this country. It eventually builds and builds. A lot of people are really now starting to find more visible ways of showing it and reaching other people. Maybe more people will speak up who've never visited a site like this will know that others share their suspicions. The more people who believe the less crazy the thought seems.

Let's all find one thing we can agree on and focus on that. Facts. Stop giving wild theories so much attention but accept that other people believe the same basic lie and want the same thing: the truth. Stop attacking other people who believe the same basic lies but act a little wild or go to extremes to be heard. Band together. There have to be millions who suspect something is just not right. The No Planers ... the celebrities ... the researchers ... the experts ... some guy in an office somewhere who just has doubts. We all believe we just all believe in different ways people!

Band together with facts (not theories) and demand one thing and only one thing: A TRUE investigation into what happened on 9/11 based only on fact! Have fun debating theories and maybe devote more attention to facts ... and uniting together to demand them, but it should matter more finding out who did this than debating who we think did this. That investigation is the only way we're going to get facts.

Maybe someone smarter than myself can find a way to bring all of these people together. Focus on pure fact and really, truly be heard. There are lots of smarter people then myself that visit this forum so I have a question:

How can we find a way for ALL 9/11 truthers .. no matter how fact obsessed, wild theory believing, or outspoken ... to come together and demand facts and answers? How could this be achieved? We all share a common goal, so can't we find a way to achieve the ends? If it could be done it could it actually affect change? Don't you think it would be the best thing for us? Maybe we'd find out what really did happen?

I think the bottom line for us is to simply spread information that exposes our governments as frauds, etc, the more people that know- the better.

reply to post by SpookshowJon


Hi Jon,

I don't understand... you don't believe the Offical Reports, but you don't know why... and you have no facts to back up your opinions?

I'm curious as so why you have drawn the conclusion that the government was involved in 911.

Originally posted by SpookshowJon
Band together with facts (not theories) and demand one thing and only one thing: A TRUE investigation into what happened on 9/11 based only on fact!

mrwupy

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Please wake me with tsome facts that prove the government was involved. Talking for 6 years about it does not make any theories factual.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


I know this doesn't prove anything conclusive but "guilty demeanor" is rampant. You can see it on their faces. Why are they hiding if they are innocent? Of course, my opinion.

reply to post by Griff


Griff... my wife walked in on me here in my office 30 minutes ago.... told me i was looking at porn.... I told her the truth, that i was doing Ct stuff... she said... "you look like the cat that ate the canary." I looked guilty to her...but I wasn't! She could prove nothing! ( then I showed here my history files)

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
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Please wake me with tsome facts that prove the government was involved. Talking for 6 years about it does not make any theories factual.

If I had facts that the government was involved I wouldn't be talking to you, I'd be running for my life.

Thats why it's called a conspiracy, silly

It is not wrong to look under every rock when a great tragedy has occurred. It is wrong to bury your head under one though.

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Mr. Wupy ~

I understand they are theories.... but you stated that people don't want to be woken up.

Therfore I asked you to wake me up... I do know about the 911 commission with Bush not being questioned alone. Although VERY strange...it's not unlike him. How many live press confrences have you seen him have?? I don't know the number, but it is the fewest in recent history. This does not offer any proof though that he was behind the attacks.

I didn't say he was behind the attacks, only that the truth has not come out.

It's possible he knew before hand what was going to happen, and did nothing.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm only saying we have not been told the truth.

I believe we have a right to the truth.

This is all that I ask, and it's not too much to ask.

Sorry ... I didn't say that the government was involved in 9/11. I didn't point fingers at all except at the official version of events ... it's just that the official story doesn't seem to quite add up (to me).

Why? It just doesn't. I'm quite sure I don't need facts to have an opinion. But some of the facts just don't seem right. I'm sure lots of people feel this way.

reply to post by SpookshowJon


Tell me what you think does not add up. I'm not saying I have all the answers ..... but Im curious.

I have rarely seen a person in reality acting like Bill-O, or any of those other characters on television.

When I talk to people about this stuff, I find that generally they are open minded and interested. You occasionally get the old bigot who stubbornly refuses to listen to anything that doesn't echo what they already believe, but you can't help them anyway.

Originally posted by SpookshowJon
Band together with facts (not theories) and demand one thing and only one thing: A TRUE investigation into what happened on 9/11 based only on fact!

The problem with this is that when folks with the knowledge to bring together real facts on the subject, do, and the results don’t agree with a certain conspiracy, then the followers of that theory dismiss those facts as being disinformation. To be honest in everything that I have seen, there is vastly less fact in the truth movement than in the official story. Even on this site, many of the folks who have professional experience in these subjects, and give their own time to write on these subjects, are quickly considered to be disinfo agents, then group attacked by truthers, simply because they punch a hole in this theory or that.

Because of this the whole 911 thing will never get or go anywhere.

When I saw the buildings fall on tv that morning, the first thing that came to my mind after I regained my composure from having witnessed those scenes of horrible death, was the condemned building demolitions we all have watched on the cable channels. I was embarrassed to be thinking that. When I saw building 7 fall later that day, I couldn't believe the feeling I felt. More demolitions. And building 7 did not get hit with any plane. I used to be afraid of my feeling and opinion about it. I believe in the old stand-bys, like the industrial military complex, and how profit and power corrupt people. Things a lot of people will freely admit to their suspicions and knowledge of. 911 is no stretch from all of that. But all that stuff is also criminal. Yet, if their are any laws or guidelines governing industrial military complexes or high level, above the law corruption, there's not much enforcing going on, and not too many mouths running. Wouldn't want to sink any ships. Somebody did something they weren't supposed to do whether it was a "legitimate" terror act or not.

Defcon5,

I think yours is one of the most realistic statements I have ever read here on ATS concerning 9/11.

Very nicely done. No matter what you believe I have to agree that this "trueth movement" will never get to 2nd base.