How the sun really works

i think the sun is just normal where it works they way we think it does

scientists have been stuyding it for many years i think we have figured it out by now

Originally posted by Dark_Ace
i think the sun is just normal where it works they way we think it does

scientists have been stuyding it for many years i think we have figured it out by now

Do you have any reasoning for that opinion? or are you just putting your faith in a model that was proposed over sixty years ago and has not changed much since? i am curios.

Read the previous posts and dispute some of the points that have been raised, or you are not really adding anything to the debate.

[edit on 11-12-2007 by ZeuZZ]

A NEW DISCOVERY.

The Sun is Bristling with X-ray Jets

The article is actually very good news for electric theorists, more confirmation.

Dec. 06, 2007: Astronomers using Japan's Hinode spacecraft have discovered that the sun is bristling with powerful "X-ray jets." They spray out of the sun's surface hundreds of times a day, launching blobs of hot gas as wide as North America at a top speed of two million miles per hour.

X-rays are made by electricity.

Each jet is triggered by a magnetic eruption or "reconnection event"--essentially the same process that powers solar flares albeit on a much smaller scale.

Magnetic Reconnection is a myth, plasma cosmologists recognize this as a z-pinch effect.

Indeed, the jets may contribute significantly to the solar wind. Every day a hot, relentless wind of solar protons and electrons blows against Earth, deflected just before it can reach the atmosphere by our planet’s global magnetic field. Gusts in solar wind can cause bright auroras, power outages and other effects collectively known as "space weather." What drives this wind away from the sun? It's a question that has puzzled physicists for decades. Jets provide at least part of the answer:
"We've added up the mass flowing in these jets and it amounts to between 10% and 25% of the solar wind. That's a significant fraction,"

What drives the "wind" away from the sun? The same way particles are accelerated on Earth, in an electric field.

They do sound a little desperate to make sense of both the solar wind and the corona.

"If we add all the Alfven waves together, the ones from the chromosphere plus the ones from X-ray jets, it may be enough to solve the mystery of coronal heating," says Cirtain.

The answers have already been answered and demonstrated in technology in use constantly everyday all around the world.
This is a simple description of how X-rays a created on Earth.

The heart of an X-ray machine is an electrode pair -- a cathode and an anode -- that sits inside a glass vacuum tube. The cathode is a heated filament, like you might find in an older fluorescent lamp. The machine passes current through the filament, heating it up. The heat sputters electrons off of the filament surface. The positively-charged anode, a flat disc made of tungsten, draws the electrons across the tube.
The voltage difference between the cathode and anode is extremely high, so the electrons fly through the tube with a great deal of force. When a speeding electron collides with a tungsten atom, it knocks loose an electron in one of the atom's lower orbitals. An electron in a higher orbital immediately falls to the lower energy level, releasing its extra energy in the form of a photon. It's a big drop, so the photon has a high energy level -- it is an X-ray photon.

In the case of the solar system the Sun is the anode and the heliosphere acts as the cathode.

And even more confirmation, discoveries are happening so fast these days!

"The satellites have found evidence for magnetic ropes connecting Earth's upper atmosphere directly to the Sun," says Dave Sibeck, project scientist for the mission at the Goddard Space Flight Center. "We believe that solar wind particles flow in along these ropes, providing energy for geomagnetic storms and auroras."

A "magnetic rope" is a twisted bundle of magnetic fields organized much like the twisted hemp of a mariner's rope. Spacecraft have detected hints of these ropes before, but a single spacecraft is insufficient to map their 3D structure. THEMIS's five satellites were able to perform the feat.

Twisted magnetic ropes? I think we know what their talking about here, birkeland currents.

science.nasa.gov...
www.nasa.gov...

Also confirms something I've suspected all along.



Something could also be said for the relevance this has to mythology, ie ladder to heaven or the serpent rope archetype found all over the world.

Originally posted by squiz
And even more confirmation, discoveries are happening so fast these days!

Yes i noticed that there seems to be particular interest in this area recently, especially on the sun. There are now over thirty completely different solar models to try to explain coronal heating, sunspots and solar acceloration. They are all based on fluid equations that do not allow electric currents to effect their motion, so they are all flawed. I think that Thornhill will release an electrical model for stars in the next IEEE science journal., and i would not be surprised to see some new electrical models about online. A lot of scientists are becoming aware of this as a viable theory, considering there are more than thiry at the moment!

Something could also be said for the relevance this has to mythology, ie ladder to heaven or the serpent rope archetype found all over the world.

I think that is one of the best points about the mythology, the electric aurora's created in the sky could be the source of many ancient drawings of snakes, serpants and dragon like creatures that can be found in abundance all over the world.


I'd say that when they would draw something like this there is a high chance they would personify it and turn it into a serpant like creature. Which would explain all of the ancient archetypes of serpants and dragons.

In ancient times, electrical activity produced gigantic and violently metamorphosing formations above the ancient witnesses. According to Talbott and Thornhill, these terrifying apparitions were the true source of the enigmatic celestial serpents, dragons, cosmic mountains, long-tongued demons, and metamorphosing gods, goddesses, and heroes of the ancient world.

Currently science would say that the aurora is only visible at the poles, but there is no real explanation how people in China and India drew all of the serpant symbols, so that would imply that the aurora was going off all over the Earth, which may in turn have something to do with the output of the sun. Its all interesting stuff

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About or little discussion on Magnetics and electrics.

I know understand and believe what you said, I misunderstod your statement of electric current running in wires and the electricity of the plasma in the universe, wich are two different types of current.

To say that only electric currents make magnets, i have a little trouble with... how about the materials on earth that are naturally magnetic?
Would you say they have a state of plasma inside them? Or does thoose type of materials react to the outer plasma?

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As far as I know natural magnets are quite rare and induced by lighting strikes or during the solidification (creation) of a rock (it must have magnetic properties like magnetite) and its magnetized particles align with the earth's magnetic field. Ooo I found something, this explains it better.

Linky

As a volcanic rock cools, its temperature decreases past the Curie Temperature. At the Curie Temperature, the rock, being magnetic, begins to produce an induced magnetic field. In this case, the inducing field is the Earth's magnetic field. As the Earth's magnetic field changes with time, a portion of the induced field in the rock does not change but remains fixed in a direction and strength reflective of the Earth's magnetic field at the time the rock cooled through its Curie Temperature. This is the remanent magnetization of the rock - the recorded magnetic field of the Earth at the time the rock cooled past its Curie Temperature.

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But if what that source says is true, then natural magnets are made by the earths magnetic field and not by an electric current?

Electricity is the flow of both protons, electrons and electric charge. Magnetism is the result of the flow of the current whether the particles spins are aligned in the atomic structure of an object or flow freely in a current.
In a non magnetic object the spins are not aligned and cancel out the magnetic force. You can think of an electron as a tiny magnet.
Electricity is a generally misunderstood phenomena, I know I was and am still somewhat guilty of that, but I think that explanation would be accurate.


[edit on 20-12-2007 by squiz]

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Its kinda complicated and has to be worded properly to be understood and I dont know if I can do that. Natural magnets are not made by the earth's magnetic field, they are aligned with it. The source of why certain materials are like this is rather... well... according to wiki...

The property of ferromagnetism is due to the direct influence of two effects from quantum mechanics: spin and the Pauli exclusion principle.

We say ya!

But the important thing to remember is:
Source

The source of magnetism is moving charge.

Here is a good ATS thread that might help, "What is electricity EXCATLY?"

Yes, electric currents and magnetism are literally the same thing, electromagnetism. Where-ever you've got magnetism, there is electricity too.

Permanent magnets are due to the electron revolution around nuclei, which is in itself an electric current. The earths core and magnetic field are also expalined by electric currents.

www.rare-earth-magnets.com...

Magnetic forces are fundamental forces that arise due to the movement of electrically charged particles. The origin and behavior of these forces are described by Maxwell's equations.

Magnetic dipoles or magnetic moments can often result on the atomic scale due to the movements of electrons. Each electron has magnetic moments that originate from two sources. The first is the orbital motion of the electron around the nucleus. In a sense this motion can be considered as a current loop, resulting in a magnetic moment along its axis of rotation. The second source of electronic magnetic moment is due to a quantum mechanical property called spin.

I is a bit more complex than that. Well, if that is true, then EVERYTHING would be a permanent magnet, since every material has an "electron revolution around nuclei". But the fact that we don't, and only certain types are paramagnet, ferromagnet, etc., implies that it is a lot more complicated than that. Quantum magnetism is one of the most complex and complicated many-body problem as it encorporates spin.


This website has some really good diagrams; www.geocities.com...



Thats pretty much what forms magnetic fields, the movements of ions like electrons or protons.

[edit on 20-12-2007 by ZeuZZ]

Top O' The Mornin To Ya......

I've been interested in EU ever since I first heard James McCanney talking about his Electric Comet Models and how comets affect solar activity which in turn would affect earth weather as well. One thing that came to mind while reading through this thread was the possible correllations between Plasma Theory model and Ether Physics. Is it possible that the two are co-existant or even one in the same? I know that tesla believed in an Ether (or Aether). Einstein was eluded by some Cosmological Constant.....that may have been the Ether??....Would like to get your thoughts on this.

And keep up the great posts. I am intriged...

IMMENSE FLOWS OF CHARGED PARTICLES DISCOVERED BETWEEN THE STARS

I just found this press release from 2000, wich confirms plasma cosmology and the electromagnetic universe....

According to Anthony Peratt, Scientific Advisor to the United States Department of Energy and a plasma researcher at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico....

A plasma scientist and a radio astronomer announced the discovery of charged particle flows in interstellar space at the 1999 International Conference on Plasma Science in Monterey, California. The discovery culminated decades of speculation and debate whether or not electricity existed on the scale of hundreds of thousands of light years in the interstellar space between the stars.

very nice read... Source

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This might also be what Tesla was tapping into with his FREE ENERGY for everyone... What do you think?

[edit on 3-4-2008 by ElectricUncleSam]

Originally posted by squiz
A few more images from the above link.





My favorite.

Take a look at these, the so called Vincan protoalphabet signs, from which most European alphabets developed (Etruscan alphabet is completely from this Vincan pool, yet 4.000 years later).

www.omniglot.com...

Many of the signs match the above.

There is something strange going on with the sun!

Check this which is not Cam Flare!

tjsilver.com...

This was taken on a day a huge storm was rolling in!

It was the only day in over a week the sun was visible because of clouds!

I found it very odd!