William Cooper calls Alex Jones SCAREMONGER Jesuit-CIA

Alex Jones does not like competition I have heard him accusing Cooper of being a scaremonger as well in the end it would be wise to remember these guys were competing for leadership in the patriot movement.

I think the problem is everybody is still looking for a 'leader' of some kind. Alex Jones can be a bit annoying with his 'last stand at the Alamo' routine and chest beating but he has a lot to offer. Same with paranoic recluse Alan Watt. Same with Bill Cooper ( Aliens for #'s sake!). The point is: NONE OF THESE PEOPLE ARE PERFECT. Nothing in life is complete. No person is complete. It's up to YOU. Yes, YOU! To disseminate the information and work it out for yourselves. Do the research. Read about Zionism. Maybe it's true. Maybe it isn't. But for God's sake make your own mind up and stop expecting others to do it for you.

There is a simple rule to follow:

If he survives, he is more disinformation/harm than good

If he is killed, he said too much.

So Cooper is probably closer to the truth than Jones...

Extremist that mix truth with a considerable dose of BS are tolerated because they disgust normal/non-paranoid people. Most conclude that there is nothing to it, so all kinds of conspiracy become easier to hide.

why do you think this website is tolerated? Even if the truth occasionally show up amidst the babble, it's soon doubted and forgotten.

reply to post by Norio Hayakawa


Personally I want to bang all your heads together. It appears you have something the rest of the world havent, and that is including my Ignorant UK, Im sitting here reading your threads about who was more important about releasing what information who released??? its sad.

From what I can see your Alex Jones has been extremely important in drawing attention to 9/11 heck he has even drawn atention to our 7/7 bombings when nobody else did. That has to be worth something.

One thing I cant understand is :- dont get me wrong on this but why do you people fight amoung yourselves to become the greatest person to release the most information? Im just curious? Woudnt it be better joining forces?

What I dont understand is obviously the most important thing is getting the message out :- is it not? so why is bill cooper complaining about Alex Jones? This is not an attack on Bill Cooper, I liked what Cooper released but perhaps he should have used his head before mounting that attack. What Im trying to say is isnt it better focused elsewhere???

Sometimes you have you have to look from outside in and see you havent got it bad after all, well from my standpoint of ignorance your not the most ignorant nation on earth but you act like you are.

Give yourselves some credit.

Its just my observation anyway, its not an attack on you.

Morgs


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I viewed a link in this thread: www.mindcontrolforums.com...

I wonder if this relates to the Cayley/Casey Anthony case and her father attempting suicide. What is said to have triggered him to run was his wife suggesting he find some jewelry to bury her with.

Why would a decomposed body need jewelry?

Why did that set him off to a remote motel to 'make sure she was in the arms of God'?

Alex Jones is one of my favorite conversational punching bags.

There's no need for Alex Jones to be a CIA asset because he's a showman. He'll grand-stand on any issue that raises his profile. That's not an accusation, that's a simple fact. Why is it that Alex Jones's information only ever circles the periphery of the topics that William Cooper exposed? Why not call out Christianity as a modern adaptation of the ancient mystery religion as Cooper did? Because all those gun toting Christians in Texas would lynch him... and his ratings would be zero.

If you remember AJ back before he married Violet (she was his girlfriend/call screener, then webmaster), you'll remember the absolute non-sense about Waco and Ruby Ridge... all of which has been proven no less than 50% snake-oil. It was upon those tragedies that Jones launched his career. He simply tapped into the growing mainstream acceptance of CTs and Y2K hysteria. TV shows such as the X-Files and Millennium were #1 in their time slot during the same period of time.

Fast forward 12 years. If Alex Jones really was telling the "truth" all this time, would he be allowed to walk around? Why is it that William Cooper died under questionable circumstances and Jones has been elevated to #1 in "alternative" news sources?

Is Alex Jones an asset... or is it more likely that he is so far off base it serves as an excellent distraction from what is really going on? The reason he continues to be off base is because he likes to be "Alex Jones" as opposed to truly speaking truth to power.

What would happen to all those AJ fanboi's if they actually started to think for themselves...

I am not one who agrees that wrong information being screamed from the rooftops is better than no one talking at all. Mark Twain shares my opinion.

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Bill Cooper's life and what he stood for seems to me at least an honest exercise in the exploration of a mans personal exogenisis in relation to a "road to Damascus" moment. Mmost people on a path have this moment. It seems theoretically the purpose of "Ufo" phenomena to do just that.

Bill seemed to be on an authentic mission based on is own personal life changing experience. There was no career goal, I'm sure a "radio/media career" was as far from his mind when he first started out on his "seeker" path. When one looks at his life as anyone who has any interest in this website (and the predilictions of those that waste time here should) one can see how a man who witnessed a UFO and had his paradigm shattered in his attempt to uncover the truth went from ETs to the secret government then to exopoliticaly relevant issues. He did so off his own back and with no vocation or paycheck in mind. There seems to be a lack of rhetoric or anger for angers sake. It was enough to make connections and pull at threads and shatter the looking glass but ultimately he found out we need to do so for ourselves.

This seems like a shared resolution with other like minded people who have treaded carefully or trudged murkily through the morass of moraly ambiguous paranoia, foolishness, conspiracy and lies. Once you have done through all this sifting sand and not fallen for the "blinds" placed to hide truth from the foolish and provided you havent gone mad in the process what you are left with is: all is not what it seems, don't take someone else's word for it, FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF AND QUESTION EVERYTHING. Bill would be the first to say so, dont take his word for it.

The power mongers must love a website like this, everybody chasing each others shadows, alluding to them more power and worth then they have the imagination to dream up themselves. Its like a one stop shop for people to check how far their disinfo is working. They just sit back and let us do it for them! Lets stir up fear and give "them" an underfeatable coat of alien technology and billions of nazi gold and trillions of arab-viet drug money. Most scared lonely people trapped by insecurity and paranoia by the mass media and their own subtle chemical dependencies really need "truth sayers" to tell them that Ho Chi Minh via ouiji boards nano weather HAARp technology via an undergound bunker in Dulce is going to fry their brain via their cable box the minute they think "bad thoughts". Even if you were to spell out this as truth for some kind of service to humanity you would giving them more power and playong into their hands. More better for you to do your own research, make your own decisions, reach your own verdicts, find your own spring boards.

It seems to me, again this is personal opinion, Alex Jones is to William Cooper as Dennis Leary is to Bill Hicks.

It is hard to believe or not be taken in by the veracity of so called truth sayers. It requires your wits about you, but at the end of the day if it doesnt have some kind of personal or emotional veracity to the statement it is of little consequence, just another dog chasing its tail getting all heated up.

As an analogy; The xfiles was entertaining, well the first series anyway, mostly all the stories were based on fact per se, but is it enough for you to sit back and say," yeah Mulder and Scully handled that one, nailed that Chupacabre Grey Time continuim thing straight up, I dont even have to say or do anything, theyre doing it for me cos theyre putting the truth out there, letting people know".

I'm still not sure what to think. States are succedeing, the economy is windeing down Obama gleefully pleads to us to let the govornment take care of all of us and our guns. Even if we want it or not. FEMA camps and the fairness doctine attempting to make a comeback we my have a muzzle on the last beacon of free speech talk raidio. I have been listeing to talk raidio non stop since Obama slithered into the whitehouse. I am addicted as I listen to Alex Jones, Glen Beck, Michael Savage and even Rush the windbag on a daily basis.
So uh whos telling the truth all of them are calling for we the people to pull together and fight this socialist state. Not many will admit or even talk about the shadow government, 911 turth or FEMA. Is it too late or what? Well we did have Bush sign us up for the NAU a few years ago...


The so called conspiracy theory crowd cannot get along with one another. Most stick to their own veiw and dont accept veiws that don't follow theirs. Jones was interveiwed by Channel 5 for David Icke: was he right documentary. due to daves thinking about lizard people he said "He has some good ideas but they are like crapping in the puch bowel".
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I recently read Behold a Pale Horse and I hope there is nothing to what Bill said. Look around at the world now what he said at a podium in 91 is comming to pass.
Yesterday someone brought up Bill during a call in and Alexe's reply was "he cussed at me, he was crazy and It's a shame and I feel sorry for him". After hearing that I got a sinking feeling in my gut, I hope like hell I was just hungry. See ya at Government Summer camp at 4 am on Christmas. They give out free mark of the beast chips, I hear.

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If you think Alex Jones is a "Jesuit" disinfo agent, then you have probably never heard his show.

Fear is a very effective control mechanism. After listening to his show the message is clear. We are powerless. By going against the status quo you are at risk of being put on the red list or blue list. By protesting you are at risk of being imprisoned or shot with a microwave gun. I walk away from his show with hopelessness. You tell me who's purpose that serves.

Originally posted by thetruth777
If you think Alex Jones is a "Jesuit" disinfo agent, then you have probably never heard his show.


Provide up with proof that Alex is disinfo besides an outdated link. Provide us with proof that Alex has NOT waken coultless people up to the New World Order. Provide us with proof that UN declassified documents stating that we need an '80% population reduction' are "fear mongering".

I think I would have to go with Bill cooper on this one. It doesn't make much sense for a ultra-powerful Ultra-secret society to allow Alex Jones to exist. They could have wiped him out in a heartbeat and made it look like an accident. No, I believe they are using him to do their dirty work. To whip up hysteria and get people rioting in the streets through the guise of "educating the masses about the bilderburg and the NWO". He is either on purpose or by accident being used by these people to create an atmosphere of fear and distrust of their government to the point that rioting and civil unrest will be their exucse in the U.S. to impose martial law

Originally posted by alienesque

Originally posted by Norio Hayakawa
Here's an Oldie but Goodie:

William Cooper calls Alex Jones SCAREMONGER Jesuit-CIA:

Most everybody in this forum knows that William ("Bill") Cooper, former UFO researcher-turned one-man anti-government militiaman, died in 2001 in Eagar, Arizona in a confrontation with the local sheriffs.

Here is an interesting 1999 radio broadcast of his in which he slams Alex Jones for whipping up unnecessary hysteria. He says that this discredits patriots and may even given an excuse for government crackdown and armies in the streets.

William Cooper alleges that he was the one who uncovered the 9/11 plot a few months before Alex Jones.

What's hilarious is that Cooper was just as proficient in SCAREMONGERING as Alex Jones is:

You can listen here:
PART I:
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PART II:
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PART III:
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for more on William "Bill" Cooper:
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i heard this a while ago and it sort of confuses me...cooper plays the part where alex says that hundreds of thousands are dying in bosnia...then says 'well..are they...are hundreds of thousands dying in bosnia?'

and william cooper fans just believe him blindly and dont check...

...yes...hundreds of thousands were being killed..mr cooper just didnt know.

this sounds to me like a 'im the real deal..hes not' crap argument...and it sort of discredits william cooper..

You're wrong. Alex Jones never said anything about Bosnia he was talking about the war in Chechnya. More wars that have gone on in the past 50 years was not going on at that time. The war in Chesnia had not claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. He's a liar, and Cooper was 100% correct. If people believed Bill without checking themselves it would be their own fault, he's only human and gets things wrong sometimes. He was correct about this though. I can tell you one thing, if you had called Bill or sent him a letter and proved that he was wrong he would have gone on the air and corrected himself. If you try that with Alex Jones he'll go nuts, cut you off and call you a COINTELPRO agent.

I have no opinion either way on whehter of not Jones is an asset, but he certainly fits the "rush" style of sensationalizing, using semantics to get people's ire up, etc. Generally speaking, anyone who has to sensationalize has another agenda....

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi

It's funny that Alex Jones fan boys parade around the illusion that Alex Jones is great because he "predicted" 9/11, but when presented with proof that William Cooper predicted the same thing Alex Jones predicted except one month prior, the fan boys cower behind "it doesn't matter who predicted it first."

I had completly forgotten people told me about william cooper and I did a investigation on him and art bell about how both ended up no longer being on the air. You jogged a memory here of mine I had forgotten completely about. There was a whole mess of things the NSA was up to before and after 9-11 regarding cooper and a few others on a radio show in tennessee that tower and host disappeared that day.

William or bill which ever you want to call him the nsa was after him big time over some file he had gotten ahold of that gov didnt want out and managed to leak over the web. I posted part of that file here along time ago regarding MJ-12 ya ya I know its national security I dont care and you know why.

But beyond that I know that about 200+ people were picked up with in days and weeks of 9-11 and taken to places to keep them shut up about what they knew about 9-11. Lots of people I know that have investigated this have disappared or been fired if they asked too many questions about it.

I have had my dealings with the Men in black nsa crowd and others and quite frankly you all know very well by now I dont care what level of classification it was or is based on what bush and clinton both have gotten away with and its that simple. Regardless of what happens to either of them for what they have both done it will come back on them one day.

I dont know if Alex is controled or not I do know I was on genesis too once as a radio talkshow host and im not there either anymore but on that note I did expose one too many scandles and I know genesis had to be getting pressure or heat from someone or some group it happened when I was on the air locally too.

The director of opperations for the nsa and me already had a nice long discussion about my uncovering efforts and exposer efforts and there efforts to keep things covered up it didnt end very well. It ended with both parties saying what richard cheney said on the house floor when he was under investigation about haliburton.

You can only kill and shut up so many people or cover something up for so long before it starts to backfire and thats what is happening now. Not just with gov but with everything even the UFO topic which I kept my mouth shut on that thank you very much minus one file.

Besides when you take into account all of the information sites that are left that gov hasnt shut down ats is lucky and thats all it hasnt been shut down yet it almost got shut down over me being here to keep ats alive I left and stoped posting documents.

Gov and groups are always looking for a reason to shut down information that uncovers or is connected to a bigger issue at hand we dont need to give this or any other group or government any ammo to go after ats. Next to ats alot of sites are no longer around and alot of people have flat out died or gone to jail to make news stories here or information public and we all should be thankful for it.

Thats my 2 cents on this for now.

Falcon

i really dont think alex jones is a CIA operative because hes really exposed a lot of stuff, i just think hes a bit dumb and doesnt realize how he manipulates people. Also bill cooper accused Art Bell as working for the government and being a member of the illuminati which i think is simply not true. Bill in the past has accused many people and many times seems out of spite because some people disagreed with him.

Maybe Alex Jones wants people to rebel and to fight the government so that when you do they have a reason to implement the very fears you face in the name of privacy. It can always back fire and mybe they need reason, and what a better way than if you rebel at every stone being turned so that it opens more reasons to enslave the nation. Reverse phycology, stir up the people make them rebel and then have the excuse you always wanted.

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I agree, just like Phil Schneider, anyone who works with the govt at that high of a level of classified, top secret information and comes forth and starts disclosing stuff to the public usually is "shutup." I'd say thats the first sign that maybe they were close to the truth, Alex Jones has "penetrated" Bohemian Grove, dont you think thats a little odd?

Originally posted by UMayBRite!
There is a simple rule to follow:

If he survives, he is more disinformation/harm than good

If he is killed, he said too much.

So Cooper is probably closer to the truth than Jones...

Extremist that mix truth with a considerable dose of BS are tolerated because they disgust normal/non-paranoid people. Most conclude that there is nothing to it, so all kinds of conspiracy become easier to hide.

why do you think this website is tolerated? Even if the truth occasionally show up amidst the babble, it's soon doubted and forgotten.

I agree with your assessment. Personally it saddens me to see this happening, as it only confirms what I've recently discovered. I know that may sound all ominous, but the truth is, it should. What's going on here is not simply disinformation, it is a plan to actually create a hopless mindset, to create widespread apathy. Before you cry conspiracy theory, ask yourself this,... How many people do you know right now that simply don't give a damn about what's going on in our country, how many people get annoyed, or just clam up when you mention politics or religion? I strongly urge you to google CASOS, they work hand in hand with the many branches of our government/military/intelligence/ect, and even their mission statement says their goal is to influence societies and organizations. They do this under the cover of attacking terrorist networks, by creating distrust. There's no way in hell that this isn't being used against us right now. We all know that they're using stuff like this to try and control us phsycologically, but most people simply can't conceive how good they are at it. This thread is a perfect example, and from now on, every time I see stuff like this popping up, I'm going to speak about it. If you are interested in learning about this, please visit the link below. It's to the wall street journal, I recently started posting in the journal community there to try and inform people of some of the things that are going on. Please don't just read the article though, review the links I leave there as references to why I come to these conclusions, and feel free to leave a reply or message, telling me what you think about this, I'd love to hear other people's views on this.

In Liberty,

Scott

online.wsj.com...

originally posted by: topsecretombomb
I find it wierd how there's no logical reason why Cooper would even think about firing at deputies. He's got so much to lose. Also, how would Jones be part of the Government if he was called a 'maniac' by Geraldo on national television. It doesn't add up if were accusing Jones of being part of the whole thing.

Cooper definitely was the one blowing the False Flag operation open. His accussation of Bin Laden being a patsy suggests no less!

Your point about Geraldo is illogical.

The whole idea of a disinformation agent or shill is that it's hidden, not overt. If it was true (not saying it is) that Jones or another was a disinfo agent, the government would obviously not say good things about him and would need to make it appear like he really was anti-government and the government was anti-him. So, they might have someone like Geraldo call him out.

OR, even if you were a shill and undercover, saying lots of conspiratorial things in public might get mainstream people like Geraldo to call you crazy.