Proof we are all lying to ourselves

Lets not forget how NORAD sat in limbo the entire time.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well how would the fuel exploding outside the builidng have been considered the explosives to trap the people on the upper floors?

The jet fuel would ignite the building and everything in it, wherever it hit.

Hitting the tower low would cause the most death. It's very simple.

EDIT: P.S. Please forgive my anger.



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Originally posted by Tuning Spork
The jet fuel would ignite the building and everything in it, wherever it hit. Hitting the tower low would cause the most death. It's very simple.

EDIT: P.S. Please forgive my anger.

But the point is the majority of the fuel was burned up OUTSIDE the building. What was left burned up quickly. Please check out the NIST and FEMA reports on this issue.

The WTC was blown up. there was hardley anything left of it.it tuned to dust. And what was left they shiped to China ...evidence of a crime

Look at the photo it clearly shows a shape charge cut in the steel

And plase dont say it was cut like that after...it wasnt



[edit on 4-11-2007 by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Tuning Spork
The jet fuel would ignite the building and everything in it, wherever it hit. Hitting the tower low would cause the most death. It's very simple.

EDIT: P.S. Please forgive my anger.

But the point is the majority of the fuel was burned up OUTSIDE the building. What was left burned up quickly. Please check out the NIST and FEMA reports on this issue.

Your information is incorrect - FEMA states the following:

www.fema.gov...

Bottom of page 2-21:

" If one assumes that approximately 3,000 gallons of fuel were consumed in the initial fireballs, then the remainer either escaped the impact floors in the manners described above or was consumed by the fire on the impact floors. If half flowed away, then apprximately 4,000 gallons remained on the impact floors to be consumed in the fires that followed."

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
What was left burned up quickly.

But it set everything else on fire.

This is what irks me in this particular argument: People want to refuse to believe that flaming liquids can splash. Not only do they splash, they fall. And then they set everything around them -- that's flammable -- on fire.

Would you wanna take your chances as a formica-coated desk chair in an inferno? Would you opt to take your chances as a pretty cotton drapery up against a cotton-based carpet just because it was beautiful?

Would you ever choose to be so much as a solid stainless steel piece of silverware in some thousand-foot-tall building made of steel that's about bring it's entire weight down upon you and turn you into a memory just because you chose to be there?

ULTIMA1, I may have gone a bit off topic. But not by much, I trust.

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Ok explain this to me plase.......2 planes hit the WTC they both fall to the ground and disintegrate,one plane hits the pentagon and makes a small hole?

One plane crashed into a field and there is nothing?

All 3 palns almost identical

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N.B.A.Y.S.O.H,

This site might answer some of your questions about the diagonal cuts on the beams:

undicisettembre.blogspot.com...

It may not be to your satisfaction, but there ya go!

Originally posted by Disclosed
Your information is incorrect - FEMA states the following:

I guess you missed this one.

www.fema.gov...

The large quantity of jet fuel carried by each aircraft ignited upon impact into each building. A significant portion of this fuel was consumed immediately in the ensuing fireballs. The remaining fuel is believed either to have flowed down through the buildings or to have burned off within a few minutes of the aircraft impact.

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Thank you im just looking at the site now.

Originally posted by Tuning Spork
But it set everything else on fire.

Yes, and then you have a normal building fire (NOT A JET FUEL FIRE)

Originally posted by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H
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Ok explain this to me plase.......2 planes hit the WTC they both fall to the ground and disintegrate,one plane hits the pentagon and makes a small hole?

One plane crashed into a field and there is nothing?

All 3 palns almost identical

Oh, Dear.

Yes, two planes hit the towers. We all saw it. We took pictures. Please please please don't ever let anyone tell you that you're own eyes are lying to you. Buckle up, Man.

"There was nothing found at the crash site in Pennsyvania"... except the Flight Data Racorder, pieces of an airplane, and the remains of the passengers, hyjackers and crew.

EDIT:

Which discovery of What more remains might satisfy you?



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What about the pentagon what happend there is a small hole no?

And it still doent explain why Bush said........the opratives plated explossives high up ,so the people traped above couldnt escape"

The man said it........why say it ..if there where no explosives or opratives?

You can tell what kind of a man he is,by the way he sat in that classroom,lost,and not knowing what to do,or how to react. Any normal man would have got stright up made a polite excuse and left to get on with the job in hand....he sat there like a kid waiting for his daddy to come pick him up.

Had to edit pasion came to the surface lol

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Originally posted by Tuning Spork
Oh, Dear.

Yes, two planes hit the towers. We all saw it. We took pictures. Please please please don't ever let anyone tell you that you're own eyes are lying to you. Buckle up, Man.

"There was nothing found at the crash site in Pennsyvania"... except the Flight Data Racorder, pieces of an airplane, and the remains of the passengers, hyjackers and crew.

So you can tell us with 100% fact the planes that hit the towers were Flight 11 and Flight 175?

At Shanksville you have 2 distinct, seperate debris fields far away from the impact point. How does a plane that impact down into the ground spread out debris in 2 distant debris fields?

Also we have no photo or video of the tail section, most crashes the tail section survives.

Good thread. The truth about what happened on 9/11 must come out. If people would just look at all the evidence, there is only one conclusion.

Why do you think NORAD did nothing to protect the skies over America? During the time the airplane was coming in towards the Pentagon, there was a young man coming in, telling Cheney: "the plane is 50 miles out, the plane is 30 miles out" and so on. When he got down to "the plane is 10 miles out", the young man also said to Cheney:

- "Do the order still stand?"
- "Of course the order still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"



Did you know that drills were ran during the London bombings as well, just like during 9/11?

Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

Source

These are INSIDE JOBS to change society. They knew they needed a "new pearl harbor" to create these changes and start their fake wars on terrorism.





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My Theroy if you want it

WTC: 2 remote planes ....lazer guided maybe

Penatgon: missile

Pennsylvania: they blew it out the sky

The people on the planes dead or in some kind of facility

George Bush and his administartion : GUILTY

Whats gonna happen : NOTHING




[edit on 4-11-2007 by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H]

I wasnt being patriotic Im not Amercian, im English

Sorry mate. One makes assumptions, and is often wrong. Your profile has no geo-location...

The point of this thread ... ill fight and get the truth.

Yes, good job. You got members participating, and a new perspective is always good.

someone sent me a U2u saying it was very powerfull and had them in tears almost...i didnt mean for that to happen ...but at least they got it...try it.

You hit a chord there.

I have just done a quck seach for the video clip. ...an English man about 30-35 and he phoned in a radio show ... building work going on, and all teh moveing about people had to do,from floor to florr, while there where "referbishing" other floors....he kept going on about the dust,the noise drilling etc...and the use of Bobcats, there like a mini digger thing if you didnt know

It would be good if you could find it.

I visited the WTC several times in the 1980s & there always seemed to be loads of workmen around on various floors doing this & that, restructuring internal walls, wiring for computers, drilling & so on. Like in any large building with constantly changing tenants, I suppose.

The recent work in 1990 might have been of a different order. Some evidence of exactly what was being done would be interesting. I heard these stories on ATS before, but none of this multitude of workmen doing all this structural work in the WTC for months at a time seem to be contactable, nor have made any public statements - unless I missed them so far? Which is a pity, because we're left with only speculation, not evidence.

We know there was the asbestos removal issue, but I don't know if any of that work was done before the collapse. Other members probably would know this.

If any of you guys who worked in the WTC in 1990-91 are out there and reading this, perhaps you'd get in touch...?

Cheers.

My Theroy if you want it

WTC: 2 remote planes ....lazer guided maybe

Penatgon: missile

Pennsylvania: they blew it out the sky

The people on the planes dead or in some kind of facility

George Bush and his administartion : GUILTY

Whats gonna happen : NOTHING


[edit on 4-11-2007 by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H]

Do you have any evidence for any of this? Evidence would be substantial proof, which would convince a jury in a court of law and so would convince a skeptic who does not initially share these views.

As an example, one of the questions I have is that I have seen Osama Bin Laden on Jordanian TV being interviewed and explaining how the attacks were planned and carried out by Al Qaida. They were surprised by the collapse of the towers, and put it down to Allah's intervention. So he does not have a conspiracy theory, and he does not believe in the CD theory (a theory I personally find to be credible and consistent with the evidence)

So to fit in with your theory, is Osama:

a. deluded in some way, believing he planned and executed this operation with some 85 other known individuals, and in fact wasted several million $ of their resources doing it

b. deceived by the US Govt/secret govt/other agencies (delete as required) who substituted the Al Qaida operation, which would almost certainly have succeeded, with an identical operation producing a whole host of unnecessary problems and side-issues

c. Al Qaida secretly co-operates with the US Govt, and this co-operation extends to the 9/11 op and to the continuous murder and maiming of US servicemen in Iraq in order to co-operatively prolong a war for some nefarious reason

d. Some other explanation


Just curious. These questions really need to be answered, I'm afraid.

By the way I travel in the ME a lot. Maybe you do too. I haven't met anyone who believes the US Govt had anything to do with it. They all think AQ planned it. Maybe they are ill-informed (seriously).

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Im going to have no chance of finding that video. ive just done searches for 9/11 radio phone in, WTC phone in, man tells of building work week before 9/11 etc etc .............it was definitely a video because i remember seeing photos ,as the man was talking about what he had seen and heard and the vid was just going from image to the next keeping up with what the man was talking about. He came across as a genuine guy.

Its gonna bug me now ........

Originally posted by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H
Do you like ATS : YES

Do you belive all you read here: NO

Do you belive a lot of what you read here: YES

DO you think ATS has good ethics: YES

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Originally posted by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H

Please show us the non-cropped version of that image and then we'll talk.

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