The Coming Revolution

reply to post by Disgustipated


Disgustipated, it does not warrant a warning because 'part' of what you say holds merit. To question a poster is how we separate the bs from the truth. But so many are so totally engaged with debunking that it can lead the discussion into fragmented debate rather than lending the op the chance to open slowly and to come forth with what they have to say and hopefully prove themselves or disprove in time. It is scary to accept someone especially new at face value. Many times people have been embarrassed by falling for well orchestrated hoaxes and so first attack first ask questions later. Please all I am asking is that you grant this op the courtesy of telling us what he has come to share before we run him off.
Peace.

reply to post by antar


I was involved in the ghost raven discussion the whole time and believed him.. I didnt ask for proof or anything... I am wiser now and if the OP doesnt bring up proof, then he is basically just a storyteller is he not?
Seriously here, come on. Some people are getting mad at us for asking for proof... thats what EVERYONE should be asking for BEFORE they want him to keep telling stories.
If he brings proof.. then YES, tell me more about Venus.. PLEASE.

reply to post by isitmagic


I still think you should let people make up their own minds about what to believe or not. I dont see anything wrong with asking questions and then making up your mind weather or not this could be real.

I hate when people are trying to tell others "dont read that, dont listen to that" etc... its like the blind leading the blind. Why not let people look and use their own brains?

Personally I just find the thread interesting and I enjoy reading it. I dont make any conclusions from it. I just listen.


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reply to post by Copernicus


From my point of view the human race evolved on this planet through the influence of spiritual beings whose job it was to guide their evolution.

The religions of this planet are similar to someone who put markers around a small portion of a beach and says all the people on the beach they must stay within the markers and can only go a few meters or so out into the sea. The spiritual potential of the human being though is like all the oceans of this planet combined.

reply to post by Copernicus


It is fair enough to people making up there minds to weather this thread is true
But to believe this stuff without asking a single question as to how its real is just completely absurd!

Originally posted by Disgustipated
But to believe this stuff without asking a single question as to how its real is just completely absurd!

Yes, and thats not what Im saying either. Ask questions, find out more, but allow people to read the thread without asking it to get deleted or banned simply because you dont like it.

Doesnt that sound fair?

reply to post by Copernicus


I DID NOT SAY TO NOT READ THIS OR THAT. You just said you think its fair to ask questions... how about the biggest questions - how is this true? where is the proof?

This needs to be in a sci-fi forum somwhere... look, he is not even replying to us that are asking for evidence or proof... what does that tell you? common... be serious.
I am one who wants to believe, but I am not a fool to believe everything I read without an ounce of proof.

Originally posted by isitmagic
This needs to be in a sci-fi forum somwhere... look, he is not even replying to us that are asking for evidence or proof... what does that tell you? common... be serious.

It tells me that people who require physical proof will not believe him.

reply to post by flashstorminc

Hi flashstorminc
oooh, im really going to have to be polite and careful here but here goes...

I am totally and utterlly in tune with your message, allthough i can claim no substancial evidence or solid reasons to back this up. And it has to be said, that at the very least, the message is positive and uplifting, as apposed to some others i have read from many sources over the many years...

Now with the very greatest of respect (and i really do mean this) as i have always claimed to be a spiritual person, on many occasions, i tend to take messages such as yours as merelly good moral guidance and advice...

And i also have to point out, quite clearlly, that allthough i suspect my views to be very similar to yours, I am in no way, influenced any more or less by your post, than by many which i have read. (but i think you allready know that ) Now where am i going, hmmm...

I for one, am not going to ask you for dates and events, but merely your opinion, on a few issues i have with this subtle but nevertheless, a kind of disclosure situation we are now in...



I totally and wholeheartedlly subscribe to accountabillity and transparrency, from top to bottom, and i am sure that all spiritual and moral planes that might exist subscribe to this view and moral outset. Well, thats my opinion. And if they dont, well, to be quite honest, im happy where i am, and i will not play a part.

(( hopefully make a point now, sorry all ))


if this technology is being used against us, and this has been allowed for a period of time by other EBE entities (i do not subscribe to the word alien) that this issue alone tells me we have not progressed much at all, regardless of their evolutionary or spiritual position, or plane of existence.

how dare any race or religion exploit another (such as we do here) or even allow it and how dare any EBE allow us to be exploited in any way shape or form for one second, let alone a life-time! Especially by their own technology. ((oooh, do you sense the anger))

You see, we know we cannot look after ourselves properlly down here, we know this, but seriouslly, have our fellow EBE human beings done any better. (again, i am totally clouded by my anger, i know, but read between the lines.) I am convinced that our EBE brothers and sisters, if they exist, are just as much implicated...

If we have aquired their technology, regardless of how, and it has been abused by elitest organisations or corrupt governments, how dare they sit back and watch. They should have been here yesterday cleaning the mess up. I dont remember being visited or abducted, and asked for my opinion or my views... ((LoL, phew! thats off my chest now))

Now i cannot emphasise enough how much this is not a criticism, this is me questioning what i desperatelly want to believe, but will not do so blindly. I need to know (and directly, certainlly not thru a web-site, but i know if you are genuine, you will subscribe to this also) that the intentions of others that i would definatelly like to have faith and a belief in, have the same good moral code that i claim to have, and hold myself to account by, each and every single day of my life...

You see flash, in one aspect i know you are 100% right. We need to look inside, and once we do that, everything will get better outside.

And hopefully our other friends out there subscribe to accountabillity. I for one cannot wait to meet them with open arms, but i have a few questions they might not like. But i will ask them. And i will expect answers..

(i bet you didnt expect this flashstorminc)

reply to post by flashstorminc


Flashstorminc,

Thanks again for the reply.

I am now wondering about these people who will be coming forward. It would seem to me they will be presenting material that will put them in a position of disappearing, being killed, or discredited as being insane. It surprised me that you say they will not be coming forward all at one time.

What sort of protection will they have once they spill the beans? None of us knows who you really are, yet look at the reactions you are getting from this thread! Seems there is no middle ground. People either believe you or they don't.

People are asking you for proof. When these people come forward, is what they are going to present be backed up by irrefutable proof? If so, why can't you share some of that with us now? Test the waters so to speak?

Is the healing you speak of on the general world population going to be in place when people are presented with earth shattering news that will cause panic to the masses?

Thank You.

Originally posted by isitmagic

I DID NOT SAY TO NOT READ THIS OR THAT. You just said you think its fair to ask questions... how about the biggest questions - how is this true? where is the proof?

This needs to be in a sci-fi forum somwhere... look, he is not even replying to us that are asking for evidence or proof... what does that tell you? common... be serious.
I am one who wants to believe, but I am not a fool to believe everything I read without an ounce of proof.

It's not my job to supply proof, neither is it my job to make you believe what I have to say.

flashstorminc, could you tell me the relevance or the meaning of your name?
Also please continue to discourse as there are as you previously stated connected souls here .
Also what can you tell me about the shifts that I have been feeling consciously for over 22 years? In the beginning it was (before the phrase shift was coined)told to me that it was in preparation of the shifting of the earths axis.
Thankyou.

reply to post by Copernicus

But the thing is, there is NOTHING to make the mind beleive. Yet people still beleive the theory that has no evidence, and now it has god knows how many stars and 33 flags and counting. No, I don't think that is right.

I'm all for discussing things, but to post a thread with no evidence in the UFO section? Skunkworks, Predictions, BTS? Maybe. But UFO section. No.

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How low the mighty have fallen. RIP "Deny Ignorance", we will all miss you.

Flash, my psiball never made it back. You either destroyed it or I programmed it incorrectly. Oh well. Wanted to get more information about you.

Another question: Are there others like you here on ATS?

And what does that have to do with anything?

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reply to post by flashstorminc


Yes it is your job to supply proof
As the OP you are obliged to present clear and factual evidence that the claims you are making are true

yep..............it's gotten to the point where we have another sleeper on our hands..........another......bs artist.......

this wedsite attracts them like a fly to a light.........

i hade my hopes on this one....but.....oh welll

reply to post by flashstorminc


So this can basically be spam without proof?
It is your job, you are the on that posted this.
Maybe head over to skunk works or Below Top Secret to post this if you have no proof.

You see, all that ranting and raving in my last reply (gee i do feel better for it though lol) and i forgot to post a relevant link...

Change the World - in english

Whoever transmitted this translated message to you is irrelevant, and should remain anonymous in your mind. It is what you will do with this message which matters !

Other Languages here... .. .

reply to post by flashstorminc


Flashstorminc....

Ohhhh, I forgot to mention this in my last post and while it is till fresh in my mind....

The one thing I would like to understand is why everything profound has to be hush hush, secretive and only handed out to say, people in high society to be used as a means of controlling the masses in some way.

That's what got earth into the situation it's in already!

reply to post by Enthralled Fan


Before these people come forward things will be in place to ensure their protection and that they don't die suddenly from a heart attack or some other unexplained illness. The protection will mainly be psychic in nature.

There are people whose job it is to provide the proof that many are looking for, however most of this proof will be out in the open once the controlling forces have been neutralized since they have a habit of using deadly force on anyone who obtains anything like can be considered irrefutable physical proof. To put it simply people die when they see physical evidence of what is going on.

The masses won't be in panic because this will all be handled carefully without causing distress to the populations of Earth.

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reply to post by uk_jsm


Interesting link, thats for posting it.

Im sure skeptics will scream "where is the proof?" to that one too, but personally I just enjoy reading stuff like that without deciding weather to believe or disbelieve. Its just a nice read. Gives me a sense of hope.



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