UFO question asked at Democratic Debate Tonight

Originally posted by Luther BlissettDo you mind me asking what your education level is? The only reason why I'm asking is because I haven't met anyone who is supporting a conservative candidate in this election.

That was a bizarre statement. I for one am a lawyer who went to top schools and am voting Republican (Ron Paul hopefully but realistically whoever is chosen) over any of the Democratic choices. Historically people of all educational backgrounds support both sides. Political views are separate from education - probably more related to early development (my guess anyway).

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Luther, your statement about no one educated voting republican is very silly. Yes, historically people with advanced degrees tend to vote Democrat, but so do the poor an uneducated. Generally conservative voters are middle to upper class who may not necessarily hold advanced degrees, but may be more wealthy.

Anyway, I found the video funny, especially Obama's comments.

Originally posted by Luther Blissett
Do you mind me asking what your education level is? The only reason why I'm asking is because I haven't met anyone who is supporting a conservative candidate in this election.

I'm also going to take offense to this statement. I don't claim to be a genius, but I'm intelligent enough to not have to be questioned by people like you about my political views.

Perhaps your problem is that you don't get off the internet enough, because where I'm at, out in the real world, I haven't met too many people who claim to be voting Democrat. Once you get off line and get a family to take care of, and real job to look out for, voting for someone like Hillary just doesn't make sense.

As I say to many people...

"The only people who can afford to be Liberals are rich people and college students"

Don't vote for a candidate based on UFO's people. Carter said he would peel back the onion on UFO's and he didn't do crap.

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Thank you for your post and welcome!! I read for a few weeks then post when I feel I have something to offer that isn't here yet. We're all here trying our best to bring these subjects out in the open and essentially SAVE THE WORLD.

Flame on indeed!

Originally posted by tru_cutru
I cant believe no one has created a thread about this yet. I was in disbelieve when they ask one the Democratic runnerups if he believed in UFOS or not. He politically and carefully said that yes he believed in UFOS, later on the Texas governor was asked if he believed in UFOS and said that the government was hiding information, he also sounded very political and careful but did say that the government was hiding information. Sorry for my rambling, Iam just very excited. It is my first post here by the way. I am definetly voting for the runnerup that said he believed in UFOs. I am ashamed to say I already forget was his name is.

PS This is definetly a sign that the subject is having more acceptance at the government level. We are going in the right direction

Flame on, what do you think?

i found the video on youtube ALREADY

www.youtube.com...

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To bad you cant trust a politician, they will say whatever they need to in order to get votes. Seems like this might just be another one of those situations. Its such an easy way to get votes, say you believe in UFO's but actually you dont do anything about it when you're in power. Besides, you cant take your votes back once you've cast your balot can you ? :p

Having said that... We can still hope cant we ?

I think that you should base you vote for the President of the United States on more than just his opinion on whether he believes in UFOs.

Politicians are very good at mincing words. Just because he said he believed in UFO, I'm sure when pressured by his christian constituants that'll he'll flip that around to say, "I don't believe in extraterrestrials, but only that I believe there have been many Flying Objects that have been Un-Identified."

Politicians are very wiley bastards. Yes, Hilary included. LMAO. Honestly, I have found only one politician in this race that I feel like I could trust when he gives his word and that's Ron Paul. When there is a way that his words could be flipped around, he's always ready to verify what he's stating so as to not mislead ideas on certain subjects.

Such as when other candidates and news agencies wanted to quote him as saying, "America was responsible for 9/11". During and after the debate he made it very clear that America or Americans were NOT responsible for the events of 9/11 - But, the foreign policy of this and previous administrations played a major role in influencing the opinions of those who carried out the attacks. The media took and ran with what little Paul had given them and at one point they were trying to link Ron Paul to 9/11 truthers.

So when one of the candidates says "I believe in UFOs". That's a very vague statement. It very well may be that he truely does believe in UFOs, but when faced with losing the majority of his christian based support, I 100% believe he'll flip-flop his opinion.

If you want disclosure check out Ron Paul's stance on Transparent Government.

EDIT: Just because everyone else is listing their voting status ... I'm voting for Ron Paul, regardless of his nomination. If I weren't voting for Ron Paul, I'd be voting Democrat. I find is comical that people with highler levels of education actually believe there's much of a difference these days. The differences between the parties should be held to a state level. Once we're talking about a National Election, the subjects that we SHOULD be focused on shouldn't involve Democrats or Republican. For example ... abortion. That should be decided by state and local government. It's NOT a federal issue, contrary the opinion of previous administrations. Focus on the real issues here, people.

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OMG!Almost spill my drink when I heard Rush Limbaugh talking about the subject of UFO's in last night debate, he played all the sound bites, chastise New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson for saying that the Federal government is hiding info regarding Roswell when ask by Chris Matthews.

Rush said that Bill was blaming Bush for the cover up is Roswell, which shows the lack of knowledge in the case and the when on a diatribe about UFO's and finally saying that instead of worrying about aliens we should be worrying about illegal aliens, typical Rush there, but he forgot that the subject was brought up by the debate moderators which IMO says a lot about how common the subject is becoming, which is a good thing.

Let's see if they bring the subject in the Republican debate or if its just a ploy to make democrats candidates look like whackos!

Originally posted by nyk537
I'm also going to take offense to this statement. I don't claim to be a genius, but I'm intelligent enough to not have to be questioned by people like you about my political views.

Perhaps your problem is that you don't get off the internet enough, because where I'm at, out in the real world, I haven't met too many people who claim to be voting Democrat. Once you get off line and get a family to take care of, and real job to look out for, voting for someone like Hillary just doesn't make sense.

As I say to many people...

"The only people who can afford to be Liberals are rich people and college students"

This is just as an inappropriate statement as the one you responded too. Are you saying that liberals / democrats don't care about families, their jobs, etc? I'm a democrat and I DO care about all those things, and more.

Sadly, you have to admit that education plays an important role in the political process. You can't just slide education aside and pretend it has no relevance - because, unfortunately, in the really real world, it does.

How you correctly percieve and interpret a presidental candidate and his/her actions and motives directly plays into someones educational level. By not understanding WHY someone does something, what motives could be potentionally driving said actions, how can you hope to truely pick the candidate that will suit your own needs (if you even understand those) best?

It is just as ignorant and un-educated to state that education doesn't have any role in politics as it is to say that politics is strictly based on education. Politics is a mix of emotion, education, personal belief, societal influences, and even racial influences.

As for my own personal feelings - I like Kucinich. Not only because he was truthful and gracious enough to air his personal experiences and beliefs in the open infront of the world, and opened himself to ridcule, some of other strong points are healthcare reform, getting back to equalization of power in the federal government, restoration of the constitution, and restoration of the checks and balances system, etc.

You do not ask politicians whether they believe in UFOs or give them an edge in any question that only leaves them to answer -- well, yes, other people have reported seeing stuff up in the sky so there must be UFOs type of answers.

No, a person should ask something similiar to:

"If there is extraterrestrial life out in the Galaxy and they have been here to this Planet, would they Elect you as a Representative to their type of Government?"

Whatever answer the politician gives, then compare it to all the Goverenments in the World, and then compare it to "Would you not consider that extraterrestrials that have visited this Planet being smarter than you are in this Galaxy?"

When they answer, then ask "Why did you people then, not take science in college and only took law or business then?"

or something in a question like:

"Don't you think that if extraterrestrials have visited this Planet, that they are indeed smarter than you politicians are?"

Never ever give them an edge to answer a question because others have stated to have seen UFOs.

Originally posted by niv
I for one am a lawyer...

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who went to top schools and am voting Republican

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(Ron Paul hopefully but realistically whoever is chosen) over any of the Democratic choices.

.....Strike 3
So you will vote along party lines RATHER than for who is the right candidate? You, my friend (sarcasm intended) are what is wrong with this country and IMHO lawyers in general. You would prefer to fight to "save" a client with a Not Guilty Verdict DESPITE their innocence or guilt. Much the same way you would vote Republican DESPITE them offering a sound candidate. I suppose you support the Iraq war as well? Your President,this administration and this "War" will go down as the worst in history to date. Face it pal, Repubs are out in 2008 as the American people have wised up.

Let me guess?? Ambulance Chaser?....Despicable.

regards...kk


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The president has nothing to do with disclosure! They have not since the 1940's. I like the idea of an open minded President as much as the next guy, but the reality of the situation is much deeper than any of the candidates could do anything about. Vote for the issues that you hold near and dear and hope that the choice you make does not come back to bite you in the rear as did with so many that voted for bush.

AS for Disclosure it will Happen when the New York TV News Catches a Big Black Triangle Hovering over there City and it makes it on the Air.Untill then Do not count your Chickens.

As for why I am a Conservative Hillary said it Best herself "I have a Million Ideas America Can Not Afford them all" CASE CLOSED

Well put Antar, I think that's the big problem went it comes to disclosure, how a President will disclose information that is hidden from him?

This is not a democrats or republican problem, this goes more deeper than that if it exist at all and if any politician or president had access to that info it would have been disclosed by now IMO.

If we, many of the regular folk don't trust politicians what makes you think that the military or any other government agency will trust this oportunistic voltures with their most sacred secrets.

BTW, please stay on topic, if not I can see this thread moving to AP.

Does everyone still believe in elections, even though they have been shown time and time again over the past decades to be frauds?
I don't care for any party, and they are all liars. They have to be in order to raise the kind of money it takes to get to the presidential debates. I am not voting because it doesn't make any difference. Why do people still think it does?
Some people call that irresponsible and un-american and un-educated and all that fluff, but since when have you influenced policy makers? Never. They do what they please eventually. And I'm tired of the way UFOs are treated. They exist. they're here. They've been here for a long time. Those people won't do anything about it because they are all money laundering bastards, even Ron Paul. They are all criminals, and until the day that the average Joe gets to participate in a presidential debate, I'm not gunna trust them. Never trust a politician.

Important subject.

Jack Kennedy assassination allegedly due to his expressed intention to disclose the ET issue to the American people:

www.youtube.com...


Carter & Reagan's multiple witnesses UFO sightings:

www.ufoevidence.org...

www.cohenufo.org...

www.presidentialufo.com...

Clinton in favor of full disclosure, but found it impossible due to 'the government inside the government, which I don't control'

www.presidentialufo.com...

Maybe a new President will be able to force full disclosure, but not likely. It's too deep, too huge and gone on too long. Those keeping the secret believe they are doing the best for the people by keeping them in the dark.

Ridicule and denial are just as effective as murder and repression, if managed professionally and cleverly enough.

It'll all be forced out some day. When it does, will anyone ever trust the government, or its agencies about anything again?

It's quite obvious to me what they are really doing. They are merely trying to put these 2 presidential candidates into the same paradigm as all of us who post on here...Conspiracy Theorists. They (government) have demonized Conspiracy Theorists and UFO watchers as crackpots and there is no doubt that they were trying to shine this same light of supposed delirious lunacy onto the candidates to discredit them. Notice they don't ever attack Hillary (feminist) Clinton with nonsense like this. It's because (whether you like it or not, AND I DON'T) She will, UNFORTUNATELY, be president.......how do I know? Because she was at the 2007 Bilderberg Conference this year in Istanbul....and anytime a cadidate is seen with those guys, history teaches that they always turn out to be the next president.....despite what the votes or the people say. In summation, they only wanted these guys to look like ONE OF US. BOO!

Awesome! Flagged & Starred!

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The flip side to your arguement would be, are we getting closer to disclosure, is the public ready?

I understand your arguement and agree with it completely, but what would be the point of bringing the UFO subject and ask about extraterrestial life to the candidates? Well it could be very much what you said, an attempt to make them look like crackpots, they ask even Obama about it but they didn't touch Hillary which makes your point very valid or it could be that the media is pushing for disclosure.

We will have to wait and see but as has happen in the past I won't bet on it.

. If people were looking to actually vote by choosing the most intelligent solutions to making the world a better place, Kucinich would be the frontrunner, followed by Gravel.

actually it would most likely be ron paul- which more people are starting to realize. Im sorry but kucinich is a kook and carries a long overused teabag in his pocket- WTF?? But since you talk of gravel and kucinich, you must be a liberal- to each their own....... I just personally dont want my life overrun by gov'!!!