My Phone Has Been Tapped

the clicks have stopped for now but will they return??

----> It's called Echelon 4 my friend, soon to be 5. Happens in australia too.

Originally posted by DoD
the clicks have stopped for now but will they return??

guess you'll just have to wait and see, huh?

yesterday i got home and i had a knock at my door it was my neighbour and he said that there had been to men in suits snooping around my house and when he confronted them they said that they were just door to door sales men

but door to door sales men don't go round the back and peer into your windows do they!

i have since kept every window closed curtains drawn and doors closed

Originally posted by justicar
The most commonly encountered easily audible clue would be you noticing the echo effect on your line. This would only occur if a pretty poorly done job was in effect.

And sadly the echo cancelation devices the telco's either have built into their system or as a component of their system would run a very high chance of eliminating that audible clue.

Does this include cellphones? I mean, my cellphone isn't state of the art or anything, but that happens to me everytime I use it. Whether I'm talking to someone 2 or 2000 miles away, I can hear myself in every conversation, especially when I laugh. Is my phone tapped? I would think it would be pretty easy to accomplish on a cellphone if youve got the right frequency. Or do cellphones switch frequencies during the duration of a call often? # I'm paranoid.

Sounds like you're being pretty careless online.
Better unplug the computer while you're at it. Oh, and you can't just erase things off your hard drive, THEY can still retreive it. Only solution is to physically destroy everything, like burn it or zap it in the microwave for a few minutes.

You are not your points.

-B.

but can anyone explain the "door to door sales men"

maybe they're the ones who abducted you...

your ass is grass.
might as well get used to it.

I would watch out for the old Ricin poisen in the tip of umbrella injection while walking down the street.




[Edited on 5-2-2004 by dreamrebel]

DOD: What reasons do they have to bug your house etc? Have you accessed, acquired or been researching some Top secret information that no one else knows about?

yesterday i got home and i had a knock at my door it was my neighbour and he said that there had been to men in suits snooping around my house and when he confronted them they said that they were just door to door sales men

One: hearing tapping is a 99% chance that it is telco issues. Depending on the call and where it is going. Sometimes it is carrier to carrier, landline to wireless, carrier landline to carrier wireless to carrier landline, calls switching towers as you move (more clicks and such with digital over analog), and a host of other issues. Cordless phones, T1 lines, etc, etc...


Two:

Banshee - Oh, and you can't just erase things off your hard drive, THEY can still retreive it. Only solution is to physically destroy everything, like burn it or zap it in the microwave for a few minutes.

Banshee is right, you can't just erase. What you need is Data Sanitization Sweep, a platform-based product that erases - to Department of Defense specifications - all data written to 5 separate data blocks in the computer. The specific benefit to this software product, as opposed to the use of a hardware degausser, is that the drive is completely and fully erased, but the drive heads remain undamaged, and the drive can be reformatted and recycled. With conventional security degaussing, the drive heads are damaged and the drive cannot be reused. Additionally, this product is more price competitive than similar hardware products of the same category that are DoD compliant.

Originally developed in conjunction with the United States Department of Defense and the Air Force Information Warfare Center - Air force Intellegence Agency in San Antonio, TX.

I know where to get this if needed.

Originally posted by DoD
but can anyone explain the "door to door sales men"

I would be more concerned that they are thieves scouting out your house to ransack it.

Originally posted by insite

Originally posted by justicar
Does this include cellphones? I mean, my cellphone isn't state of the art or anything, but that happens to me everytime I use it. Whether I'm talking to someone 2 or 2000 miles away, I can hear myself in every conversation, especially when I laugh. Is my phone tapped? I would think it would be pretty easy to accomplish on a cellphone if youve got the right frequency. Or do cellphones switch frequencies during the duration of a call often? # I'm paranoid.

Sounds to me like you need a new service provider. or get a digital phone.
Here is some info
"The reason the echoes are happening is because the speaker and the microphone in the phone systems are built too closely together, Gunther said.


Echoes aren't necessarily the problem, Gunther said, the real problem is called half-duplex.


Half-duplex is the inability for two people to speak at the same time. Gunther said the problem is mainly found in speakerphones and cellular phones. Echo cancellers came out around the 1960s, but haven't been able to completely solve the problem because they cannot allow people to talk at the same time. Cancellers try to work, but eventually move into half-duplex mode. Gunther said they have invented a way to cancel echoes during double talk, which is two people talking at the exact same time. "
www.usu.edu...

As for "tapping" this is an old article, but stil acurate
"And recently the FBI requested permission from the FCC to use, among other things, dialed digit extraction technology. Here's how it works: If you are on your cell phone and accessing your bank using touch tones to punch in an account number, the FBI wants to be able to intercept that information under the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA). "

wireless.itworld.com...

Originally posted by Banshee
Oh, and you can't just erase things off your hard drive, THEY can still retreive it. Only solution is to physically destroy everything, like burn it or zap it in the microwave for a few minutes.

You are not your points.

-B.

DO NOT ZAP YOUR HD in a microwave! The resulting fire would destroy the microwave.
Just write zeros to the drive.(Do a Google search for programs that do this, if it is a Western Digital you can use GWSCAN) Or use a kill disk. "The writing of zeros to the hard drive is the process used for secure erasure of files - there are standards that exist that recommend the number of over rights. Having the zeros on your disk causes no problems to you. Use what you have or have a look at www.gale-force.com... for an alternate solution." www.itsecurity.com...
A kill disk will "debug" your entire harddrive. and write zeros.

Writing zeros is the easiest one to do though


[Edited on 5-2-2004 by NetStorm]

Originally posted by insite

Originally posted by justicar
The most commonly encountered easily audible clue would be you noticing the echo effect on your line. This would only occur if a pretty poorly done job was in effect.

And sadly the echo cancelation devices the telco's either have built into their system or as a component of their system would run a very high chance of eliminating that audible clue.

Does this include cellphones? I mean, my cellphone isn't state of the art or anything, but that happens to me everytime I use it. Whether I'm talking to someone 2 or 2000 miles away, I can hear myself in every conversation, especially when I laugh. Is my phone tapped? I would think it would be pretty easy to accomplish on a cellphone if youve got the right frequency. Or do cellphones switch frequencies during the duration of a call often? # I'm paranoid.

People, I work for a Telco and 99% of the problems you're describing are telco related. Lay off the weed and quit being so paranoid. Read the following from Motorola:

On December 19th 2001 at the Holiday Inn North Shore in Skokie, Bob Zurek of Motorola gave a presentation entitled "Wireless Telephone Design Considerations." As wireless phones have matured, the expectations on performance and size have led to new acoustic challenges. The desire to reduce the size of modern cell phones has made the incorporation of an earcup in the device impractical. Without an earcup, a decent seal usually assumed with a landline phone is not possible. The environment that a cell phone is used in contributes to the lack of seal in the system. Users will often set the volume to its maximum setting and vary the amplitude by moving the phone towards or away from their ear. A system that is designed to accommodate this varying impedance is often referred to as leak-tolerant.
The push to reduce the overall size of the unit has created system echo problems that do not exist in full size landline systems. Shortening the length of the phone increases the microphone-to-mouth distance, affecting signal-to-noise ratio and microphone sensitivity. A reduction in the internal volume coupled with an increased distance between the mouth and the microphone tend to increase receiver to microphone feedback. This feedback coupled with digital system delay (as much as 200ms) creates significant echo problem for the far end user. To reduce the problem, consider that the best case coupling from receiver to microphone is the external air path (but is rarely the case). Phone housings and PC boards act as ducts, directing energy down the phone toward the microphone. This ducted energy can be reduced by creating partitions and using grommets around microphone and speaker. Alternate acoustic paths, such as leaking through jacks on the side or bottom of the phone, also need to be sealed. Separately rotating housings eliminate both the directly ducted energy and alternate acoustic paths, and also decreases the microphone-to-mouth distance. Audible Alerts or ringers have historically been able to produce only a few tones at a very high level for their size and input voltage. Armature alerts are typically used to produce these tones. However, consumers are now asking for programmable musical tones and audio for games from these same devices. Since space is very limited for these devices, new system configurations are being implemented to get as much SPL out of as little volume as possible. Increasingly micro-loudspeakers are replacing the armature alerts to provide more musical alert tones along with speakerphone operation. Since volume and board space are at a premium on cellular systems, components are now being used for multiple uses. Several companies are now marketing multifunction transducers, which typically include vibrator (silent alert), alert, and receiver.
New techniques are constantly being developed to overcome the challenges being presented by new trends in portable communications devices. Coupled with consumer demands for greater integration of entertainment devices, new devices may eventually change our lives in the same way the first cellular phones have in the 30 years since their inception.

The trouble with clicks on the line could be a bad ch. unit, T1 or T3 facility,paragain unit, remote terminal, end-user wiring, etc....

Link about echo



[Edited on 5-2-2004 by KillerD]

[Edited on 5-2-2004 by KillerD]

One more thing. This is the digital age and the type of monitoring that is performed is non-intrusivie, meaning you will never hear a click or any type of noise on the line. I can take my T-berd 2209 test set in my switch room and plug into a T1 or T3 DSX(monitor point) and break out and listen to the individual channels on a circuit if need be and the customer on the end of the line will never hear a thing. I'm not saying the government doesn't monitor phone lines because they can and they do. You will just never know it.

Picture of T-Berd 2209



[Edited on 5-2-2004 by KillerD]

It they could tap into you're phone lines, they obviously tap into your life in other ways. I am pretty sure that whole discovery of tiny spywhare hidden in disposable razors. I just dont understand why anyone so sophistocated with all that technology would want to spy on regular people. wouldn't they have better things to do? I guess its just their way of getting into our heads, selling a product and trying to controll our lives, etc...

Originally posted by NetStorm

Originally posted by Banshee
Oh, and you can't just erase things off your hard drive, THEY can still retreive it. Only solution is to physically destroy everything, like burn it or zap it in the microwave for a few minutes.

You are not your points.

-B.

DO NOT ZAP YOUR HD in a microwave! The resulting fire would destroy the microwave.
Just write zeros to the drive.(Do a Google search for programs that do this, if it is a Western Digital you can use GWSCAN) Or use a kill disk. "The writing of zeros to the hard drive is the process used for secure erasure of files - there are standards that exist that recommend the number of over rights. Having the zeros on your disk causes no problems to you. Use what you have or have a look at www.gale-force.com... for an alternate solution." www.itsecurity.com...
A kill disk will "debug" your entire harddrive. and write zeros.

Writing zeros is the easiest one to do though

[Edited on 5-2-2004 by NetStorm]

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Y'all don't get my sarcasm, do you?

His phone's not tapped, nobody is sneaking around his house, etc etc etc.
He's a points troll. Please also see his "UNHAPPY USER" thread for further information.

-B.

"aaahhhh I see!" says the blind woman...thanks banshee..