Iran threatens 'decisive strike' if US attacks

Originally posted by mad scientist

Originally posted by Harlequin
Hezbollah is recognised by most countries in the world as a legimate group of freedom fighters - only a handful of western countries (which include usa and israel) say they are terrorist...

Who exactly recognizes hebollah apart from a handful of Arab countries ?

stumason has llready answered this - only 6 countries actually say they are terrorists - as he said "The rest of the world is either indifferent, doesn't view them as terrorists, or actually supports them".

Originally posted by mad scientist

Originally posted by Harlequin
which beggers the question - If it was `ok` for the usa to supply the IRA with military weapon and money to fight the british (NORAD) then why is it wrong for iran to do it.

Are you actually saying the US governemtn funded the IRA. Me thinks someone needs a dose of reality. I must say the US never supplied arms to the IRA, in fact it was Gudafi who supplied the bulk of the weapons ti the IRA in the 1980's.

as has been shown in another thread , boston cops held fundraisers for the IRA , who they viewed as freedom fighters and Martin Caraghar used a Barret M82A1 which most certainly did NOT come from libya - and neither did the M16`s also used...

Originally posted by Harlequin

Originally posted by mad scientist

Originally posted by Harlequin
Hezbollah is recognised by most countries in the world as a legimate group of freedom fighters - only a handful of western countries (which include usa and israel) say they are terrorist...

Who exactly recognizes hebollah apart from a handful of Arab countries ?

stumason has llready answered this - only 6 countries actually say they are terrorists - as he said "The rest of the world is either indifferent, doesn't view them as terrorists, or actually supports them".

That's right, most countries in the world don't see them as a legitimate group they are just indifferent.

Originally posted by Harlequin
as has been shown in another thread , boston cops held fundraisers for the IRA , who they viewed as freedom fighters and Martin Caraghar used a Barret M82A1 which most certainly did NOT come from libya - and neither did the M16`s also used...

As a previous poster said the Barrett is a commercially available weapon and just one ee gads. Come on that hardly constitutes the US supplying arms to the iRA. As for the M16 so many millions gad been built and distributed around he world they could hvae come from anywhere,

Also you obviously can't make the distinction between Iranian government funded terrorism and privately funded. You tried to imply that the US government spomdored the IRA which is obviously a lie. Obvious to almost anyone.

I believe Iran when they say they will retaliate with Rocket attacks if their country is attacked.

the US won't be able to stop Iran from firering rockets simply because Iran is a big country and the US doesn't know where all of Irans rockets are. Iran would have all thier rockets spread around the country hiding in various places.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
As soon as Iran committs these 'terrorist-attacks'
we will have a green light to absolutley pulverize them.

After all, if they dont sit back and LET us bomb them in the name of freedom, they must surely be terrorists...

How do you bomb someone, under the guise of foreign security?

Hows about this.... at present Iran arent bombing us..
...they arent bombing Israel..
...they havent been found to be in breach of their IAEA requirements...
...they are REQUESTING DIALOUGE

yet... we seem to be preparing to bomb them.

ehem .. I wouldnt say WE in this situation Unless you are pro bombing. Somethimes it is hard to get the whole fact from both sides. Both USA and Iran are countries of holy wars. "In God we trust!" / "alluh akbar!" says it all.. When that is said, they are both countries based uppon lies and deception.. ( for now at least .. )

Im personally not sure if Iran should have atomic energy. They can buy this energy from other countries. They do not have an energy chrisis..

But then again, I do NOT know the whole story, and neither do any of you ..

Do not even pretend to have knowledge on something you have very little clue about


George Harrison bought the AR18`s from George de Meo using money from the Irish Northern Aid Committee (NORAID) an organisation started by Martin Galvin , Michael Flannery and Pat O'Connell all New York residents. Joe Cahill was the liason between teh various groups.

All in more than $1 million USD was spent buying more than 2000 assauly rifles (AR15s and 18`s) and pistols.

as you can see the majority of IRA weapons were of US origin , less weapons came from libya in the later part of the 1980`s as many were intercepted before arrival.

news.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by Harlequin

As I said you imply the US governemtn was complicet, are you now changing your mind ? If so good, because you were obviously blatantly wrong. Please don't try and spread false iuendo, it does this site no favours.

reply to post by mad scientist


Did i at anytime state that? no - it is you seeing things not even there, open your eyes and your mind. and deny your own ignorance.


this is now very off topic so it stops. now.

make a new thread if you want to carry this on.

Originally posted by Harlequin
reply to post by mad scientist

 

Did i at anytime state that? no - it is you seeing things not even there, open your eyes and your mind. and deny your own ignorance.

Well yes the impliction was obvious you equated Iranian terroist funding to Americans funding teerorists in Ireleand. Simple fact is, teh Iranian governement is sponsoring thiss, whilst the US government in no way sposired the IRA. The implication is obvious in your post.

this is now very off topic so it stops. now.

make a new thread if you want to carry this on.

Yes well you did a good job derailing the thead. Kind of makes you look a bit ridiculous trying to take the higher ground.

reply to post by mad scientist


If Israel responds with their nuclear arms, it would be an act of impotent and desperate rage that would not only fail to save Israel but might even doom the entire Jewish people.

Let's look at some basic numbers.

Jews worldwide: ~15 million.
Muslims worldwide: Well over one billion.

I do not think anything could save the Jewish people from Islamic rage resultant from an Israeli caused partial nuclear holocaust.

Originally posted by SimiusDei
On the one hand, you have the United States and Israel provoking Iran every chance they get.

I have not noted this.

What do you mean by provoke?

Do you mean cautioning a state, who has vowed to destroy Israel, that the production of nuclear weapons is likely to engender preemptive strikes?

Who's provoking whom?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I have not noted this.

What do you mean by provoke?

Do you mean cautioning a state, who has vowed to destroy Israel, that the production of nuclear weapons is likely to engender preemptive strikes?

Who's provoking whom?

destroy Isreal?
how many times is this going to be used on topics on ATS

i mean its been debunked so many times on these topics and repeated hundreds of times,

saying Zionest regieme and Israel is two diffrent things , jebus christ
how long you been on ATS for?


also please show your hard proof Iran is making nukes
because it seems like the UN are saying otherwise (UN Nuclear thingy)

[edit on 30-10-2007 by bodrul]

reply to post by bodrul


Perhaps, this will refresh your memory.

Iran's conservative new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesday that Israel must be "wiped off the map" and that attacks by Palestinians would destroy it, the ISNA press agency reported.

"The establishment of Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," he said, according to the press agency. "The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."

Referring to comments by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic revolution, Ahmadinejad said, "As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

www.iht.com...

I see no distinction made here between Israel and a Zionist regime. The article is quite clear about Ahmadinejad's intent.

Yes, I know that there was some backpedaling on the part of Iran, but no one with a knowledge of history can doubt that Ahmadinejad said exactly what he meant and vice versa.

Japans PM Yasudo Fukuda who has been responsible for supplying fuel for the coilition forces and the United States announced that he just might with draw those services. This to me indicates my worst suspisions that if we go to war with Iran, we are going it without the alies we need to win.

Mr Ozawa has repeatedly said he would support the mission only if it had UN backing. The naval deployment was a key issue in July's upper house elections, in which members of his party, along with other opposition groups, took control of the second chamber, enabling them to block government legislation.

Japan PM forced to withdraw Afgan war backing...

www.liveleak.com...

reply to post by GradyPhilpott



i will point to some of the topics and replies for you,

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

more topics
sources

unless of course your an expert on farsa and the source you just posted was translated by a legit expert on farsia


feel free to read the posts and topics ive given

also as asked before please show some of your expert
views and evidence Iran is building nukes

[edit on 30-10-2007 by bodrul]

reply to post by bodrul


You're splitting verbal hairs here.

Regardless of literal translations, his intent is clear. Everyone knows that idioms differ from language to language and any translation that used the idiom "wipe off the map" would be metaphorical.

Israel is synonymous with Zionist regime.

The Islamic world wants to destroy Israel by any means necessary.

Who doubts that?

I never said that Iran was building nukes.

reply to post by GradyPhilpott


so now the islamic world wants to destroy israel?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I have not noted this.

What do you mean by provoke?

Do you mean cautioning a state, who has vowed to destroy Israel, that the production of nuclear weapons is likely to engender preemptive strikes?

Who's provoking whom?

reply to post by Agit8dChop

We bomb them because they have something we want. Oil. We are going to bomb any country to take over their oil supply. This is a dog eat dog wolrd.

Originally posted by uberarcanist
reply to post by mad scientist

 

If Israel responds with their nuclear arms, it would be an act of impotent and desperate rage that would not only fail to save Israel but might even doom the entire Jewish people.

Well if the Arabs really though that, they would hvae attacked Israel by now. Israel hasn't built a large nuclear to see it go unsued in teh face of anihilation. Believe it, if faced with the destruction of the Jewish Satte, something they see as sacred, those birds will fly.

reply to post by mad scientist


Not everyone is afraid of Israel as you suggest. The Palestinians are almost certainly getting under-the-table funding and support from Arab countries, and Hezbollah launched a bold and relatively effective offensive during the summer of last year. And what about those SCUDs that Saddam launched at Israel back in 1991?

You dont have to be afraid to get annihilated. Rest assured, if Israel feels threatened enough, they will take out all of their enemies as well as themeselves if need be via the Sampson Option.