Mars Express: First a Lake... Now Vegetation?

A little bit ago I posted a picture taken by the Mars Express that seemed to depict a lake on Mars surface. When I say it seemed to depict a lake on mars, I don't mean a lot of guesswork was done to come to that conclusion. It really looks like a lake! A BLUE lake! Look for yourself sci.esa.int... . Anyways, in my last thread where I posted the same picture I also said that I thought they would probably release more pictures that would challenge our beliefs of what kind of planet Mars really is... And sure enough they did. Check this out sci.esa.int... . Does that not look like vegetation to you? Hmmm... That's weird because that's where the the Spirit rover landed and uh... It doesn't look very similar to the pictures being sent back from the Spirit.

Both, the blue and green stuff do look interesting. I'm still waiting for the official NASA explanation...

Maybe the Feb 9th announcement is life on Mars after all? If not Feb 9th, then at a future date...

u r soooo....omg.....words cannot express my frustration.......

man, E_W Has you hook line and sinker!

As for the pics, I dunno. I'm going to have to look into that site, I haven't heard of it before. I'll let y'all know what I've discovered when I do, unless someone else has already done this by the time I'm done

EDIT: Good catch, tho!

[Edited on 1-27-2004 by junglejake]

yea thats a lot of green stuff

That's GREEN!!! All I want to know is, can we smoke it?

(j/k)

Originally posted by m0rbid
That's GREEN!!! All I want to know is, can we smoke it?

(j/k)

I'm not!

Ok, this is way too interesting. Can anyone explain to me how Mars Express determines colors? Are these true colors? Or scientific creative liberties being used on these images?

Originally posted by worldwatcher
Ok, this is way too interesting. Can anyone explain to me how Mars Express determines colors? Are these true colors? Or scientific creative liberties being used on these images?

That's my current thought. If it was imaging in infrared, it would explain the gully with "water" in it. The inside wouldn't ever see the light of the sun, and remain extreamly cold. Another possibility is that the photos are doctored. I'd like to see the image from NASA. They would have to have released it if another website is able to display it.

NASA has admited the the temps. at the Spiret site is warmer then expected. but by how much????????????

IF there were vegetation on mars what makes you think it would be green?...if vegetation such as ours was on mars it would be freeze dried vegetation...

I do not believe that is water or vegetation.

The pic only covers an area off 60m from top to bottom, in this area it just doesnt look like any sort of vegetation. Not that im saying we would have the same plants on earth, just that it looks too suspicious.

okay been reading, looks like the pictures are the most accurate ever taken of the martian surface, but I am still not sure exactly what everything means, I'm not a techie person.

High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC)

The HRSC will image the entire planet in full colour, 3D and with a resolution of about 10 metres. Selected areas will be imaged at 2-metre resolution. One of the camera's greatest strengths will be the unprecedented pointing accuracy achieved by combining images at the two different resolutions. Another will be the 3D imaging which will reveal the topography of Mars in full colour.

read the rest for yourself
www.esa.int...

Originally posted by cyberpilot
IF there were vegetation on mars what makes you think it would be green?...if vegetation such as ours was on mars it would be freeze dried vegetation...

I do not believe that is water or vegetation.

What makes me think it would be green? Well, my belief is that life everywhere may follow a similar evolutionary path. Maybe most vegetation tends to be green is because green is a "cool" color meaning under sunlight it doesn't get too hot or too cold.

[Edited on 1-27-2004 by Jenkins]

Originally posted by Jenkins

Originally posted by cyberpilot
IF there were vegetation on mars what makes you think it would be green?...if vegetation such as ours was on mars it would be freeze dried vegetation...

I do not believe that is water or vegetation.

What makes me think it would be green? Well, my belief is that life everywhere may follow a similar evolutionary path. Maybe most vegetation tends to be green is because green is a "cool" color meaning under sunlight it doesn't get too hot or too cold.

[Edited on 1-27-2004 by Jenkins]

Exactly...Or maybe greenis harder to burn or absorbs light extremely well.

Try get a tattoo removed via laser. Black is the easiest to get off, while Green on the other hand is considered nearly impossible to remove.



And by the way. That lake looks like it has water in it. Definately.

And it does look green. It may be vegetation, but maybe not plants. Could be such things as moss, algae.

[Edited on 27-1-2004 by DaRAGE]

It doesn't matter if it's algae or vegetation. All that matters is that it's green and for some reason the Spirit landed there.

And for all of the people just stopping by to check out the pictures and read what other people have to say about this, please share your thoughts on the matter. It doesn't matter if you have a hard time trying to place your thoughts in writing. Try your best. The fact that your browsing this message board shows that you're an intelligent open minded individual not necessarily looking for answers (although a few would be nice) but for the rest of the pieces to this gigantic puzzle.

[Edited on 1-27-2004 by Jenkins]

Here is your Nasa explanation.

www.gsfc.nasa.gov...

In my opinion things are starting to look alot more interesting on the mars surface (i could just be thinking what i hope is true). It makes perfect sense to me that if two neighbouring planets both have life, the life on both planets would evolve in similar fashions... either because one planet put the seeds of life onto the other, or the planets were made fromthe same set of building blocks thus would have more or less the same elements to let life evolve... here hoping we could be saying hi to our little green neighbours

Those two photos indicate why I think it is so VERY important for NASA to build their "color" images that they are releasing using PROPER filters, to show us what a human would see if standing on the surface.

That calls for using the L4, L5 and L6 lenses, instead of the mix that they have been using for almost all of their landscape photos... L2, L5 and L6.

They are taking infrared shots and showing them to us as if they were equivalent to "red" shots.

They are not. If you look at the NASA press release images from January 19th, you can see how different the terrain would look "to a human" by looking at the color photos of the rocks Sushi and Sashimi, and the close-up of Adirondack.

Those were taken with the L4-L5-L6 mix.

Infrared pictures with too-strong signals from blue and green objects mean that the NASA photos could be inappropriately masking out the green and blue that may very well be present on the surface of Mars.

Isn't it about time that they invested the time and effort to actually show us something closer to the truth?

Originally posted by EmbryonicEssence
Here is your Nasa explanation.

www.gsfc.nasa.gov...

And here's my response... Bullsht. Why haven't they said anything about this "green mineral" before? They must of had pictures of the these green patches before they landed directly on top of them. I bet we'll be seeing some even more controversial pictures from the Mars Express just because NASA gave that explanation.

[Edited on 1-27-2004 by Jenkins]