Vitamin C Conspiracy

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Proven by 1,200 scientific references to cure most, probably all infections, and known for 57 years in the case of polio. www.whale.to...

Just this bit of fact would kill vaccination dead.

Also reverses heart disease www.whale.to... and prevents cot-death www.whale.to... (300,000 babies left to die there)

No wonder you never read about vitamin C when you hear attacks on alt med, except for that crap about colds which are elimination, so only detox will cure that.

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just simple cross-reference

Not to mention the FDA's 'recomended daly allowance is about a drop in the bucket. AND we need it all throughout the day - not in one lump dose.

If your trying to ave yourself (heart, etc) take a good 250mg every few hours all day.

I do at least 6000mg a day for a therapudic dose.

How do you know how much you need? Every body is different. If you are self treating a problem - start with a low dose every few hours and increase untill it gives you loose stools... then back off a bit.

What ever your body don't need it will eliminate, so within a few hours, you need more anyway.

And if you smoke... say you take your vit. C and go hve a cig... guess what - there when the vit. C. Gone.

Be careful!!!!!!!!!!
Natural vitamin C is vastly preferred, as the chemical vitamin now mostly comes from China, and the purity and efficacy is highly in doubt.

Taking massive doses of anything, except in short term need, is not wise IMHO. Sure, the body eliminates what it doesn't use, but what about the wear and tear on the organs that have to constantly work without rest for weeks or years to eliminate the unnecessary?

Supplements work in synergy. For instance, calcium without magnesium is harmful, and vitamin D is needed to process the calcium, but too much vitamin D can be fatal. Too much calcium causes the stomach to secrete more acid, as calcium lowers the natural PH, and the body compensates. Over time, the intervals between calcium intake see a much higher PH of acid in the stomach, and ulcers occur.

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All EXCELLENT points! There's just too much to even begin to tell isn't there? You said, "Taking massive doses of anything, except in short term need, is not wise".... very very true.

By the same token, instead of taking RX that will harm your body - you can use vitamins, minerals, amino acids, fatty acids, enzimes, herbs etc to heal the body without doing harm (if done properly).

I had a doc try to put me on some heart meds ... he said it was a must - had to keep me from having a heart attach. So what did I do? Threw away the script and did the maga dosing of Vit C to get rid of the inflamation tht was iritating my heart.

Then they wanted to talk about my arteries and plaque build up. meds for that they said - a must! Again, I threw away the scrips, took lethicin + C + bioflavanoids, and bingo - it's like a roto rooter for the veins (bromaline much later in the day for same reason.

IMO - the thing is, western medicine is needed sometimes. But western medicine learned how to 'help' people by looking at dead and ill people. Sorry - I don't want to be dead or ill... I'll role model after someone alive and healthy! Natures way is the best way.


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Vitamin C boosts your immune system letting your own bodily defences get rid of disease. It's also an antioxidant.

Vitamins, supplements and herbs are always more promising than conventional medicine in my opinion. I just recently heard on the local news that taking Vitamin C & Echinacea prevents 80% of colds and flu. This means people should be taking these instad of vaccines; especially because of the mercury content in vaccines. Although it is arguable whether Vitamin C cures the common cold, I believe it does just because it strengthens your immunity.

Here's something about the benefits of Vitamin C:
www.vitaminstuff.com...

Vitamin C is one of the vitamins that I am using for my treatment of cholesterol I take the 1000 doses several times a day, plus Milk thistle.

I am doing pretty good with the colds while everybody else in the house has come down with them I only been getting just a touch of it.

I guess I could say my immune system is doing great right now because I am taking Vitamin C I will credit it with my good health for now.

Originally posted by gotrox
Be careful!!!!!!!!!!
Natural vitamin C is vastly preferred, as the chemical vitamin now mostly comes from China, and the purity and efficacy is highly in doubt.

Taking massive doses of anything, except in short term need, is not wise IMHO. Sure, the body eliminates what it doesn't use, but what about the wear and tear on the organs that have to constantly work without rest for weeks or years to eliminate the unnecessary?

Supplements work in synergy.

good points, being careful is a must, at all times, especially if you can really harm yourself if you make a mistake.

what you said about massive doses is true, the difference between poison and treatment is mainly dosage, think about digitalis for example, in the case of fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K just to name a few), overdosing is a real and dangerous issue, with ascorbate, some people apparently adminsiter a pound intravenously, as long as the ph value is right and the solution buffered, people feel no ill effects, which begs the question what a 'massive dose' really is and where massive starts. people tend to cite the fact that ascorbic acid is excreted by the kidneys from ~200mg and up, but mammals which synthesize their own do that too, so the point is not as sound as it first appears.

www.cforyourself.com...

i, too, would advise against continuously taking high doses, because you'll develop a weird kind of dependancy, once you get off it, you'll notice slight gum problems, among other, less tangible things (which might eb all in your head). it's called 'onset scurvy' btw.

And the vitamin conspiracy is?? I'm not really sure what you are suggesting?

I presumed from the title of the thread it would be about the multi-national companies that sell us packaged vitamins that we rarely need, unless you have a particular medical condition or a poor diet.

Or perhaps about how these vitamin producers have been screwing consumers by operating a price fixing cartel:

www.guardian.co.uk...

I'm not quite sure what else you could be suggesting....perhaps that all the public health systems in the world, where managers are tasked with the desperate task of trying to keep budgets down and patients healthy, are somehow ALL choosing to waste taxpayers money treating ill people where they could just be dishing out some vitamin tablets?

Don't get me wrong, I am a great believer in suppliments. I dake a daily multi and a twice daily dose of EDTA for my arteries and joints.
I only get ill once or twice a year, at most, with a cold or flu, and take echinacia, golden seal ,garlic and Vit.C for the duration. I have a drawer full of goodies for specific ailments, from G.I. cleaners and detox, to natural suppliments for hangovers, hormone imbalances and pain.
I just don't keep my system loaded with them, but use them when necessary. We do adjust our diet for the fall and winter months, eating lots of citrus, garlic, and brocolli dishes, and I am sure that has something to do with being generally heathier than our neighbors.

Originally posted by gotrox
Don't get me wrong, I am a great believer in suppliments. I dake a daily multi and a twice daily dose of EDTA for my arteries and joints.
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I just don't keep my system loaded with them, but use them when necessary.

When I read this something struck me as funny. (Not laughingly funny, just odd.
I am the guru of vitamins/herbal remidies etc around here (anything to go natural with healing etc). And although I have a drawer full of vitamin bottles and herbs etc, I take less than those who take 1 multi vitamin a day.

I won't take those things - won't do it.
Too many things going on in there that are harmful, and much is just expencive urine the way they are formulated.

I'm sure there are good ones out there... I just haven't found them in my area yet.

Just one example before I run to work:
Beta carotine in supliment form increases a smokers chance of getting lung canser by 52%. (*NOTE* Beta C is VERY good from our foods though!)

w00t! I just took some vitamin c trying to fight a sinus infection! It's the only vitamin I purchased although I enjoy ginsing in my diet.

There was a good article in the Readers Digest this month about vitamins and the myths and dangers associated with them. Some good reading if your interested.

C Is for Colds
Even if a vitamin does no harm, it may do, well, nothing. Take the ever popular myth that popping vitamin C will stave off colds. A review of 30 studies involving more than 11,000 people who took at least 200 mg of vitamin C daily found that it offered little protection in reducing the length or severity of common colds for most people. It did work for some people, such as marathon runners and skiers, who undergo periods of high stress, but the study’s authors say the rest of us shouldn’t bother taking it.

Dosage Dangers
Most people think of vitamins as natural and safe since they’re sold over the counter everywhere, including health food stores. And many consumers figure you can’t get too much of a good thing. But you can, particularly if you’re on prescription drugs.

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Sounds like nobody really knows LOL! doesnt surprise me since medical tech is way slower then we like to believe it to be.

I'll keep taking my Vitamin C thank you even if it is a placebo for my sinus infection.

Unfortunately there is no substitute for eating right. Eating Big Macs and drinking cokes all day is bad. Having a low immune system is a product of bad diet and little or no exercise. Taking vitamins to compensate for bad lifestyle is not the answer.Living healthy is. The American lifestyle is geared more toward a reactive way of living rather a proactive one.
If you feel sick drink a glass of orange juice, get headaches often lower your sodium or salt intake. Everyone is so stuck on taking pills. How about living right to avoid taking pills.

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My multi is formulated from natural sources, and I wouldn't take it at all, if I didn't have a high stress, rotating 12 hr shift work job. That kind of stress and changing circadian rhythms several times a month depletes more than I can replenish through foodstuffs. I only take it on workdays.
As for EDTA, an amino acid, I had circulation problems and joints that would freeze up---sometimes to the point I would need someone to help pry my hands off things like lawn mowers. After using it for 3 months, the symptoms abated, I stopped taking it, and a year later they came back. I know many experts are of the opinion that oral EDTA is useless, and a heavy course of IV treatments are the only effective administration scheme. But for 23 cents a day, I don't care if it is a placebo effect.

Originally posted by FatherLukeDukeAnd the vitamin conspiracy is?? I'm not really sure what you are suggesting?

Vitamin C as medicine, nothing much to do with supplements. It is called nutritional or orthomolecular medicine. IV for infections, eg.

Suppressed for 57 years. It would blow vaccination clean out of the water, also pharma medicine. Nut' med could replace over 98% of pharma med.

VITAMIN C for HEROIN and OPIATE PAINKILLER DETOX

Perhaps the most overlooked use for mega-dose Vitamin C cure applications
is how it can PAINLESSLY detox an addicted person off opiates
such as Percocet Oxycontin and Heroin/Morphine.

It is being suppressed, like Ibogaine, as a cure, by the medical establishment.

Junkies are good for certain businesses, even if they hurt the junkie
and the community at large.

Research it!

TPM

Originally posted by gotrox
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I had circulation problems

Look into taking CoQ10. Start with 30 or 50 mg (which ever you can find), then move it up to at least 100mg day. It helps with the circulation - I think it is THE best thing for circulation.

You know the sad part in all this is he "brainwashing" that goes on in hospitals and doctor's offices. Or just the plain lack of nutritional knowledge that comes out of the institution. People, like my father put a heavy importance on these drugs just because a doctor, with and expensive education, prescribed them. And he can't really demonstrate that he feels better.

Linus Pauling, yup look up his therapy. And you may also run into the description of heart disease being chronic low grade scurvy. Definitely not the mainstream explanation.

Troy