After all.. What do you mean by Time?

The Meaning Of " TIME" is " MONEY" without the " MONEY" you will starve to DEATH ..... TIME IS MONEY ! without the money , everything is useless , nobody can invent anything , end of story !

usually we can separate two explanations to time: the Einstein way an the spiritual way.

so if we look at time as another dimension spacial or otherwise...

we can largely say that it is a static dimension for we know. it bends, stretches but in essence remains the same (no movement on it). you are just a patch on it, and you exist there. it is impossible to discuss how long only where in time and how big i.e. the length of it. so therefore you may say that you are immortal in some sense but you are not able to control or influence that dimension in any case (yet). the one who can, is in fact way more powerful than any god we profiled in the history of humanity. the sense o time we experience is the detail how much we can interpret from that dimension. being the dimension that effectively stitches together the other spacial dimensions and the others that we may call energy planes, plains of soul and so on, it controls them all, but is seems to be a 2way interaction lately (see the science behind black holes, and Einsteins theories).

if somehow we can timetravel we may say that we create another dimension of time. as one dimension is represented as a line with no wight, we may say that the "Threads of Time" is a literally exact name. they multiply but don't connect.


so if we look at time as another dimension spacial or otherwise...

we might say that covers the whole stuff we believe in. starting from God to creation, FTL travel and what we might imagine that has a - more or less - reality to it. the only shame that the first question we ask is "how can we make a weapon out of it?", not "how can we fully control?".

on the side of hate there is no space for love and understanding.
i can't hate...

can you?

Time is our finite experience of eternity.

Originally posted by spaceman16
Time is nothing. There is no future, there is no past, at least not in a solid context.

How can there be no future or no past when we not only have words for it but you feel you must deny their existence? What is our history books other than accounts of what happened in previous times?

]quote]d the past only remain in our minds, with memories and thoughts.

The pyramids are still in Egypt and the house i live in is more than a hundred years old. The past consist of more than mere memories and 'thoughts'.

Time itself is nothing, having no solid ground.

But the things that were done in time are very real?

Merely a word used to describe the feeling of memories and imagination.

Like the memory of how you walked into a wall that no one could possible have built as the past does not exist? Right....

Time is a way to make yourself feel good about the unknown, saying all due things will pass in time.

Your confusing religion with time...

My defintion of time is as follows.

Time only exists in our minds, you and i can dismiss time, but in doing so we dimiss our life, losing track of where we've been and when we were there.

So basically if you don't hear or see the tree it can't fall on your head? I suggest you try that with headphones and a blindfold and see just how long you will live believing such a thing.

Without time we are lost, and know not they day of our demise. A beautiful mind and world it is without time.

What does time have to do with when we will die? Why would we life forever if we did not admit to the existence of a flow of energy? Would anti-oxidants and the environment not have the same old affect on us?

Originally posted by spaceman16
Well in short you're correct. This goes back to the classic example of, "If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around to hear it, does it still make a noise." If no one is around to record the events of the day, then what good are the events?

Well according to the theory hundreds and hundreds of millions of years ago lots of trees fell over in the wood leading to very large pools of oil that are very much responsible for the fact that you have a pc and electricity. To say that trees did not fall over because there was no one to hear them is just denying a very mundane reality.

A war would not be remembered if all the partakers were killed.

But we still know where the battlefields of centuries past are by the evidence left there independent of how many died or survived.

A novel would fail at its purpose if people didn't read it. The point being made, is that without a living being that can understand (and sometimes, not understand) what is happening, what good is it to happen?

A book does not cease to exist because it is not frequently read as is evident by our discovery of documents that are thousands of years old.

And im sure you'll bring up, that humans were not alive during "The big bang", so does this mean it did not happen? And my answer would be this.
Yes, it means it did not happen. Give me solid proof that such an occurance happened. Give me visible clues that this happened. Scientist accept the the Bbt is exactly that.. a theory.

I don't currently support the big bang model but i can see that i could easily defend the theory given how little you seem to know about the scientific foundation of many of the claims that can be employed to support it.

And other argument is that humans, themselves created the theory of a past, present, and future. All three are ideas developed by the human brain

So in which epoch of human history did people wish into existence the castles that dots Europe, the pyramids that we find in dozens of countries and all the ancient cities we find UNDER water along the shores of the six continents? Who would wish into existence something they could not use?

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A dog does not say, "I wish i lived 30 years ago" or "Wonder what the future holds". Only man proclaims such quotations.

So your a dog whisperer too?

So in short, you are correct, if man ceased to exist, time would cease to exist, or at the least the idea of time.

Our description of it might but mountains rivers will continue to flow while mountains are eroded away or formed from volcanic or tectonic activity.... Why you believe that all activity in the universe would cease if there were no observers is beyond me and i should probably ask how you think anything happens given no past or present! It's one thing to find movies like the matrix interesting but it's another to dismiss observation altogether!

Stellar

The things that are done are done through and of eternity. If you lived eternally you'd understand, but you can still grasp it if you allow your imagination to do such because you are of the energy that is eternal. You and I are universal constituents of eternity, therefore we experience a beginning and an end giving us points of reference which to measure by. If you had no beginning and no end, such as is energy, then time would be irrelevent. Since we experience time, it does have meaning to us. So time does and does not exist and that is perfectly okay.

Again: time is our finite experience of eternity, or time exists of no time.

Or: time is our finite knowledge of eternity.

[edit on 7-11-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by spaceman16
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Alot of the same ideas, im trying to hit at.

One i like im particular, about the debate about the present.

"That leaves us with only the Present - the ever changing Present."

How can we be in the present, if the moment you say you are in the present, your words are in the past.


"In a effort to cope with the change, we have invented time. "

No, its not as hard as you think to argue time.

I think the present is the same as future, technically. Any trillionth of a sec. can be defined as future. So present is future or it happens too fast for us to even see present time. Future doesn't only constitute a long-term effect. It is defined as a time to come after. Now any trillionth of a sec. is a time that came after (May not be long, but it came after). You are living in the future technically speaking.

Now about humans inventing time... Pure stupidity. Humans put measurements and a name on time. Time is part of what created humans. If there wasn't time, everything would be still. And there would be no sequence of anything. Everythng would happen at once.
How ridiculous do you have to be to argue the existence of time?

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I think you've mis-interpreted what im saying.

I'm saying that the thought (idea) of time, does not exist without human interaction. The thought of time, not what happened in the course of time.

I think, you think im saying without human interaction, the actions that take place in time do not happen. When what im saying is that the, without human (the ones who created the IDEA of time), the actions taking place, have no time to take place in.

It's complicated, and im not very good with describing it.

Time is God. It's the only percieved constant in every formula. Change time and everything defies explanation. Time is the ultimate in subjective and objective reasoning.

Time is how fast atoms vibrate, and speed of vibration depends on the environment / condition they are in....

that's it no deep hiding meaning

Originally posted by ebe51
Time is how fast atoms vibrate, and speed of vibration depends on the environment / condition they are in....

that's it no deep hiding meaning

So if you place an item in absoloute zero , and freeze it, does time stop?

Time is reality perceived.

It is so mind boggleingly complex in its utter simplicity.

I would like to simply state that one cannot step into the same river twice, this is the same as time. There is only the moment 'now' which is already gone but replaced with another 'now', what happens 'now' is determined by the past and this 'now' will determine the future.

Time is a measure of how long something takes. PERIOD!

For example it takes 1 day for the earth to rotate 360 degrees. It takes me 1 second to fire 12 shots out of my ruger 10/22. It takes between 4 and 25 seconds to drive 440 yards from a dead stop in most vehicles. if you jump off of a tall building it is only a matter of time before you hit the ground.

Originally posted by downtown436
Time is a measure of how long something takes. PERIOD!

Im so glad you said that.

Now i can attempt to validate my previous arguments.

Without someone to measure, wouldnt that mean time cease to exist? (Or at least the idea of time)

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So if you place an item in absoloute zero , and freeze it, does time stop?


For that object yeap....

Think about it, would you age?

Say your looking at your watch and you and it was suddenly frozen. 1000 years later someone comes along and thaws you out, how time for you has pasted.



[edit on 7-11-2007 by ebe51]

Originally posted by ebe51

For that object yeap....

Think about it, would you age?

Say your looking at your watch and you and it was suddenly frozen. 1000 years later someone comes along and thaws you out, how time for you has pasted.



[edit on 7-11-2007 by ebe51]

So why are people not being frozen right now? I'd pay ass (if i can say ass on here) loads, to be frozen and wake up 1000 yeras down the road.

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because it will kill you, but if the tech were to catch up with the theories time would not pass for you.

Originally posted by ebe51

because it will kill you, but if the tech were to catch up with the theories time would not pass for you.

Interesting, I'll have to look further into this.

Originally posted by spaceman16
I think you've mis-interpreted what im saying.

I'm saying that the thought (idea) of time, does not exist without human interaction.

Our descriptions or standards for measurement might not exist but then that's what you should say instead of arguing that 'time' does not.

The thought of time, not what happened in the course of time.

But it does not really matter if you think about time or the passage thereof as that seem to be a rather inherent thing given thermodynamics and the 'laws' Newton put to paper...

en.wikipedia.org...'s_laws_of_motion

I think, you think im saying without human interaction, the actions that take place in time do not happen.

That's exactly what thought, and still think, you were saying intentionally or not.

When what im saying is that the, without human (the ones who created the IDEA of time), the actions taking place, have no time to take place in.

We did not create the idea of time but merely created systems by which to more accurately keep track of the changes in our environment. To suggest that change will not happen for absence subjective or objective descriptions is just not accurate.

It's complicated, and im not very good with describing it.

Sure it's complicated and that's why it's always better to read a few books before you say anything on any topic! That's why i get very irritated with 16 year olds that have the audacity to want to 'change the world' without any background as to what happened before or what may result!

If such people feel compelled to action i suggest they find a treadmill and exercise while they inform themselves.

Stellar

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
The things that are done are done through and of eternity.

What does that mean?

If you lived eternally you'd understand, but you can still grasp it if you allow your imagination to do such because you are of the energy that is eternal.

We have little or no evidence that we live eternally so how could we grasp what it might be like? Why don't your reign in your imagination and concentrate on the few things we do understand about our world?

You and I are universal constituents of eternity, therefore we experience a beginning and an end giving us points of reference which to measure by.

How are we 'constituents of eternity' and what does that mean? Don't we experience a beginning and a end because we are born and die?

If you had no beginning and no end, such as is energy, then time would be irrelevent.

According to main stream physics energy perpetually changes form so time is not even irrelevant for energy.

Since we experience time, it does have meaning to us.

Everything that interacts with it's environment in self interested ways experiences the passage of time/changes in environment.

So time does and does not exist and that is perfectly okay.

How can something exist and not exist? Please explain how we can experience something that simply has no basis in reality.

Again: time is our finite experience of eternity, or time exists of no time.

And this is a non sequitur until you define what 'no time' is.

Or: time is our finite knowledge of eternity.

We don't know that the universe will exist for eternity.

Stellar