Roots of Islam

The West is on five distinct collision courses with Islam: the explosive Muslim immigrant ghettos could disrupt half the major cities in Europe; U.S. troops have been put in the line of ancient hatreds in Bosnia; war threats in the biblical lands smack of fire drills for Armageddon; the suppression of oil prices to 25-year lows strikes at Muslim economies from Nigeria to Indonesia, and financial colonialism is a provocation.
Kevin Phillips, "The Menace of Religious Zealotry"



The Islamic World is no longer somewhere else... instead, Chicago, with its 50 mosques and nearly half a million Muslims, is part of the Islamic world.
The Harvard Pluralism Project



War is a blessing for the world and for all nations. It is God who incites men to fight and to kill. The Koran says, "Fight until all corruption and all rebellion have ceased." The wars the Prophet led against the infidels were a blessing for all humanity. Imagine that we soon will win the war. That will not be enough, for corruption and resistance to Islam will still exist.



The Koran says, "War, war until victory!..." The mullahs with corrupt hearts who say that all this is contrary to the teachings of the Koran are unworthy of Islam. Thanks to God, our young people are now, to the limits of their means, putting God's commandments into action. They know that to kill the unbelievers is one of man's greatest missions.
Ayatollah Khomeini, Mohammed's birthday, 1984



The Qur'an tells us: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (5:51), "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5).



The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises "If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them" (8:65).
Institute for the Secularization of Islamic Society

It goes on to give evidence on these ideas.

*The Fictional Patriarch
*Allah - Remake of the Moon Goddess
*Astrotheology at Mecca
*The Arabian Matriarchy
*Who Wrote the Koran?
*Who Was Mohammed?

It gives evidence on each point and why Mohammed May have no wrote the Koran

Who Was Mohammed?


Like that of Buddha, Jesus, Moses, et al., Mohammed's historicity is questionable. He seems to be yet another incarnation ("Neros") invented to create a "state" religion. His "history" is full of fantastic legends, but if we were to find an individual there, it would not be one of very high or affable character.



As Potter says:

"Of women, his taste ran to widows with a temper... For recreation he delighted in cobbling shoes. Perhaps his greatest joy was when he beheld the severed heads of his enemies.

"His dislikes were just as varied. He detested silk-lined clothes, interest charges, dogs, others' lies, Jews and Christians. He hated poets, and said, 'Every painter will be in hell.'

"He was inordinately vain. A clever woman poet satirized him. She was slain when asleep with her child at her breast, and the vengeful Muhammad praised her murderer. Once he tortured a Jew to find the location of hidden treasure and then had him killed and added the widow to his harem. Strange indeed was the character of the prophet.



How could such a person inspire such reverence and devotion? It is one of the puzzles of history.

"It was not that he developed a great theology, either, for what little theology Islam has, worthy of the name, was built up after Muhammad had long been dead."

According to the hadiths or hadees, records of the sayings and traditions of Mohammed and his companions, the Prophet was indeed of a character that would repulse any decent human being. One after another of the hadiths discuss Mohammed's insatiable sexual appetite, which included having sex with his "wife" who was 9 years old and who had not even reached puberty.



All the while, this dirty old man had nothing but contempt for women.

As to how such a character could inspire such reverence and devotion, we would submit that it was because Mohammed and Islam were created by yet another faction of "the brotherhood" for purposes of competition with Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism and other religions.



As N.A Morozov says:

"...until the Crusades Islam was indistinguishable from Judaism and... only then did it receive its independent character, while Muhammad and the first Caliphs are mythical figures."

Behind the creation of such ideologies are usually those who benefit the most, particularly "third-party" weapons manufacturers, since these divisive ideologies are forever setting one culture against another.

Also How Allah may be remade of the Moon Goddess

Allah - Remake of the Moon Goddess


What this description means is that Judeo-Christian-Muslim tradition is built upon hoary myths, such that none of its offshoot religions can truthfully claim to be of divine or "inspired" origin.



As concerns the god of Islam, Allah, Walker has this to say:

"Late Islamic masculinization of the Arabian Goddess, Al-Lat or Al-Ilat - the Allatu of the Babylonians - formerly worshipped at the Kaaba in Mecca. It has been shown that 'the Allah of Islam' was a male transformation of 'the primitive lunar deity of Arabia.' Her ancient symbol the crescent moon still appears on Islamic flags, even though modern Moslems no longer admit any feminine symbolism whatever connected with the wholly patriarchal Allah."

Indeed, the Koran verifies Allah's lunar or night-sky status:

"Remember the name of our Lord morning and evening; in the night-time worship Him: praise Him all night long." (Q 76:23)

And at Q 2:189: "They question you about the phases of the moon. Say: 'They are seasons fixed for mankind and for the pilgrimage.'"

In Pagan Rites in Judaism, Theodor Reik states, in a chapter called "The ancient Semitic moon-goddess":

Allah and the origins of islam:

It is really good and makes good points.
Tell me what you think.

Islam,Christianity and Judaism have several things in common in their teachings.Here's a few....


Hate those not of their faith.
Violence towards non-believers is ok.
Women are to be oppressed by men.
Women have no rights.
Be intolerant of everything that your faith does not agree with.
Killing people is ok,just as long as you do it in the name of God.


Of course since 9/11 and the lies put forth by the American Government,the people there are having a field day with the Qu'ran and the violence within it.But its highly hypocritical behaviour as the Bible is just as bad.

As N.A Morozov says:

"...until the Crusades Islam was indistinguishable from Judaism and... only then did it receive its independent character, while Muhammad and the first Caliphs are mythical figures."

The Islam faith came into being near the start of the 7th century.The first crusade didn't take place until the 11th century.Towards the end of the 7th century Islam had split into 2 groups,Sunni and Shi'ite.The first 4 Caliphs were known as the Rightly Guided Caliph's.The end of their reign was in 661.So if we take it that these men,along with Muhammad,were mythical,there is still a long period of time full of historical people and facts in connection with Islam.

"Pre-Islamic Arabia was dominated by the female-centered clans. Marriages were matrilocal, inheritance matrilineal. Polyandry - several husbands to one wife - was common. Men lived in their wives' homes. Divorce was initiated by the wife. If she turned her tent to face east for three nights in a row, the husband was dismissed and forbidden to enter the tent again.

Arabia was not the only place where women had more freedom.Some Celtic,Germanic,African,South American and Viking women lived much better lives before Christianity was "introduced."

Originally posted by jakyll

"Pre-Islamic Arabia was dominated by the female-centered clans. Marriages were matrilocal, inheritance matrilineal. Polyandry - several husbands to one wife - was common. Men lived in their wives' homes. Divorce was initiated by the wife. If she turned her tent to face east for three nights in a row, the husband was dismissed and forbidden to enter the tent again.

Gah...why did things have to change?!

So much better like that...

Gah...why did things have to change?!

Because of man's fear or hatred for women.
And of course religion.the Bible didn't help by blaming us for the Fall of Mankind!

Originally posted by jakyll
Islam,Christianity and Judaism have several things in common in their teachings.Here's a few....

Ah! The classic decoy and deflection tatitc where people make sure you don't focus on the topic at hand. For instance if I say "There's a serial killer living next door" you would say "Sure he kills, but Hitler killed millions of people as did Stalin." The intended effect is to talk about anything but the subject, or to at least have the topic diffused so nothing specific is said about the subject.

People commit evil acts in the name of Islam, Christianity, and Judiasim. Agreed, now please stop changing the subject.



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People commit evil acts in the name of Islam, Christianity, and Judiasim. Agreed, now please stop changing the subject.

I wasn't aware i was changing the subject or trying to lure people away from the topic at hand.
I'm simply pointing out that it is hypocritical for one faith to call another when they are both just as bad!

Originally posted by jakyll
Islam,Christianity and Judaism have several things in common in their teachings.Here's a few....


Hate those not of their faith.
Violence towards non-believers is ok.
Women are to be oppressed by men.
Women have no rights.
Be intolerant of everything that your faith does not agree with.
Killing people is ok,just as long as you do it in the name of God.


Actually the bible never says to have HATRED for anyone. Maybe you should study a little more before you make such a statement. I am not sticking up for the bible or Christianity but only correcting your mistake. The bible talks of wars in the old testament between tribes and countries, but ultimately the bible says to turn the other cheek and pray for those that do not believe the same as you. Violence was not ok, NOT committing murder is one the ten commandments and if you try to use the crusades (like so many love to) that was not Christianity but a king, people distort religion all the time for their own agenda. But honestly, it does not ever say in the bible to be intolerant of other peoples religion…and the new testament is probably what you need to be reading since the old testament is an account of wars and laws before the sacrifice which things change with that…(according to the bible.)

About the women, no they were not shown equal rights (which they were shown some rights) but this was the time also. A lot of it just refers to how the laws of that time were while still saying that every man and woman and race were equal.

KILLING IS NOT OK IN THE NAME OF GOD.

Have you read any of the bible or do you narrowly focus on parts seen or heard that support your own bias?

I love how quickly people will jump on a subject with no worry if they are correct or not.

Im not saying I agree with everything the bible says but it certainly does not say anything like I just read from the Koran. Until now I thought that islam was ok and it just with radicals like every religion that portrayed it as being bad, but if this is right then I guess they do believe in killing everyone that is different. Scary.

I'd like to clarify what is being said in the article:

Muhammad was a mythical and imaginary person, who was given certain likes and dislikes. He was created to spearhead the movement known as Islam, which was originally just another Jewish off-shoot, which was created and developed over a long period of time, and which took the Pre-Islamic goddess Lat, and with a little help from the moon, transformed her into Allah. This movement was used to transform the matriarchal society of Pre-Islamic Arabia to a patriarchal society.

Doesn't anyone find this whole thing excessively absurd? No? Then I'll explain why they should:

First off, the article uses various 'prophecies' from the Hopi, Nostradamus to promote its point. You'll excuse me for being a little skeptical.

Next: Muhammad not existing. I think of all the Abrahamic prophets (in fact, probably of all the prophets before these last 3 or 4 centuries), Muhammad is the most documented. He sent letters to kings outside of Arabia, he was written about during his time, etc. I'd be curious to see the writings of a legitimate researcher who says that Muhammad did not exist.

Then it talks about Abraham, who according to 'Islamic Legends', bought the Ka'abah from its original owners, priestessess of the Goddess Sarah. Disregarding the fact that there is no such Islamic Legend, it might be interesting to know, that there is/was no such Goddess. The word "Sarah" is, however, sometimes translated as 'goddess', although a more accurate translation would be 'princess'.

After this comes the assertion that Allah is a remake of the moon goddess. Before I start, I'd like to say that this article was very poorly researched, and none of the verse numbers match what they are said to have matched.
Now, it says that Al-Lat was formerly worshipped at the Ka'abah, and that Allah came later. This is clearly untrue. Even the Quran mentions Lat (by name) and refutes the claim that she is the daughter of Allah. Allah, as well as Lat, Uzzah and Manat (as the daughters of Allah) were worshipped by the pre-islamic arabs.
It also says that the prohibition to worship the moon came much later, when Muhammad (who does not exist) was much more powerful. This is again untrue, as can be seen by viewing the passages quoted in the article in completion. If you have trouble finding them (because of the incorrect referencing in the article), you're welcome to ask me.
As for the claim that Arab women today still insist that the moon is the parent of mankind, that is plainly absurd. I've never met any who said this (and I've met quite a few, some who people here might even consider 'backwards'), I'm sure nobody here has, and I'd be interested if anyone can show one, who is not part of some contemporary moon-worshipping cult (and no, Islam is not one of those ).
Still not finished with this moon business though. Charles Dupuis, said that apparently the Sarazens gave the moon the title of 'Cabar' (Kabar, which means 'Great'). Now I don't know if it is a matter of french pronounciation, or even having misheard the actual word (after all, he called the Saracens 'Sarazens'), but the moon was never given the title 'Cabar'. It was (and still is) called Al-Kamar, which means (quite unsurprisingly), "The moon". The article (or maybe it is still Charles Dupuis) however, goes on to relate 'Cabar' to 'Caabah', which I suppose can be taken to be a way of spelling Ka'abah. It fails to mention, however, that the Ka'bah, has nothing to do with Kabar. Ka'abah means 'cube', which is also where the word 'Cube' comes from. It also attempts to relate it to 'Cybele', a Greek Goddess of the Earth. I'd be very interested in knowing what a Greek goddess was doing all the way in the backwaters of Pre-Islamic Arabia .

Finally, to the next point. The article claims that Pre-Islamic Arabia was a matriarchal society, and Muhammad (who again, doesn't exist) changed this around. The first part of the statement is only a half-truth, and the second is completely false. Yes, Ancient Arabia may have, at one time been a matriarchal society, but long, long before Muhammad's birth, this was gone. The article talks about wives 'turning their tents'. I'd like to point out, that in Muhammad's time, unless they were on some journey, people lived in proper houses.
By the time of Muhammad, women were considered chattel. They could not inherit land or wealth and due to this (and other reasons), female infanticide was common, and even encouraged, and even older daughters were killed in times of poverty, as they were seen to be a burden on the family.
Muhammad changed all of that. Women were equal partners in marriage, they could divorce their husbands also, they could inherit, and female infanticide was banned.

Now about the authorship of the Quran. The article is correct in asserting that muslims do not believe that Muhammad wrote the Quran. However, it then goes on to assert that it was written long before Muhammad by some sort of priestess 'imams'. It then goes on to claim that the word 'imaam' comes from the Semetic 'ima' (mother). This is wishful thinking. 'Imam' means leader, and it comes from Ima, which means 'to lead the way', or 'to go'. It also claims that it is the writings of the Goddess Kore. This is another mixing of the phonetics of 2 completely unrelated cultures. Kore (Persephone to you or me) was a goddess of Greek mythology.

The site is trying to promote the idea that a 'goddess' religion was the origin of all things religious on this earth. I don't find anything wrong with them trying to do this, as long as they remain in the realm of FACT.

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The site is trying to promote the idea that a 'goddess' religion was the origin of all things religious on this earth. I don't find anything wrong with them trying to do this, as long as they remain in the realm of FACT.

Though i don't agree with much of what this site says,i do believe that the oldest known religion in the world is that of a Goddess.

Mother Goddess/Mother Earth/Mother of All to be precise.(whether Islam cam from this i do not know.)

Small stone icons of the female form have been found all over Europe and around the Mediterranean Sea.Most of them date between 24,000BCE and 10,000BCE.During the Neolithic period,larger stone carvings of the Mother Goddess have been found in Europe,Africa,South Asia & South East Asia.



Anyway,back to the Roots of Islam.

The West is on five distinct collision courses with Islam: the explosive Muslim immigrant ghettos could disrupt half the major cities in Europe; U.S. troops have been put in the line of ancient hatreds in Bosnia; war threats in the biblical lands smack of fire drills for Armageddon; the suppression of oil prices to 25-year lows strikes at Muslim economies from Nigeria to Indonesia, and financial colonialism is a provocation.

Many believe that one of the major reason for war in Iraq is oil.Iraq supposedly has enough to fill over a 100 billion barrels.But Athabasca Oil Sands in Canada has an estimated 2100 billion barrels.And Orinoco Oil Sands in Venezuela is estimated to have at least 66% of the world's petroleum reserves are preserved in oil sand form!

War is a blessing for the world and for all nations. It is God who incites men to fight and to kill. The Koran says, "Fight until all corruption and all rebellion have ceased." The wars the Prophet led against the infidels were a blessing for all humanity. Imagine that we soon will win the war. That will not be enough, for corruption and resistance to Islam will still exist.

The Koran says, "War, war until victory!..." The mullahs with corrupt hearts who say that all this is contrary to the teachings of the Koran are unworthy of Islam. Thanks to God, our young people are now, to the limits of their means, putting God's commandments into action. They know that to kill the unbelievers is one of man's greatest missions.

Does anyone know where the 2 phrases mentioned above are in the koran?

The Qur'an tells us: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (5:51), "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5).

The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises "If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them" (8:65).

Full quotes of those above.

(5:51)

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

(2:190-193)

And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

(9:123)

O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

(9:5-7)

So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

How can there be an agreement for the idolaters with Allah and with His Apostle; except those with whom you made an agreement at the Sacred Mosque? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

(8:65-66)

O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.

For the present Allah has made light your burden, and He knows that there is weakness in you; so if there are a hundred patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand they shall overcome two thousand by Allah's permission, and Allah is with the patient.

I think the above statements and quotes show something we already know.That Holy Scriptures are open for interpretation,by those who want to use it to gain power and by those who would damn it.
It also shows that if you take only a part of a verse the whole meaning can change.People can get away with doing this because they know the vast majority of those they preach to won't look for themselves!

Originally posted by jakyll
Killing people is ok,just as long as you do it in the name of God.

This is crap. Stop spewing this false drivel, either back it up with quotes or don't say it. You can't find me a quote where Jesus taught to kill anyone for any reason. And in this I know that you are wrong and deceitful.

Verily I say to you that Islam is the *only* Monotheistic religion that sanctifies and promotes death to other Monotheists if they do not follow Mohammed.

The Bible doesn't say, "Find the Jews and kill them!", it says "Find the Jews and try to convert them", a big difference. While annoying, conversion attempts are nothing compared to having your head lopped off for the testimony of Jesus, or even David for that matter, or even God.

There is nothing of Militancy in the Bible; there are not armies of Christians in the Bible killing openly and in the name of like the Koran. The Christian Bible emphasizes on .. humility, suffering, patience, eventual salvation. But clear is the line that you shall not attack others, but you shall be attacked for who you are. And it is true, people do die everyday for testimony of their Religion. It's ridiculous.

If Allah is not God, then Allah is Mystery Babylon.

Indeed, great is the mystery of that which was once female, then became male, only to reveal itself back as female again at the end of days? The location makes sense, very close to where Babylon was. But Mystery Babylon has some depravity to her, she is responsible as the mother of all harlots, that says quite a bit. I cant say Islam promotes harlotry at all, so perhaps Allah is not a female pagan deity. However, total submission to the man in all things, and being one of many wives, could both be construed as qualities of a harlot, in which case Allah would be the mother of them all.

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I remember those statues! We had them in our history book. Still, I'm not sure that the purpose of those statues was for worship. They could be examples of prehistoric art, or good-luck charms for fertility.

However, as I said, I have no problem with research into the idea that the origins of religion came from some sort of Mother Goddess, as long as the research remains in the realm of fact, and stays away from strange suppositions.

Of the two phrases you couldn't find, the 1st one is actually one you've already posted, (2:193). As for the second one, I cannot find it anywhere in the Quran. If it is there, it uses greatly different words. It might be of interest to note that both those verses were quoted by Ayatollah Khomeini, in some speech of his.

I'd like to point out that for all the verses on can find that 'extol fighting', there is always a restriction, so that crazed lashing out does not occur- Don't be the aggressor, if the enemy offers peace accept, if the enemy has a treaty, don't fight, etc. - and the Quran specifically forbids this crazed sort of bloodlust.

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Originally posted by runetang
Verily I say to you that Islam is the *only* Monotheistic religion that sanctifies and promotes death to other Monotheists if they do not follow Mohammed.

Verily you say ? Well, verily you say wrong. Anyhow, I'm finding it interesting how you had to insert the term 'monotheists' into that statement to validate it for the OT. Not that I mind.

The NT was not really a 'rulebook' as such, it is more of a story or explaination of the Christian theology. So you won't find a lot of rules and regulations in there, thus it is open to even greater interpretation. If you accept that Jesus said that he didn't come to change any law, then yes, he implicitly accepted the killing of non-jews in the OT.

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drivel?

have you read jesus' favorite book? ya know, the old testament, that thing he never said anything bad about...

it sanctions genocide
...actually, it praises genocide
then the mass rape the follows the genocide

so yeah. christianity is just as violent as islam

This is crap. Stop spewing this false drivel, either back it up with quotes or don't say it. You can't find me a quote where Jesus taught to kill anyone for any reason. And in this I know that you are wrong and deceitful.

Verily I say to you that Islam is the *only* Monotheistic religion that sanctifies and promotes death to other Monotheists if they do not follow Mohammed.

The Bible doesn't say, "Find the Jews and kill them!", it says "Find the Jews and try to convert them", a big difference. While annoying, conversion attempts are nothing compared to having your head lopped off for the testimony of Jesus, or even David for that matter, or even God.

Ok,as i said to time4chg07 in a U2U,i don't want to turn this into another Jesus thread,it wouldn't be fare.But to satisfy you're need for quotes,here goes...

Deuteronomy 13:6-10

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.

2 Chronicles 15:13

Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Go to the link below for further proof or religious intolerance in the Bible.





I never claimed Jesus taught violence,but that the Bible did.You're obviously one of those believers who ignores the Old Testament because it doesn't fit in with your views of a peaceful & loving God.Well you can't pick and choose what parts of the Bible to believe in.To do so is to make a mockery of your own faith!!

Jesus did say to turn the other cheek,but he also said,

Matthew 10:34-36.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household.

Luke 14:26.

If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

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However, as I said, I have no problem with research into the idea that the origins of religion came from some sort of Mother Goddess, as long as the research remains in the realm of fact, and stays away from strange suppositions.

I agree.


I wonder what the person who wrote Roots of Islam is trying to achieve.I mean,he doesn't even get his facts right about the goddesses of pre-Islamic Mecca,which can be achieved quite easily if you know how to use a library or Google!!

Islam is not the only faith to be built upon another religion.
Christianity is built upon Judaism.Judaism is built upon Zoroastrianism....


The only thing worth agreeing with in the Roots of Evil is this statement.

If this world is to survive into the coming age, we will need as many people as possible to drop all of these divisive doctrines, which are simply racist and sexist ideologies not based in veracity or stemming from any god person. Indeed, there is no such vulgar god person who would be perversely pleased by the inhuman, despicable and grotesque behavior displayed over the past several thousand years by so-called religious people. What we need on this planet, right now, are honest, caring and whole human beings who are motivated not by potential favors and rewards from sadistic and ethnocentric deities in the sky but by innate decency and integrity.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by runetang

 

drivel?

have you read jesus' favorite book? ya know, the old testament, that thing he never said anything bad about...

it sanctions genocide
...actually, it praises genocide
then the mass rape the follows the genocide

so yeah. christianity is just as violent as islam

The point is the NT does not say "kill jews if they don't follow christ". The OP says the Qur'an says "kill jews and christians if they don't follow mohammed".

Monotheism is founded on the idea that the other Gods need to be torn down, as well as the fools that follow them.

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Agree maybe but even if everyone became an atheist there will still be wars fought because you are not a true atheist etc. War shall forever exist.

I'd like to note that there was no oppression of non muslims in the islamic world. Just look at the Ottoman empire. It even collapsed because they didnt force everyone to be like the turks. Just because a few modern zealots say killing non muslims is good doesnt mean that has been done in the past.

I'd like to note that there was no oppression of non muslims in the islamic world. Just look at the Ottoman empire. It even collapsed because they didnt force everyone to be like the turks. Just because a few modern zealots say killing non muslims is good doesnt mean that has been done in the past.

Yeah,most people don't know that during the Caliph empire all faiths were tolerated.And then the Crusades came along and #ed things up!

There are also many countries were Jews.Muslims and Christians live happily side by side,we just don't hear about them because its not deemed "news worthy!" Or more likely,it spoils the theory that all Muslims are Evil!!

Mohammed was a Hindu

But he was different, he travelled all around to teach his new way of life, but no one listened to him, so he prayed to Shiva, and he allegedly got a vision from Shiva where Shiva told him to carry a shiva lingam all through the desert and in all his travels.

Here is a picture of a Shiva Lingam, it is a hindu symbol.

www.clubmobile.org...

So he did and people listened, his disciples wanted other hindus to lead the way of life as the prophet. So they forced hindus to convert or die by the sword.

There is a caste system in hinduism called "Ksatriya", meaning soldiers, or protectors.

They had alot of them put into an army to fight islam, eventually that army had their own beliefes and sikhism went from being protection to being a religion.

Sikhism was created to protect Hinduism from Islam.

If you go to the Kabba, there is a Shiva Lingam at the underground of the Kabba where Mohammed left it there, a hindu symbol in the Kabba.

It is said that when someone pours water from the ganges on the shiva lingam it will be the end of islam, and as an insult muslims poured the blood of dead cows all over it, a respected animal in India.

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Sounds like bull# to me. Due to this reason: forced conversions are false. If you force someone to convert then its a false one. This is clearly stated in the qu'ran.

The only period where people are being somewhat forced to convert and then still rarely is now. Not in the 7th century nor in the 15th but now. Does that say something about islam itself or about the people?