1999 Total Destuction Of Earth (almost)

My reference point in all this is actually our small orbital ring space and skinny path in space--

-- it is a small territory we can neither navigate out of or be adjusting our speed at will to be dodging and escaping anything that comes along--

This means we are completely hostage and sitting ducks to anything that invades our fixed pathway and space-- that small territory of space and orbital ring.


The odds of an actual "comet" intersecting and invading that comparatively small space of our orbital ring in our lifetimes were considered to be so remote that it was seen as practically impossible.

If this alone has changed it is huge...

It would redefine our plan of existence as a race and the survival of our species to the point that we would be planning off world colonization without delay because we are entering a new area of space now that is apparently full of such bogies.


It would also mean that the odds are narrowing due to the fact that the famous Comet V1 which came down between Mercury and the Sun did a pretty close graze of our space after taking 33,000 years to come in and we would have had a massive poleshift-- had we been in the same spot some 3 months earlier...

"COMET V1"
www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

(Set for Thanksgiving 2001)
ssd.jpl.nasa.gov...


Somebody-- is watching these things come into the Solar System at the orbit of Pluto and then be taking ten years to come in. Somebody has gotta be wondering about if we will be out of the way as they see these things coming in...

I like the inside info, and am willing to dig for it. I am not content to be in the dark and only learn of trends and things after-the-fact when it is old news.

If I am exactly like the other 6.5 billion on this rock I offer nothing new.

FUBAR! & to-hell-w/that!


If you lived in a territory and ground you considered earthquake safe with no faultlines around for miles... and then while you were on vacation, a devastating quake struck on account of a sizeable faultline that nobody knew about and was now newly discovered-- would you still stay living there with your house now directly on top of that fault? This happened to me as I had just moved away from California after having lived right on top of that Northridge fault line for years that nobody knew was even there...


I watched the news coverage from across the country and recognized from right down the way from where I lived, a three story complex simply "sandwich-collapsed" that night and in an instant there was no first level.
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Originally posted by Scienceguy

Hi,

Let us see the orbital diagram from your computer to balance the other two and we can get more of an understanding of this point.

If Astroarts is right or wrong, we should factor that in.

Where is this 3rd chart you guys spoke of?

I have been aware of the NASA JPL chart all along. They are not usually into making gaffs and/or typo's but I've seen a few and it is good to get this other chart spoken of up for us to learn from huh?

BTW I am not a proponent of a planet Nibiru swinging by in my lifetime.

I am a proponent of any object swinging by such as this in our direct space to be termed a Planet X type object for want of a better word.

I have not stopped, nor will ever stop learning Hal...

If you portray yourself as knowing all, that is a pretty high horse to fall from at some point 'eh?


Fact is-- I am willing to learn and even adjust my position based upon which chart is the right one.

I am not just going to 'blindly believe' which one that is.


Where is the 3rd chart?

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Is there anyway to use your program to find out what object it might be that would have been 1AU from the Sun on Jan. 1, 2000?

I could certainly check all those comets that were passing through the inner Solar System on 2000 January 1. However, I suspect that the original "orbit diagram" is a complete fabrication.

EDIT: I have checked through my comet database, and there is no object that was in the location indicated by that first "chart" on 2000 January 1. The closest match (in terms of perihelion distance, date of perihelion, and orientation of the orbit) is with 107P/Wilson-Harrington. However, this comet (which is more like an asteroid now) passed through perihelion on 2001 March 26. That's nearly sixteen months later, and is therefore not a candidate for the 2000 January 1 "event".

There is the possibility that an asteroid could have been in that location at that time, but since the orbit diagram indicated 17P/Holmes, I'm sticking to my "total fabrication" theory.


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O.K.


While this is before us--


Let's investigate the voracity of the Total Fabrication claim:


Please duplicate such a fabrication for us using the Astroarts utility so that we too can pull it up as we have the earlier orbital diagram...

Is this a reasonable request?

Here's the utility-- have at it...

www.astroarts.com...



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The original diagram states that the comet is 17P/Holmes. That particular comet does not come anywhere near Earth's orbit, and yet the diagram clearly suggests that it does.

Whether I can fabricate something with that utility or not is irrelevant. Since the comet name does not match the orbit being displayed, it is obvious to me that the original has been tampered with.

Like I stated further back in this thread, when I checked out 17P/Holmes using the utilty, I was presented with the true orbit of the comet.

Try it for yourself. Just enter "17P" in the comet name section. This will give you the orbital elements. Then click on "Show Orbit". This will give you the orbit diagram. Then click on "Date", and enter "2000 January 1".



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I agree with mogget.

You faked this orbit.

Here you have..faked with your tool, simple enough to do:




and please can you resist to use bold fonts all the time?
thanks.

DoH!

Probabily you did this:

You went to your original link

www.astroarts.com...

you entered 17P BUT DID NOT PRESS return

you see that the paramters do not change from their default values: 1.1.2000 when you do not press enter... the date rings a bell!?

than clicked on Show Orbit

there on date and entered 1.1.2000

e voila a complete wrong orbit for 17P

Well spotted, g210b. I can recreate the original diagram if I don't click on "Search". That means that the OP didn't tamper with anything. He just didn't read the instructions properly.

My apologies to Scienceguy. I hadn't even realised that you were the OP !


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Congratulations!

You followed through and found a specific conclusion I have suggested was clearly incorrect and shortsighted due to an extrapolation of thinking that both the NASA/JPL and other Orbital Viewers were completely automatic in their functioning once you typed the name in. My bad!

You who stayed the course on the details until the correct conclusion was reached-- as to which posted chart rendering was correct-- have exhibited the qualities of true scientists and I both apologize and heartily congratulate you for your efforts.


"You never know someone until you fight them..." Seraph -- The MATRIX


Again-- hat's off to you who figured this out and yes-- proved my conclusions to be wrong, incorrect, in error, shortsighted, and needing to be posted here for peer review before going on to be posting this specific conclusion and matter anywhere else.


To date, then-- the biggest near miss we have anywhere near our local space and orbital ringpath remains the passage of Comet V1...

the famous Comet V1 which came down between Mercury and the Sun did a pretty close graze of our space after taking 33,000 years to come in and we would have had a massive poleshift-- had we been in the same spot some 3 months earlier...

"COMET V1"
www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

(Set for Thanksgiving 2001)
ssd.jpl.nasa.gov...



Anybody catch the inviting body language subliminal in this add I just found posted here in the sidebar?
pagead2.googlesyndication.com...


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SG...DO NOT pad your posts with * after * after *...It is not polite by any stretch, and tests the patience of both the members of this site and the mods...

You have proven to be factually wrong in this thread many times, yet you will not give it up...

There is zero evidence this body will pass "close" by Earth anytime in the near future...Its latest past was over 90 million miles away....What more do you need from the alert members of this site ??

Please give this one up and let it rest...And in the meantime, learn to post properly within the T&C ?

Peace

Ha! Ha! Ha!

I can always learn a few things!


You are pretty bold.


Would you be so bold if I had you as a guest on my Cable show in front of a number of millions?

If you think you have the fear factor conquered enough to come in and suckerpunch somebody when they have lowered their head to bow in humility your way-- then perhaps you have the guts to handle a segment of the show and teach us all what you know?




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Just so folks know, this is my take on SG's last post...

If you organise a satellite link and I'll gladly appear on your cable show anytime, anywho...

But....Cost of satellite time from the US to east coast Australia is mighty expensive...However, give you shot your mouth off, make it happen at your or others expense...If you think its worth a shot, I'm keen

I'm ready...Hope you have the ticker to follow thru

Peace

Satellite is not necessary at all.


You could digital videotape your 8 minute clip and it could be included. You could do it outside so the lighting was good...


What do you have to teach a number of million people audience?
























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As I have already told you privately, say I do send you something for your show as you suggested....Your posts and behavior on this thread say I can't possibly trust you to present what I say un-edited to suit your view or a neutral view...

You honestly think I came down in the last shower ?? Think again...Also, if you have "millions" of disciples that listen to you over cable, then the US has ANOTHER scary situation on its hands...

Some dude who thinks a comet 90 something million miles from Earth poses a threat, but who knows what he's saying to his "millions" of fans on cable every week, fortnight, month or whatever...That in my mind is un-necessary
fear mongering...

You Sir, are a charlatan, and deserve to be run off this board, IMO...

Originally posted by Scienceguy
To date, then-- the biggest near miss we have anywhere near our local space and orbital ringpath remains the passage of Comet V1...

the famous Comet V1 which came down between Mercury and the Sun did a pretty close graze of our space after taking 33,000 years to come in and we would have had a massive poleshift-- had we been in the same spot some 3 months earlier...

"COMET V1"
www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

(Set for Thanksgiving 2001)
ssd.jpl.nasa.gov...

Dude.. give it up. It was 500 million miles away. This one didn't even approach our orbit. Ever.

This is just getting annoying.

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My thats a biggun powered by dick ??!!!

thankyou...couldn't have said it better myself given its way past bed time here...

Thankyou again

Using this board as peer review for untested conclusions is exactly an ideal purpose.

I am quite grateful it did not end up as a post for continual reference on a forum that dealt with such topics as being in that vein as already fully tested.

It takes guts to hop in the lion's den here and put whatever theory or conclusion out there and then dare to stand for what you have put forth through to the end and then do the follow through and-- yes-- even eat crow and yes-- give hearty congratulations to the winners of the debate.

What I have written here has been proven to have integrity, honor, and shown a willingness to even allow such a peer review for such ideas amongst those who could most easily tear it to shreds.

Instead of trying to run such topics off, you should welcome such to be posted here to be so 'tried in the fire' and duly debated

This is exactly the place where such should be posted as the threshingfloor before making it to the other forums.


I clearly have demonstrated that I was acting in complete good faith and the conclusions would have stood to possibly be a valid argument had both the orbital diagram utilities used have had the same basic control functioning.

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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

Originally posted by Scienceguy
To date, then-- the biggest near miss we have anywhere near our local space and orbital ringpath remains the passage of Comet V1...

the famous Comet V1 which came down between Mercury and the Sun did a pretty close graze of our space after taking 33,000 years to come in and we would have had a massive poleshift-- had we been in the same spot some 3 months earlier...

"COMET V1"
www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

(Set for Thanksgiving 2001)
ssd.jpl.nasa.gov...

Dude.. give it up. It was 500 million miles away. This one didn't even approach our orbit. Ever.

This is just getting annoying.

WRONG!

I am not looking at things with just the knee-jerk monkey mind conclusions of old science.

You evidently have little clue as to how a comet such as this can be plasma charged and can quickly develop a tail larger than the Sun:

www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

This is now being discovered to be a force a thousand, billion, billion, billion, billion times more powerful than what we had THOUGHT was the most powerful force-- gravity...


"Thunderbolts of the Gods" (Google Search)

video.google.com...


I posted this earlier and you evidently remained in ignorance for having failed to update on the latest science. (most science you 'think' you know has recently been outdated)

It is Neanderthal thinking that it takes a direct hit of a massively electrically plasma charged body to wreak havoc on the surface of this planet with everything from our weather and storms to the response of the magma and core to affect us at a distance.

You talk as though you know-- and yet you are still not willing to update yourself and your knowledge. I am willing to completely shift into what is found to be correct and without delay, while you champion the way of the Neanderthal and remain in even quoting a position I have moved on from-- and you little understood even that--

What is the definition of ignoramus?



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You have had an entire post of yours removed by admin...You have shown a body which missed Earth by over 90 million miles this time...

So what ?

If it gets a lot closer to us in the future, I hope you are here posting as passionately as you are now...

For that will be the time when we will really need your info and advice...And I will lay London to a brick mainstream scientists will be on top of it well before you are next time around...

Things is, we will both likely be long gone next time round...Anywho, as long as Earth shines blue into the cosmos after same its all good...

Something tells me we can sleep easy for a long time yet...

Peace

AMAZING!

Ha! Ha! Ha!

I guess we can agree on one thing!


Peace in Myanmar!!



[edit on 27-10-2007 by Scienceguy]

I earlier said:

It takes guts to hop in the lion's den here and put whatever theory or conclusion out there and then dare to stand for what you have put forth through to the end and then do the follow through and-- yes-- even eat crow and yes-- give hearty congratulations to the winners of the debate.

What I have written here has been proven to have integrity, honor, and shown a willingness to even allow such a peer review for such ideas amongst those who could most easily tear it to shreds.

Instead of trying to run such topics off, you should welcome such to be posted here to be so 'tried in the fire' and duly debated

It should be apparent to all who read the above--

-- I was "addressing all" -- assuming that " all " were capable of falling into the category of being worthy foes-- characterized as kings of their own forest-- "Lions" These have won the debate and clearly are not these few bottomfeeder hyena coyote types who slink in thinking and hoping in apparently established habit patterns to be able to come on the scene to get some 'easy meat' and 'borrowed glory' from what is left.



any other coyotes left?

I don't mind the practice...



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