Obscure Comet Brightens Suddenly

reply to post by fiftyfifty


What if its not a comet...

I made a post with some speculative theories in the other thread.

Are my theories possible? We know NASA lies constantly. What if they lie about this thing being the same comet that was discovered 1892 and that orbits us every 7 years...

What if its approaching us and they lie about the orbit? Is it possible for private astronomers to calculate its orbit to verify what NASA says?


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reply to post by Copernicus


I'm not sure what's possible but looking at the photos, although it may be an optical illusion, am i alone in thinking that it looks like a very large sphere? The "coma" is actually the main body and the "nucleus" looks like a reflection of the sun in the same way you get a reflection off of any round shiny object.

I just can't get my head around it. If it has exploded and is expanding, then why is it not dispersing and scattering like tuttle earlier this year? Why the tail anomolies? And how the hell can they call something 7 times the size of jupiter a comet?!

reply to post by fiftyfifty


Not sure, but keep your eye on this "comet"... I have a feeling it will continue to grow. Just look at what has happened to it in 8 days...

Is there any way for independent astronomers to calculate its orbit?



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reply to post by Rilence

I appreciate the compliments, but to tell you the truth I didn't use astro jargon because I am still learning it myself.


reply to post by fiftyfifty

What they mean by the size of the comet, is the size of the coma, not the size of the comet nucleus. The nucleus is a very small semi/hard object, but it has emitted a lot of gas and vapor to create the huge coma which is now many times larger than Jupiter. That is how big it would be if you were to travel out to the comet and get close. That is incredible just to imagine.

Originally posted by Copernicus
What if its approaching us and they lie about the orbit? Is it possible for private astronomers to calculate its orbit to verify what NASA says?

I'm sure some could, but I'm also sure the orbit has been confirmed by other professional astronomers across the globe. NASA does not have a monopoly on Space and has no control over what other astronomers in other countries say. Your theory is interesting, but I have not seen anything to support it, and believe me if I did, I would be the first to post it.

edit to add: According to Wikipedia, they say the nucleus of the comet is 3.4km, which is very small, but if it were to hit the Earth, depending on the velocity could cause devastation, but it is NOT heading toward us. So just to clarify, the comet nucleus is not the size of the Moon, just the coma which is made of gas and vapor.

Based on orbital computations and luminosity before the comet's 2007 outburst, its nuclear diameter is estimated at 3.4 km [8]. In late October 2007 the diameter of its coma increased from 3.3 arcminutes to over 13 arcminutes[9], about half the diameter that the Moon subtends in the sky.

en.wikipedia.org...

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reply to post by Copernicus


What makes you think that NASA is saying that? There are lots of non-NASA astronomers world wide observing this comet and trying to understand its eruption.

I don't think there's any reasonable doubt left that it is a comet.

Originally posted by fiftyfifty
And how the hell can they call something 7 times the size of jupiter a comet?!

A very BIG comet?

That was my thought as well... I am surprised the Sitchen crowd haven't jumped on this one screaming "Nibiru is Here!"

But I get a kick out of the skeptics..."Oh its just a comet... the astronomers can't explain why its expanding.... but all is normal... just a comet... move along... nothing to see here..."

SEVEN TIMES THE SIZE OF JUPITER

is NOT normal

Originally posted by Hal9000 So just to clarify, the comet nucleus is not the size of the Moon, just the coma which is made of gas and vapor.

NASA says 7 times the size of Jupiter not Moon (just to clarify )

How big is Jupiter? Its mostly made of 'gas and vapor' too as I recall?



But it still packs one heck of a gravity punch...

Well at least its heading away from us...

Funny though Not one word of this on main stream news. I guess such huge comets are commonplace and people have no interest

Or were they worried about causing panic?

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I think I saw it this morning. It was around 6:30 a.m. central time and I went outside to check on my dog and looked up in the sky. It was bigger than the stars and as bright as the moon. I have never seen anything like it. Was this it?

Are yall sure that it isn't coming towards us?

Originally posted by disownedsky
What makes you think that NASA is saying that? There are lots of non-NASA astronomers world wide observing this comet and trying to understand its eruption.

I don't think there's any reasonable doubt left that it is a comet.

Saying what - that this comet is the same one as the one in 1892? Because they are saying that. Probably because it "sounds" reasonable since the tiny comet in 1982 also brightened up a bit without explaination. But did it grow in size to seven times the diameter of Jupiter? Have you noticed the size change in just 8 days, not mentioning the brightening of the thing of about a millionfold?

I dont trust NASA, thats all. Im screaming for some other source to verify its orbit, its size and its brightness.

Originally posted by stellawayten
Are yall sure that it isn't coming towards us?

It sure acts like it, but NASA denies it and says its the same old comet that pass by every 7 years... now, why doesnt that sound likely to me...


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Has anyone else seen it with the naked eye? If what I saw was it, it is amazing. I want to know that what i saw was it before i start screaming to my family members to start paying attention. why has no one heard anything about this from msm?

I was in awe this morning.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Hal9000 So just to clarify, the comet nucleus is not the size of the Moon, just the coma which is made of gas and vapor.

NASA says 7 times the size of Jupiter not Moon (just to clarify

)

I was referring to the APPARENT size of the coma in the sky, which most are doing right now. The ACTUAL size of the coma is 7 times the size of Jupiter, but because it is so far away that the apparent size in the sky is approaching the size of the Moon.

How big is Jupiter? Its mostly made of 'gas and vapor' too as I recall?

Yeah it is, and a little more dense than the coma of this comet.

Come on zorgon, I know you are smarter than this, you are just trying to stir people up.

reply to post by zorgon


No, the comet is very tiny compared to Jupiter. What you see is a very diffuse cloud of bright erupted material (probably ice) reflecting sunlight. This is just a function of the fact that because it is so small, it has little gravity and any erupted material escapes to form a large cloud.

All over the world, astronomers are taking spectra of the comet. Preliminary scientific results (you know - evidence?) should start rolling in soon.

And no, it's not going to hit the Earth.

reply to post by Copernicus

So Copernicus if this comet was headed right at us and about to hit the Earth in a few days, which it isn't, what difference would it make if NASA told us or not? There would be nothing anyone could do to stop it and in the end it wouldn't matter if you knew a few hours ahead of time, now would it?

If you want drama, please take it to the other thread.

reply to post by Hal9000


I would like to know the truth. I believe it would not be a good idea to tell the public, but Im a curious guy and it would be nice to get some extra time to tell my friends and say goodbye to people.

I do not plan on taking it to another thread. I suggest you stop reading my posts if you dont like them.

Originally posted by Hal9000
I was referring to the APPARENT size of the coma in the sky, which most are doing right now.

I knew that I do believe it was me that posted the NASA gif of the comet over the moon image for 'apparent' size?

And I for one would like to know a few hours before getting wiped out... I know where THEY have those bunkers and I might just have time to get there...

And hell if the world is going to end... I would go out with a bang!

Come on zorgon, I know you are smarter than this, you are just trying to stir people up.

LOL no not really, though many here have accused me of 'tabloid tactics'... I just hate the selective reporting... gas or not its huge, its unusual and if I wasn't on ATS or NASA's email list I would never have heard of it. I am sure it's 'no big deal' to astronomers...

I am sure many in the world would love to see this stuff on the evening news, rather than which gang member shot which cop today...

Besides like it or not sensationalism keeps the marks coming in... boring scientific reports bore most people to sleep

Now then where are those reports explaining this phenomena? Al I have heard from 'astronomers' is could be, may be, probably etc...

Seems they speculate as much as we do...

Originally posted by disownedsky
...(probably ice)

...scientific results should start rolling in soon.

AH! My point exactly

If I post that sort of 'evidence' with my theories, I get called out for it... fair is fair... get back to me when you have that data please, thank you

And no, it's not going to hit the Earth.

I never said it would... I just said we didn't really hear about it until it was moving away



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And hell if the world is going to end... I would go out with a bang!

This is why NASA would not let us know. Can you imagine ALL the people going out with a bang. Sure would make stuff interesting though. I still think they should tell us so we could start trying to figure out a way to survive. It's the only way my family would get off their bums and start doing something a little more proactive.

Originally posted by zorgon

Come on zorgon, I know you are smarter than this, you are just trying to stir people up.

LOL no not really, though many here have accused me of 'tabloid tactics'... I just hate the selective reporting... gas or not its huge, its unusual and if I wasn't on ATS or NASA's email list I would never have heard of it. I am sure it's 'no big deal' to astronomers...

I didn't say astronomers didn't think it is a big deal, because believe me I know a lot of excited people right now. They are just excited because it is probably a once in a lifetime event, not because the world is going to end.

Besides like it or not sensationalism keeps the marks coming in... boring scientific reports bore most people to sleep

I guess thats why my threads usually tank, so I guess I should thank you for drumming up some interest?

Now then where are those reports explaining this phenomena? Al I have heard from 'astronomers' is could be, may be, probably etc...

What? You want one of those "boring scientific reports"? Have insomnia?

I'm just kidding. We all would like to know what caused the comet to do this, but it might be we never really know. It will probably start to dim after a while and that will be that. There may be a consensus among astronomers, but there will also be a few with alternative theories, so no we are not the only ones that speculate. It's one thing to have an open mind, but not so much your brain falls out.

reply to post by Copernicus

You welcome to post if you have questions about the comet, and I don't mind if you talk about your theory, but I do mind when you don't accept an explanation because you don't like it.

If you don't like the answer, then don't ask the question.

There was a thread way back about year 2012 being off of about 5 years. Could it be that this comet has something to do with the end of Mayan calendar now that December is coming? I hope we will have an official story before we jump to our bunkers (another name for self realization or deep prayers).