Violence in Iraq down 70%

Violence in Iraq drops sharply: Ministry.

By Aseel Kami

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Violence in Iraq has dropped by 70 percent since the end of June, when U.S. forces completed their build-up of 30,000 extra troops to stabilize the war-torn country, the Interior Ministry said on Monday.

The ministry released the new figures as bomb blasts in Baghdad and the northern city of Mosul killed five people and six gunmen died in clashes with police in the holy Shi'ite city of Kerbala south of the Iraqi capital.

www.reuters.com...




Get ready, I predict the democrats will attempt to end the war again now. This kind of news is very bad for the democrats.

[edit on 23-10-2007 by Dronetek]

[edit on 23-10-2007 by Jbird]

Yep, everyone who said "The surge will never work," can eat crow now.

[edit on 23-10-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Wow, what a surprise.... Positive news and no one bothers to post... I guess if it's not a thread about how "Eeeevil" America and George Bush are, people don't want to take the time to post... Yeah, big surprise there.

Positive news = bad for the Dems. Why do you think Pelosi et. all pushed the whole Turkish genocide bill? Create another front to create further instability in an already tenuous situation. Anything to create/facilitate more bad news and undermine the current effort. Sad really.....

Finally some good news from Iraq.

Hopefully this is a turning point and will only get better from here.

Originally posted by Dronetek
Get ready, I predict the democrats will attempt to end the war again now. This kind of news is very bad for the democrats.

This kind of news is good for everyone if less people are dying. Maybe you should be glad more because of less people dying than to chalk one up for your team.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Yep, everyone who said "The surge will never work," can eat crow now.

Yes, I was one of those who didn't think the surge would work only because this administration has messed everything else up till then. It's not like they have a good record. It's kind of like kicking a field goal after your down 30 zip.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Wow, what a surprise....

Positive news and no one bothers to post... I guess if it's not a thread about how "Eeeevil" America and George Bush are, people don't want to take the time to post... Yeah, big surprise there.

Wow Speaker, you too obviously don't care about the people being killed, you just want to stick it to someone.

Originally posted by Dronetek

By Aseel Kami

By Aseel Kami? I would rather hear what Scott Ritter had to say about a 70% decrease in violence.

Aseel Kami? Well there is certainly no bias there.

Thanks for the post.

70% reduction in violence eh?
Sounds like it's budget time again... what do you know...

Source
Iraq news briefs: Bush seeks an additional $46 billion to fund wars

Meanwhile in the real world where people don't have to justify illegal warfare to their legislators, Iraq continues to be a bloodbath...

Iraq Sniper Attacks Quadruple
Gunmen clash with security forces in Iraq's Basra
US Military: 11 Dead in Iraq Airstrikes
Iraq, Turkey: Igniting the Kurdish Rivalry
U.S. cannot account for billion-dollar Iraq contract
Nearly 4.5 million displaced and refugees in Iraq, says UNHCR
U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq at 3,834
US tries to stop Turk incursion in Iraq
Madrid train bombings suspect killed in Iraq: Report
Spain charges 22 with recruiting fighters for Iraq
NATO will lease about 20 transport helicopters to fill a gap in the Afghan mission and relieve an overstretched U.S. unit
The war in Iraq is costing about $10-billion a month
Deadly raids into Turkey by Kurdish militants holed up in northern Iraq are the focus of urgent diplomacy, with Turkey threatening invasion of Iraq
Iraqi Journalist Reported Missing After Driver’s Body Found
Kurdish rebels killed 12 Turkish soldiers in an ambush
Iraq: Mahdi army taking control of Basra
The Iraqi army killed three insurgents and detained 59 suspected insurgents during the last 24 hours in different parts of Iraq
Roadside bombing kills policeman in northern Iraq
the Senate has voted 75-23 to acknowledge that Iraq has broken up and cannot be put back together.
IRAQ: Humanitarian concerns growing near Turkish border
PORTLAND - A soldier from Maine has been critically wounded in a sniper attack in Iraq.
Gunmen Clash With Security Forces in Iraq´s Basra
Crossfire War - Heavy Fighting on Both Sides of Turkey/Iraq Border
US Air Force could attack the Kurds of PKK in Iraq
Possible Turkish Blitz on Iraq Confirmed
Iraq: Insurgent group rallies to new Bin Laden call to arms
U.N. challenges U.S. on illegal air strikes in Iraq
16 killed in US chopper attack in northern Iraq
A western Iowa native has died in Iraq. Sergeant Joseph Milledge, of Glenwood, Iowa, was one of two soldiers killed last Friday,
Iraq drawdown to begin in volatile area
Baghdad's Sadr City neighborhood seethed with anger on Monday over a U.S. military raid
Anyway, I could go on and on. 70% reduction in violence is spin and optimistic conjecture at best. I don't believe it now, and I didn't believe it when...

Cooincidence that this amazing new calm and peace that has fallen over the reigon cooincides with the news that Czech, polish, korean, british forces are all pulling out, and with a request for billions more in funding? Yeah, that's soem crow we're eating.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Yep, everyone who said "The surge will never work," can eat crow now.

[edit on 23-10-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Yes. the surge is working in some parts. Places where there is an abundance of US forces. Thats the way it has always been. The US comes into a neighborhood, kicks some ass and then the insurgents head somewhere else. Rinse. Repeat.

Had the OP discussed the ENTIRE article, you can see the "bandaid" approach continuing...and failing.

However, in the northern province of Nineveh, where many al Qaeda and other Sunni Arab militants fled to escape the crackdown in Baghdad and surrounding region, there had been a 129 percent rise in car bombings and a corresponding 114 percent increase in the number of people killed in violence.

Until the positive elements of this surge become a trend - we might want to wait to call it a success.

Looks like there is plenty of crow to go around.



[edit on 23-10-2007 by TruthWithin]

Down 70%

Anyhow, thank you as always Twitchy, for all your research and bringing us the truth.


Just one more thing: I wouldnt cut off my nose to spite my face and i dont think others would; If this WERE true, i would be very happy. Yes, i would be happy for humanity as a human. But as it turns out its nothing but propaganda and lies as usual.

OP, this is not how you submit news.

Check this out: Before submitting news

You also need to utilize the external quote tags.

Quote Reference

Trim Those Quotes!




[edit on 23-10-2007 by cavscout]

Originally posted by cavscout
OP, this is not how you submit news.

Check this out: Before submitting news

You also need to utilize the external quote tags.

Quote Reference

Trim Those Quotes!




[edit on 23-10-2007 by cavscout]

Why all the extra work just to post a new story? This is the terrorism forum, is it not?

Dgtempe, do you have anything, anything at all, to show that this is just "propaganda and lies" or is this just not what you want to hear?


Twitchy, I am certain that most will not read even the tittles of all those threads you posted. Good tactic, you have given the appearance of denying ignorance and putting much hard work into this, but a scroll down your list shows nothing but anecdotal evidence and irrelevant posts.


Cavscout cannot believe the 70% figure either, however Cavscout chooses to withhold judgment until all the facts are on the table.

The fact that the first thing Twitchy did was compile an argument against this news and Dgtempe swallowed his hook without any apparent object thought tells me that people are still more interested in their own brand of bias.

Like I said, I doubt the 70% figure. I do want to see truth more than anything, however, so I feel no urge to discredit a story in order to support my bias.

Originally posted by Dronetek
Why all the extra work just to post a new story? This is the terrorism forum, is it not?

Well it was really the quoting style that got my attention more than the news element. Just trying to help you out; it's always better to shorten your quote the way you want it than have a mod decide what goes.

Originally posted by Hal9000




Wow Speaker, you too obviously don't care about the people being killed, you just want to stick it to someone.

I watch someone "stick it to" the country I love everyday... Am I a bit indignant? You damn betcha I am.

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


Good news!

I hope this is an absolute truth. I've heard they've been messing with the definitions of what "violence" or "casualty" is in Iraq. I hope this isn't a 70% decrease in violence due to the adjusting of what the word "violence" entails in combat.

Originally posted by cavscout
Twitchy, I am certain that most will not read even the tittles of all those threads you posted. Good tactic, you have given the appearance of denying ignorance and putting much hard work into this, but a scroll down your list shows nothing but anecdotal evidence and irrelevant posts.

It wasn't hard work cavscout, I merely looked through today's news. Tactic? LOL paranoia will destroy ya.
As to most people 'not reading even the titles of all those threads I posted', I could care less what you choose not to see or read, it's your mind. Statistics can say anything, and anything can say statistics, but when it comes right down to it, Iraq is a terrible violent place where people are dying daily. There is already talk of a Kurdistan, a Turkish Invasion, War with Iran, Afghanistan is worse as ever, so when a statistic comes out saying violence is down 70%, it pisses me off to see it trumpeted and hearalded as some kind of grandiose affirmation of the continued deployment of American soldiers to a war they had no business being sent into in the first place. You should see some of the other statistics that are NOT being heralded in the US media...
Even sicker is the paritsan crap you guys are attaching to it.
OP's quote from the source...

"The ministry released the new figures as bomb blasts in Baghdad and the northern city of Mosul killed five people and six gunmen died in clashes with police in the holy Shi'ite city of Kerbala south of the Iraqi capital."

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
I watch someone "stick it to" the country I love everyday... Am I a bit indignant? You damn betcha I am.

So we have to be pro-war to be pro-american these days? Have to support our leadership whatever the costs? You gonna wave the flag just as high when Hillary or whoever sends our boys into lately-istan? Germans waved their little flags and cheered their leaders too in the late 30's, they were being good patriotic germans. Maybe your just being a good patriotic american, but nobody's sticking it to your country. It's not YOUR country, for one thing, assuming your an american, it's OUR country see, and this is called dissent, and it's a protected freedom that some of us choose to exorcise when we feel that we have been lied to by the 'elected' leadership, and are spending billions of dollars and sending our fellow countrymen to their deaths.
I think you need to figure out the difference between sticking it to YOUR country, and sticking it to the people that hijacked it for their own purposes.
I'll show you what I'm talking about...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by twitchy
Even sicker is the paritsan crap you guys are attaching to it.

See, you have affirmed my belief that for you it is all about sides.

Just what side I am on Twitchy? What "partisan crap" are you referring to?

Any person who does not immediately seem to be on your side is against you?

I support the truth, not a blind partisan outlook.

So you tell me what part of the partisan crap you think I adhere to.

Originally posted by twitchy
leadership, and are spending billions of dollars and sending our fellow countrymen to their deaths.

Oh, but I'm sure that it would be fine to spend that money to help heroine addicts have clean needles to continue their habit,huh? You know, like they're doing in California..

As far as having to wave the flag if Hillary gets in, I'm not worried about it... God willing, that is not a disaster we'll ever have to encounter.

reply to post by surfinguru


The dems real purpose for pushing the Turkish genocide bill was to close off the main US supply line to iraq, which runs through Turkey. They could never get the votes to do anything in Congress to end the war, so they tried this back door method of jerking around one of our allies. Looks like that is now failing as well. Nevermind that if Turkey got pissed and abruptly cut off the supply line, it would be our own troops (who the dems swear they support) that would end up paying the price.

[edit on 10/23/2007 by centurion1211]