This area is now a waste of time?

I access this site periodicaly throughout the day. I am completely tired of seeing the same thing over and over and over again. I think we need a new forum which needs every topic to be pre evaluated before coming a post. It's like one year from now I guarentee I will be reading a post about if anyone has seen these videos from Haitai, or the brooklyn video again. This is so tiresome. We need a different forum to weed this out!

Frustrated are you?? I often wonder the same thing but we do have to remember that there are a lot of new members. They may not know how to search for previous threads and so on. I usually do a brief search and check out the first couple of posts to a thread that seems interesting. I feel the same way from time to time though, it seems to go in waves. One of the mods in chat recently told me that the influx of crazy threads that seem to repeat or make no sense at all, tends to happen at the beginning of summer (high school). That made a lot of sense to me, since I would assume that there would be lots of younger members that are just playing around, and are not genuinely interested. High school participants are great, but the one time lurker/poster scenario just makes sense to me.

Just some thoughts.....Peace, Mondo

[edit on 23-10-2007 by Mondogiwa]

Its most likely trolls, who post meaningless threads about nothing, kinda like this one

As a new user, it is not always nice to just read what others have said, but also to be involved in active discussion. If the topic has been discussed before in 2005, what is the chance of getting a reply there if I post in a fossilized thread?

There really is no option but to start a new thread, where active discussion between members can take place. Nobody wants to revisit an old thread where ideas have been argued badly, but cannot repeat them, however bad the logic.

It seems natural to re-open the argument with fresh opinions, new members, and different viewpoints.

reply to post by Saurus


I disagree. There has been quite a few threads that we're re-opened after a year of being stagnant. Someone comes across it and just posts, bringing it back to the "recently active" list and it takes off again.

Here's a good example of a thread started in 2003 and was resurrected just yesterday.

ATS Thread


It's perfectly acceptable to add to an old forgotten thread. Sometimes it will attract new members to topics they were looking for in the first place.

My $.02
Cuhail


[edit on 10/23/2007 by Cuhail]

While I agree with you to an extent, I still don't think it's always good.

Most importantly, I think discussions are much more spontaneous and arguments much better constructed where the foundations (the premisses of the argument) are laid down by those actively involved in the discussion.

Secondly, many people are not prepared to read through the entire old thread, especially where the threads are hundreds of posts long and went badly off-topic. If they just continue without reading, the continued thread then becomes no less repetitive than starting a new thread, but worse, in the sense that brand new members (who are prepared to read the whole thread) will now have to read the same arguments over and over again in the same thread, rather than reading them just once if they had been posted in a new thread.

What i have been reading here are CGI videos, real or fake questions.?!

I really dont like those ppl who try to make UFO by CGI without telling ppl the videos are fake.
they just wanna mess it up?

I dont care real or fake in those videos.....coz many ppl and I've already seen real UFO by eyes.

Personally, i usually ignore what i find prior to two or three years ago, due to the continuity of the internet based community it's quite likely that someone will have gone over it beforehand.

Alas because of this it seems that the duties ensured to me by my membership is going to a tad difficult to fulfill, unless i were to focus on modern day dilemmas and mysteries.

Naturally, however - it's important to remember that if the thread has personal significance to the individual that the individual should not fear any kind of reprisal as long as he states that there is personal significance.

It may be the case that because of the personal insight or experience, one may approach the subject from a new angle, or that seeing as the dust has had a chance to settle, new thoughts can arise due to the vacation of the mind from the subject.

So, in starting a new thread;

1: How big is this? Is it likely someone else will have found it?

2: Can i bring any new thought to this discussion, as in - that which is not instantly obvious?

3: Is this discussion ready to progress to the next step?

By following these simple rules, i guarentee that you will have no troubles where thread-resurrection is the word.

reply to post by Saurus


So, you're saying "instead of reading what's been discussed, possibly to concurance, is not so important as me re-asking the same question over again"?
People here have been contributing to a craterful of insight long before I came here in 2005. Topics discussed and opinions gathered for many to see with a quick search. These topics SHOULD be read because they are what made this site what it is. Any given topic you can think of has been poured over ALREADY with research made and already performed. You are implying that all that research should be re-sought and re-posted because you don't have the patience to read them? I'd almost say that's selfish and lazy.
Do the long division, man. Don't job it out. The information is already here and posted. To ignore it because it's a "long read" says you like the instant gratification so many are too used to.

Again, two more pennies for the bucket,
Cuhail

I personally do read whole threads before posting, and reply to old ones (in fact, if you look at my profile, you will see that I have never started a single thread) for this very reason.

However, we live in a world which is not ideal, and I have been annoyed in the past by reading threads where every 5 pages or so, we go round and round in circles, because of people who haven't read the thread. It is at times like these that I have wished that the threads were shorter, and that I only had to see each argument presented once.

Of course, my last sentence is, I guess, the very same reason why you do not like threads repeated.

But, to me, it's worse reading it again and again in the same thread...

[edit on 23-10-2007 by Saurus]

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Hey, don't get me wrong. I hate trudging through the long, monotonous threads to glean the good stuff too. But, if I am going to open a new thread on the subject already covered, I want to make darn sure I don't ask a silly, already-answered question in my new query. I tell everyone to read more and post less. It saves the previous authors and those who worked their butts off to compile all the data the aggravation of seeing someone ignore it.

I welcome you to ATS. I welcome you to open new threads, which I will read and discuss. But read a bit too. It's really a pain in the neck sometimes, but, usually worth it.

C

Don't deprive us newbies the chance to make a fool of ourselves. My first and only thread was an embarasment. But it taught me to be factual and to reserch a subject before I start a thread again.

I am thankful ats members did not insult me after my terrible thread. My thanks to all of you again.

In my opinion for a newbie to test the water and also to see if he/she can swim is to just jump on in. Many of us sink but hopefully we will float back up and post threads more to your standards Williamjklopp.

Are you suggesting censorship of threads?

Might I suggest you look into fourms conducted by the mensa society. That might be more stimulating for you.

Dizzie

All I have seen is that after a summer of hoax after hoax this forum is gradually going back to its normal level, many high school kids and college kids have better things to do know than invade the forum with nonsense, we still have the reptilian crowd but I they not allow to post here no more, so we back to normal here.

Just wait until next school break and you see what I mean. If UFO activity were that common then you will see more activity here, me I personally like it when we have less nonsense to weed out than the hoax rush we had here in the summer.

And no censorship please, I always think its better to let people decide what's garbage and what's not.

To the OP's idea of a juried thread, where it is reviewed by staff prior to posting, I think the idea has potential, but is probably not right for ATS. That would take some serious staff time, which my guess is they don't have. Perhaps it could be done by 'subject matter experts,' but there is already dissension in the ranks over that, since every 14 year old thinks he is as knowledgeable in the subject as someone who has been studying it for 30 years. That's a result of the egalitarian nature of a forum, not ATS, which isn't egalitarian at all. We also have the problem of the forums being moderated often by people who are not subject matter specialists, which has resulted in some mistaken moderation once in awhile, because the moderator didn't understand the discussion.

I think it's just kind of a slow time right now. I have a buddy who says he quit ATS for a year, came back and couldn't tell that he'd left off. Subjects are bound to repeat. That's natural. It's also natural for someone to roll their eyes at another iteration of something they have just been through the mill on. Although a lot of good ideas come out of a forum that are beneficial to users, a forum itself is unlikely to move forward or progress. It's against its very nature.

[edit on 10/23/2007 by schuyler]

What we need is a feedback meaning we should know who's an expert in here to analyse videos, what has been analysed, how etc...

Sometimes you see someone who write on this board "this one has been proven fake", "this one also" etc... but at the end of the day you still wonder if first this guy was real(because afterall i don't know who i'm talking to precisely) and second if the analysis was that serious.


Assuming these people are "identified" and that they'll have enough work to tackle i suggest we (the common users...such as yours truely) use a software(freeware) to pre- analyse the videos we can find on the net

In other words, we need a freeware ATS certified so that way we could have references ..... maybe i dunno.

For instance i remember (2 years ago) a freeware to debunk photoshopped pictures something like before photoshop and after.


I think that's the only way to make a significant progress, otherwise we'll be always doubting about the veracity of the analysis and talking in the wind.(french expression )

THEMASTER








[edit on 23-10-2007 by themaster1]

William,

I could not agree more. All I see is the same useless dribble, doom & gloom, "i got the secret info nonsense" "I know whats gonna happen crud" "Bush's fault", "9/11 nonsense"

do I have to go on?

This site is out of control. There cannot be all of these conspiracies going on at the same time.

If you look at all these threads, there are a ton of conspiracies which makes the site look rediculous.

Originally posted by wildone106
Its most likely trolls, who post meaningless threads about nothing, kinda like this one

Every post I see of yours is a bash at someone. I would really like to know how you do this soo much and haven't been banned by now. Your post are also rarely more than two lines long. Like you purposely stretch it out past the one line rule.

Originally posted by themaster1
What we need is a feedback meaning we should know who's an expert in here to analyse videos, what has been analysed, how etc...

Would that you could do that, I agree. But every time we have one of those issues it becomes a matter of 'dueling experts.' "This is CGI!" "No, it isn't!" "I'm an expert!" "I am, too." At one point in the drone CGI debates Springer went out of his way to call in an expert from the UK, who discussed his reasons why the drones were CGI. All he got for his trouble were a legion of droino fans saying, "You don't know nuthin!" This is just another example of how it is impossible to gain much ground in a forum. It's one thing to allow the 'free expression of ideas' and quite another to be able to recognize expertise and advancement in a subject area. This is also another example of how ATS doesn't 'deny ignorance' so much as promote it.

Originally posted by schuylerThis is also another example of how ATS doesn't 'deny ignorance' so much as promote it.

uuhh.,.. that's gotta hurt.

But I see your point, and the OP's as well..

It's kind of boring to see all the same fake stuff all the time and the nonsense as well. And adding to that, people lacking in respect for each other.

This place is like an "ego arena". Whoever vomits more ludicrous ideas win.

Peace

Maybe it was set up this way so we can go back and bring up an old thread if needed to. That's why they're all listed in order from the first to now. I personally wish there was a software program that would automatically let the poster know if this topic has been discussed and show you what thread to go to. But still if someone wanted to add to that thread after reading it all the way through ( I hope ), then it will still bring it back up to the front. Now I know we're all guilty now and then with mispelling a word, but please; use your Preview post and read your post back to yourself and you just might spot the words that you mispelled. Please