A Thought on Time and its characteristics

Originally posted by lonemaverick
Interesting, Saurus. I was looking for a bit of info on traveling faster than light and came upon this article, www.newscientist.com.... It says that the speed of light was less than it is now about 2 billion years ago. It's quite interesting, and also brings up questions about the variability of time, since it passes more slowly if you are moving.

I quote from the article:

"A varying speed of light contradicts Einstein's theory of relativity, and would undermine much of traditional physics."

If this is the case, then Einstein's theory is wrong (as I suspect it is). If Einsteins theory is wrong, then there is no longer a requirement that nothing the speed of light be a 'speed limit,' since this is restricted to that theory.

Theories are just that - theories. You're supposed to improve on them.

I think our lack of understanding is due to two main factors:

1. Our limited knowledge of dark matter
2. Our limited knowledge of quantum

Dark matter will be a difficult one to overcome, methinks...

Originally posted by PhotonEffect
How about this...

Without time there is still motion...

to adapt your words:
Without motion there is still time..

but you also said without time there is still motion..
motion that is still.. or not moving..
or.. Without time there is motion that does not move.

and you can adapt my adaptation of your words to say that i said that without time.. motion doesnt exist.. which i first said and then corrected as i saw it..

you should correct yourself too.. dont know how you could/should but its just a play on words. Stop playing with words. makes me play with them in a unmeaningful way. Or at least structure something relatively new with the words you play with.

And saurus.. 'youthinks' and 'methinks' are the same on your "methinks"
^_^
Althought i couldnt offer much supportive conversation.. im sure you could. I just dont know enought about the dark matter stuff.

-G

[edit on 2-11-2007 by GlahES]

[edit on 2-11-2007 by GlahES]

The Wikipedia article on Dark Matter is a good read.

It covers just about everything we know on the subject. What is known is that it makes up most of the mass in the universe, and cannot be observed with our current technology, since it neither emits nor absorbs in any part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

[edit on 2-11-2007 by Saurus]

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Thanx saurus! ill deffinately check it out.. and yah i knew the basics.. just couldnt have put that as well as you did.

Thanks for the link, though!

-G

Time exists, it's been proven by experiments that the faster you travel, the slower time passes in your frame of reference, so please stop all this "time doesn't exist" crap. What we are trying to figure out, I believe, is what time is. Back on topic, though. I really don't like dark matter, it seems kind of like a cop-out physicists used when they discovered they didn't know why galaxies rotate the way they do, and to explain why the universe is expanding. I personally think that its caused due to gravity being able to travel between branes, which some string theory models predict. Another interesting note though, is that time also slows when you're in an extremely strong gravitational field. Anyone have any ideas about that? This website explains it but it's a bit murky on some details.www.perimeterinstitute.ca.../1/

eh.. i dont even know how to respond to that.. i understant that time exists but your post made me want to argue with you on that..

i wont speak on yoru position against dark gravity.. however your explination is a cop out as well.. since we cant prove "branes" exist either.. so.. i duno what your trying to say there.. cept maybe the easiest solution isnt always the right one.. but your not Exactly saying that.. i duno. what were you saying? hi!

-G

Lonemaverick, you are making the assumption that Einstein's theory of relativity is correct.

With that assumption, time can be fairly well understood. However, there are many today (myself included) that feel that Einstein was wrong, and that his model does not explain what he says it does.

I don't believe that we can make that assumption, and time, therefore, suddenly takes on many new possibilities...

There is a difference between dimensional time and the perception of the flow of time.

Dimensional time is fairly straightforward and involves no issues of movement and change of things. It simply defines the extent of a phenomenon (object/event) in the universe. When we ask, Where is this phenomenon? we have to define where it exists in the universe. So we select a mutually agreed (arbitrary) zero point for our defintion as the origin, and then say that it is at so-and-so on the x axis, so-and-so on the y axis, so-and-so on the z axis, and at so-and-so on the t axis (time).

The properties of things changes as they move in the t axis, but that's not mysterious or related to perception or flow of time: The properties of things change as they move in every axis irrespective of time. For example, the potential induced in a conducting coil varies according to its distance from a magnetic field. The force exerted on a massive body (gravity) is different according to its distance from another massive body. And likewise, the properties of things change if they change position in the t axis. To say that something "ages" is no different from saying that its properties change as changes position in the t axis.

And, far more complicated but essentially no more strange, the physical processes which constitute our consciousneesses change, meaning that our consciouness/experience changes as we move through the t axis as well. Our psychological makeup has meant that we call this "perceiving the flow of time", but there is nothing that is really flowing or moving past us - we are the ones moving in the axis. The psychological feeling is merely an evolutionary response to the fact that things alter as they change their position in the t axis.

Cheers.

Rob.

[edit on 5-11-2007 by d60944]

We are moving at any point in our lives, on planet earth, around 100,000KPH

Thats how fast the earth is orbiting the sun.

Time and movement are manifestations of the human species to understand its surroundings, nothing more nothing less. One can argue of vast mathematical models, just like meteorologists do (got any darts?)

Unless you have an exact replica of the universe we live in, and are able to fast forward it, there is no predicting anything(mathematical models).

I believe the universe has no bounds, can go small forever, and can go large forever.

some would say we are babies, I say we have not even reached the egg.

Originally posted by R3KR
Time and movement are manifestations of the human species to understand its surroundings,

i dont see your point. call movement snarfblat and time will be the dinglehopper..

does anyone else see his relevant point? i see none..

[R3KR sees motion]
"This is wonderful! A banded, bulbous - snarfblat. "

heh

let me correct at least the statement i quoted
'Time and movement are words manifested by the human species to understand its surroundings'

that is all your saying.. to say humans created oxygen because they called it 'oxygen' is... horrible. and therefore 'oxygen' doesnt exist since humans made it up in their mind..

really gettign tired of trying to show how this view is freaking retarded.

then they usually go on to say "thats not what im saying.. what im saying is.." then say exactly the same thing worded slightly different..

its maddening.

-G

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I rather enjoyed your post.. the t-axis thing.. havent heard that aspect brought up before. Thanks for explaining that!

-G

TIME TO THE EARTHLING IS THE MEASUREMENT OF THE EARTH AS IT RELATES TO THE SUN. IF THERE WERE NO EARTH AND THERE WERE NO SUN THERE WOULD BE NO TIME ON EARTH BUT AS OTHER OBJECTS EXIST THERE COULD BE MEASURED TIME AS THOSE OBJECTS RELATE TO EACH OTHER. ALL PHYSICAL OBJECTS ARE TEMPORARY SO THE MEASUREMENT OF TIME IS ALSO TEMPORARY, THEREFORE TIMES DOES NOT EXIST. ONLY INFINITE NEVER ENDING NOTHINGNESS EXISTS AS IT HAS FOREVER.