Shelby, NC may have wrong killer in 'Little Brown Girl' slaying! Pretty sure I know who did!

This long overdue suspect in murder/rape trial of Brenda Sue Brown, age 11 at the time, might be wrong guy. I'm pretty sure that I know who did it!
My family and I thought that this was solved, 7-8 years ago. We were led to believe that the family had been told. Some controversy about the name of the little girl. Part of the report lists her as Patricia, the other is Brenda Sue. Seems that I recall her name as being Brenda Sue. More often than not, she is mostly referred to as, 'The little Brown girl,' by most area residents.

I wasn't going to post anything more that was personal about my family, but SORRY! There comes a time when you have to do the right thing! This issue was brought to the attention of the FBI, and if I am not mistaken; the SBI as well. by my brother, Kenneth Dale Watson.
He reported what he knew of that day, because he was mad at my mom, and hoped to have her arrested for withholding what he believed to be evidence.
I have vague memories of that awful day when the little girl went missing She was about my age, as I recall. I did not know her. But her story made headlines! See below post for more info and website link. After you read her story; I will tell you what different members in my family observed.


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External news source.
www.wcnc.com...

"I remember everything about that day, it never left me,” said Patricia Buff, the victim's sister.

Big sister Brenda Sue Brown walked little sister Patricia to school. The family was scared. A man exposed himself to another sister two days before. Brenda watched Patricia walk away.

"That was the last time I saw her alive, she waived goodbye to me,” she said.

I will continue below and give reasons for my beliefs. I thought that it was settled before the year 2001, who killed that little girl! Imagine my surprise reading this!

Mod Edit: External Source Tags – Please Review This Link.

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Janastar there are no links, you must have forgotten them.

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Oh there they are when I wrote you the second post was not there.

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excuse me,
double post.

www.wcnc.com...

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Originally posted by goose
Janastar there are no links, you must have forgotten them.

edited to add
Oh there they are when I wrote you the second post was not there.

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Let me try again.
www.wcnc.com...


The below 'INSERT' is a copy of what I sent to WCNC Investigators


"In reference to this story, I firmly believe that you have the wrong man. My brother reported to FBI, who was strongly believed to be responsible. The FBI investigated and said they believed that my brother was correct.
But the person that we believe to be guilty, is somewhere that he isn't likely to do harm.. So, their comments were that the trail was too old to be dug up, and this person would never be free again.
So what's up? Did the trail get hot again/? I know what I know, because this man is related to me.

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I learned a lot from past mistakes in posting on ATS. For the time-being,
I will stay away from emotionally sensitive topics, that could send me into a depression. I have decided to use the ignore button at any time that I deem necessary, to maintain ATS decorum, maturity and soundness-of-mind.
I am going to follow suggestions of past viewers and get as much into each post, as is allowable and necessary. I will use Wordpad or notepad to do this.

1:47 AM 10/20/2007





What I remember about the day(s) surrounding Brenda Brown's murder!


The reason that I am telling you this story at this late date, and

did not know until last evening that an arrest had been made of the

accused in 2006 (according to newsreports), is:
It was the strangest thing; my brother and I were talking about

some of our misfortunate bygone days, after I returned from the

hospital. Something in his recounting of one of our relative's abuses

toward some of us as children, just happened to bring up the tragic

story of,
'The Little Brown Girl,' of Shelby, NC. I had 'sort of' kicked around

the idea of posting this story on ATS, since I had some personal

insight into it.
We had what we firmly believed to be a whole lot of (at least)

circumstantial evidence, that was given to the FBI or SBI of NC. The

reason that I list both is because my brother Kenny, made the call and

I do not recall who that he said that he called first. At the time, of

his call to them, he was living in Ok.
I was living in Texas, but I remember the fallout from his call, and

what is hearsay about his call; from my Mom, and some of my other

brothers and sisters.
Kenny reported this little tidbit a year or two before his death in

2001. He was angry at Mom, because he had NOT forgiven her past

transgressions. He was so angry at her that he wanted her sent to

prison for withholding evidence. So he got boozed up and made the call.
Things did not quite go as he planned. The agents did talk to Kenny,

then they went to see our Mom.
My Mom was petrified! The reason she gave for not reporting it, was

that, 'she could not be absolutely certain that this relative did it

and
did not wish to stir up unnecessary trouble. Very, very shortly

afterward, she felt that the situation remedied itself. He had to be

taken away.
Until I know for sure about the legal rammifications of using his name;

He will remain, 'The Relative.' How about if we call him Jarvis for the

present, until I ascertain legal avenues, of doing otherwise. Because,

believe me! I have NO interest in protecting this man. My siblings and

I knew him to be a pedophile! Maybe this one will not go 'unscathed.'
And for those waiting to get their digs; Believe whatever you like.
I am unsure whether to post some of his childhood history, for fear that it may lead to his identity, before I get clearance on identifying him. If it is okay; You better believe that I will NOT hesitate to expose HIM. Relative or not!
When I think of the suffering that was infringed on that child's family, I get all the madder. I would have said something sooner, but it was my understanding, that Little Brenda's parents were told all about it and assured that he was where he would do no more harm. That was the last that I ever heard of it until NOW!
For all that I or anyone else knows; The man on trial could be innocent. So I sent an e-mail to the TV station that aired this recent finding. I want to speak with one of their investigators and find out, just what evidence there is on this man.
If Jarvis is innocent; That will be ONE crime that he is cleared of. I don't think that my siblings wish to pursue charges of their own, at this point. We would like to forget him. And knowing about more things of Jarvis' doing, (that I wasn't privvy to before yesterday), ALL that I can say is, "Let the chips fall!"
I may be running out of room to post anymore in this segment. So, I will continue in next post, to give details as I remember them, and as I have heard them repeated to me.

Thank you for listening, thus far.

While I am preparing the next post; I just wanted to share something pretty eerie. The accused looks a lot like Jarvis, and maybe even somewhat like he might look today; except that at times, Jarvis tends towards a weight problem. Not sure if he did then or not, because he fluctuated a lot.
I noticed this similarity as I was going back over the news source. I did not pay him very much attention at the time, because I was sure that he was the wrong guy!
Any of you really smart ATS'ers, have ideas on how I might right this wrong, in the event that it is a wrong? When I post the rest of the details, you will see why Jarvis' own family believes him guilty.

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I really am sorry folks! I just took the initiative to call Shelby Police Dept. in NC. I have been asked to halt further posting of any facts surrounding this topic, about my relative. until I am further instructed by, Det. Sammy Endicott. I have a telephone appointment to talk with him 10/22/2007 @ 11:00 AM.

I might also need to do some editing, if anything could hamper case. I believe my details possibly struck a wire.

Need help from some of the Mods. Plz help see if there is anything posted here, that might prevent a fair investigation. I don't necessarily mean on behalf of Jarvis, either. Well, anyway; as I said, "Let the chips fall and hopefully in the right place. Forty years is too long!

Opened breaking news topic on this.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Yeah, I'd wait until after you see the Det. Bring a copy of what you've written so far (or at least be able to point his web browser the right way) just so he can see that so far you haven't made any TRUE accusations, and that you're just saying that you THINK ol' Jarvis did it. (That should be covered by the first amendment). But, anyway, hold off on posting your thoughts until you clarify with the police what is permissible, and what is advisable. (Granted, they will probably say it's advisable to delete the thread entirely). If that is the case then wait until the trial is over, and post it then.

Originally posted by MostlyHarmless
Yeah, I'd wait until after you see the Det. Bring a copy of what you've written so far (or at least be able to point his web browser the right way) just so he can see that so far you haven't made any TRUE accusations, and that you're just saying that you THINK ol' Jarvis did it. (That should be covered by the first amendment). But, anyway, hold off on posting your thoughts until you clarify with the police what is permissible, and what is advisable. (Granted, they will probably say it's advisable to delete the thread entirely). If that is the case then wait until the trial is over, and post it then.

Thank you so much for your input. But this wasn't exactly what I meant. You see, the FBI or SBI, agreed, several yrs ago; that Jarvis was the murderer/rapist and that they WOULD inform the family.
Someone lied! There has no such thing been done. Obviously.

Maybe you should just see if this can be retracted by the owners of the site until you get everything straightened out.

If this man is not the right man and convicted we don't want red tape to have an old timer die where he doesn't belong.

It would be horrific if the real murderer and rapist would get away because of your post here at ATS and they always seem to find every little thing.

Be careful and my best to you.

Originally posted by observe50
Maybe you should just see if this can be retracted by the owners of the site until you get everything straightened out.

If this man is not the right man and convicted we don't want red tape to have an old timer die where he doesn't belong.

It would be horrific if the real murderer and rapist would get away because of your post here at ATS and they always seem to find every little thing.

Be careful and my best to you.

What you you say is taken to heart. But the reason the story is posted IS so that the wrong man does NOT go to prison. I want it to stand at least until I make certain that they are going to do the right thing.

Since I know the whole story, I might be assuming that the readers are totally understanding what is taking place here, and that may NOT be the case. If you have any confusion, please ask, I will try to clear that for you. I don't want anything swept under the rug for convenience sake. I AM trying to protect the man on trial because I do NOT believe he did this.

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EDIT to ADD: After re-reading this post, it may appear confusing to the reader; Let me CORRECT myself.
[the reason the story is posted IS so that the wrong man does NOT go to prison] Incorrect. I originally began posting this story because I wanted to expose the my relative as the TRUE killer, and I wish the story to remain until we see how the info that I give to Det. Endicott on Monday morning will be handled.
Maybe I watch too many true detective shows, where the wrong man gets convicted, out of convenience; but I do NOT want this to happen here. Please understand.

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The more that I re=read this, the more confusing that it seems. I do not want to use a lot of seperate posts to explain it, lest someone accuse me of trying to gain points or bump my thread. That is NOT what this is about.

So, Let me try again to explain, because I want this to be crystal clear.

I am afraid that a cover-up is under way for some reason that I do not understand. This issue was supposed to have been resolved and explained to the Brown Family of Shelby. If the readers here have also read my threads under, 'Lincoln County Witch' and 'I rented Hell House,' you will see that my family and I did live in Shelby, NC.
I don't recall if I gave timelines in either story that directly places us in Shelby in 1966, but I know that my school records will; as well as the records of my siblings.
I even remember our address there at that time. We had several different addresses while living in Cleveland County, but I remember this one as well as most all the other ones. We moved a lot. I don't think I should give the exact house number address, but, the street address was; Hillcrest dr. in Shelby. We lived near a furniture store at the time that was called, Lutz Furniture. Do not know if it still exists. We stopped by there every afternoon walking home from school(almost), because they had pkgd candy inside. We sometimes saved our lunch money and spent it there.

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For those of you who may be interested in more background that I would deem harmless at this point and while we are awaiting a semi-clearance from NC, I thought that I would take this opportunity to add some info and hopefully clear up some things as well. (and I am doing this in wordpad).
Approximately a year or so before my mom's death in 2006, I became interested in genealogy for several reasons; #1. I always wanted to know about my native american ancestry. I have it on both sides. My dad was a little more proud and open about his heritage, except when he was outside the family. But he departed for Florida when I was about five or six years old, as some of you already know. I did meet up with him again, later in life before he passed away in 1982 or 1983. That will probably be another story in itself another day, another time.
#2. I wanted to help my mom get her NA ancestry established to help get NA benefits to help with her medical benefits, so that she could remain living at her home in Charlotte, NC. Could not, because it seemed that none of her NA relatives had ever signed the rolls. As a matter-of-fact, neither had my dad's people. That wouldn't have helped Mom any if his people had, because Mom had remarried. I mainly just wanted to know about my people and leave a legacy to my son, who resides in Shelby, NC. (I did find him! And have 3 granddaughters)!
At this point, I would like to include an e-mail that I sent to Lincoln county Records Dept in NC, in order to get a birth certificate on my g'pa, Jesse Dixon Houser. This was so that if, NA lineage on the Indian Rolls was proved, I could prove my Mom's ancestry link. In case some of you suspicious-minded folk are still around that think I am trying to squeeze money out of any issue I can; This would not have been the way for myself. It would only have worked for my mom. Her G'mom was only 1/2 indian. Mom was the cut-off point for benefits. But there was none to be had. Anyway, here is the link, and hopefully another shred of proof, that I am who I say that I am:


From: "Elaine Harmon"

The above post was exactly 8000 words, so I have to add something here. The reason that there was a cut-off date of 1913 of Lincoln County Court House records was because the original court house burned to the ground. There is no birth certificate for my g'pa Jesse Dixon Houser. That is not relevant to this thread, but just wanted to stay abreast of any questions or doubts that may arise.
Also, just to make it perfectly clear; Jarvis will NOT turn out to be my g'pa. My g'pa was the most decent man I ever knew next to my step-dad and my ex-husband Ron.

Just realized something very important that might blow this case wide open! My sister Lorna and I put our heads together trying to bring back as many facts about that era as possible, before my upcoming telephone appointment in the morning w/ Shelby Police detective Endicott.

We realized something that might explain why Jarvis was kept a secret. Jarvis was institutionalized in 1966 at the very same time of the disappearance and murder of Brenda Sue Brown. He drank a bottle of furniture polish so that he could be sent to Broughton State Hospital in Morganton, NC. for attempted suicide. He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and has not ever been released since. Please stay focused, this might explain a lot!

There were a lot of experiments done on patients of Broughton Hospital from the 1950's onward with electro-shock treatment. Jarvis was one of them. This was not his first visit to this hospital. He began going there in his teens, and receiving shock treatments. These treatments were purely experimental at the time. Before it was over, he was more vegetable than human. The type human that we knew Jarvis to be, this was not necessarily a bad thing. There are those of us who know him to be a very bad person. Pedophile included.

What Lorna and I are thinking is, that maybe the state of NC was afraid of a lawsuit, if they tried to prosecute Jarvis for this crime. Because he is or may be damaged goods. But we know that he knew the difference between right and wrong that day. His actions pretty much speak for themselves. Maybe that's why everything was swept under the rug! Well, it won't float!

If the detective will not listen to me, I will contact Price's (the accused's) attorney. Since I am not posting Jarvis' real name, I cannot possibly be damaging his chances of a fair trial.

Edit to add:
I have told the readers before in other threads, that Lorna is not pc literate. She has a photo of Jarvis at the same era of time. I think I remember that pic. He was on a short visit back from broughton. If I'm not mistaken, it is a frontal view. I recall reading that the Brown sisters saw a man exposing himself prior to the event. Hope that the remaining sister's memory is as good as mine is sometimes.

Anyway, Lorna is going to snail-mail the pic, and I will post it. This all depends on how things go with det. endicott tomorrow. He will be on EST and I am on CST., NC vs TX.


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After much searching, just now found out who the attorney is representing the accused. His name is Colin McWhirter of Shelby, NC. It was after 1:00 am eastern time when I rang his home phone. He was a little irritable when he answered, but got over it pretty quickly, when I explained why I was calling at such a gosh-awful hour.
Some of you may disagree, but I believe that I spoke to the right person first. You would have to know Jarvis to totally agree with me. Mr. McWhirter personally knows Mr. Price and we agree on this issue. Mr. Price did not do this crime.
Most of you ATS'ers are smart enough to know that sex offenders and pedophiles are repeat-offenders(if they are free in society). Who was free with a clean record and who was locked away where he could NOT do further harm?

. We recall the times he trapped us in a building on g'pa's property in Lincolnton and threatened to pour Red Devil Lye on us if we did not cooperate. I still remember the picture of the little red devil on the can.

Just for the record, I wanted to state: Jarvis could turn on that vegetable act at will, when it suited him. He had no problem coming out of his vegetative state some years ago and frightening some poor lady nearly to death, who had only shown kindness to him. He had been transferred out of Broughton Hospital to a nursing home, because he was considered well-behaved. It was a new type of treatment program in it's experimental stage. Jarvis did well until he did not get his way about something. Don't remember exactly what it was. I think he wanted a beer or a radio, but he told that lady that blood would run those halls until he got what he wanted.

He scared her so badly, that she called Broughton Hosp and told them to return Jarvis to their custody, or she would not work for them another second. She had dealt with many patients, insane and otherwise, and she knew beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Jarvis meant what he said.

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Jarvis IS NOT in Broughton Hospital any longer!! It has just come to my attention! He is in another rest home environment in Cleveland County! Just completed taped interview with affilliate of Price's Atty's office. Then I spoke to my sister Lorna by phone. She didn't know that I wasn't aware he had been re-released to yet another nursing home environment!

I don't believe there is enough supervision on HIM in this environment!


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Mods! I think that at this point that a public announcement needs to be made! Jarvis could be a public menace! My sister just reminded me of an event that made the local television news in Charlotte, about him.
I suppose I had repressed the memory. A female reporter named Janet Volz did the story. Jarvis escaped from Broughton Hospital in 1978 or 79 making threats to find my sister Lorna and me and kill us.
They had helicopters sweeping the Charlotte area looking for him. They spotted him in the vicinity of Sam Wilson Rd. Lorna recalls seeing the newscast of his capture. I do not. I have absolutely NO recall. Our brother Mark(not real name) heard the alert first, and called Lorna to tell her to have me and her beware of him, because he was on escape and looking for us to kill us.

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God help us, if he finds out we talked!

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Have been trying frantically to reach my son in Shelby to no avail. And I don't think I need anyone's permission to do this, but this is a general alert! If you live in the Cleveland County, NC area and you are related to me, please keep your daughters close!

If your daughters bear the same last name as my son, and if you have bothered to check my genealogy that I have posted, you will know who that is; Please beware!

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