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Originally posted by area512012
How did he Hoax the footage?
Originally posted by Springer
posted on 18-2-2007 @ 04:46 PMsingle this post
Clean up
It seems Sundays are the day I get stuck spending a couple hours cleaning up threads in this forum...
SOUTHPAW: PLEASE REFRAIN from posting religious/spiritual matters in the UFO/Aliens Forum.
We have a Religion and Spirituality Forum just for that.
I have tried to clean up the bulk of the OFF topic, religious stuff in this thread but the task is daunting so it's as good as it's going to get.
Forzenthought was banned because of two reasons:
First and foremost he is perpetuating a HOAX and hoping to stir up buzz for a DVD they plan to sell of that HOAX by using our site to get the attention of the MILLIONS of PEOPLE who come here. SkepticOverlord, Simon Gray and I DO NOT work our butts off keeping ATS up and constantly growing so HOAXERS can advertise their tripe FOR FREE.
Secondly, he just pissed me off with his snide comeback to my "Trim Quotes" post. And the guy who thinks that's a "GAY" reason to ban someone, well I really don't care what you think but I'll say that the day YOU go build a site with a database in the TERABYTES and keep it fast and don't care about how many times it has to reproduce THE SAME THING is the day I'll ask YOU how you did it.
Now, this AboveTopSecret.com, NOT HoaxersFreeAdvertisingNetwork.com. We deny ignorance here we don't advertise falsehoods for free.
This site costs thousands of dollars a month to keep up and running and we TURN DOWN people who have tripe like this who want to PAY US to allow them to present it here. At least those folks have the decency to ASK first.
This site is dedicated to the average person being able to get their experience, video, pictures, etc... out there and have a community of intelligent people look at it. There are countless examples of HONEST people who thought they captured something on video and presented it here. After thorough examination and evidence that points to a common explanation they APPRECIATE the knowledge gained and move on.
The HOAXERS, to a person, ALWAYS go through a similar gyration (as astutely pointed out above by torsion )as Frozenthought did here. They go to great lengths to try to deflect from the discovered reality. ATS doesn't "Play That".
I received a U2U from someone who obviously can't figure out how to deny ignorance this morning claiming that we are all in the CIA or something equally stupid because we shot down a hoaxer. This is exactly the mentality that keep the hoaxers in business. As long as there are gullible, ignorant people there will be a market for bunk. That's okay I am a free market businessman, the difference is a matter of ETHICS in my mind, selling something that has been identified as unidentified is just fraud IMHO.
Did Frozenthought actually believe he was filming a UFO when shot that video? I don't know but it sure seems HIGHLY UNLIKELY unless he is incredibly dull witted. The IDENTIFIED air traffic in that area is nearly constant, the airports are dam near EVERYWHERE and the fact he FAILED to mention the above facts in his first presentation is highly suspect.
When you throw ALL OF THAT in with the FACT he has signed a deal with a production company to sell a DVD of this, it becomes ridiculous IMHO.
Is he going to include the footage and evidence (airports, glide paths, etc...) we have here in the DVD? If not then it's obvious what the ONLY CONCERN is. There is no value for the viewer/buyer in presenting this video without ALL the facts.
Springer...
[edit on 2-18-2007 by Springer]
Originally posted by Springer
posted on 18-2-2007 @ 04:46 PM
Forzenthought was banned because of two reasons:
First and foremost he is perpetuating a HOAX and hoping to stir up buzz for a DVD they plan to sell of that HOAX by using our site to get the attention of the MILLIONS of PEOPLE who come here. SkepticOverlord, Simon Gray and I DO NOT work our butts off keeping ATS up and constantly growing so HOAXERS can advertise their tripe FOR FREE.
Secondly, he just pissed me off with his snide comeback to my "Trim Quotes" post. And the guy who thinks that's a "GAY" reason to ban someone, well I really don't care what you think but I'll say that the day YOU go build a site with a database in the TERABYTES and keep it fast and don't care about how many times it has to reproduce THE SAME THING is the day I'll ask YOU how you did it.
Originally posted by Copernicus
Always entertaining to see skeptics claim someone elses opinion must be false while making several statements without proof themselfs.
Good video OP, thanks for posting it. Its not a airplane and anyone who knows what a airplane looks like in the dark knows this. Not to mention this would have to be 2 airplanes... forget it.
Also continue to observe how every skeptic post in this thread has blue stars... this is something you can see in other threads as well.
I gave every one of your posts a blue star just to play "skeptic" for a while. I must say it didnt do much for me...
Carry on.
Oh, and by the way... I most certainly dont agree with Sereda that there is a war for this planet by the ET's. Its the US government shooting them down.
[edit on 16-10-2007 by Copernicus]
Originally posted by Copernicus
Originally posted by Springer
The latter will NEVER lead to the truth. When one discards the facts for the acquisition of currency one is lost to the realm of show biz.
Only I dont think he disregards any facts. The object in that video is not a airplane in my opinion. And alien ships exists, its obvious from both history and current events.
Anyone disregarding these facts are NOT denying ignorance.
[edit on 16-10-2007 by Copernicus]
Originally posted by area512012
Well said, they are here and anybody who does a little bit of research will come to the same conclusion, In more particular, These Balls of light "Orbs" are showing up all over the planet right now, and people have been video taping them as well.
Anyone disregarding these facts are NOT denying ignorance!
Originally posted by area512012
It is clear that the "skeptics" came to the wrong conclusion because these are not Airplanes so reason #1 doesn't make any sense.
As I said, He filmed the same thing many others all over the planet have recently started filming, Over The UK, Pheonix, Mexico, ETC., Obviously a lot of people filming these objects BELIEVE they have seen something out of the ordinary...
Aircraft, All the skeptics here kept saying "Na, those are just planes" and he kept to saying, I don't think so and rightfully so.
Because if he was banned because of the footage. Well, Then they made a mistake becasue they are not Planes and that is becoming more clear.
well, not much reason to go into reason #2 now is there :-) If the guy was a dick, so be it.
I guess just try to not piss anybody here at ATS off and go along with whatever the "Skeptics" say even if it is in reality incorrect if you don't want to be banned.
Source = His own blog
David Sereda, his Fiancé, Crystal, and their dog Nuala go on a journey to find out how to travel to the Andromeda Galaxy 2.2 million light years away to finds a new home for humanity.
Originally posted by area512012
Originally posted by Springer
posted on 18-2-2007 @ 04:46 PM
Forzenthought was banned because of two reasons:
First and foremost he is perpetuating a HOAX and hoping to stir up buzz for a DVD they plan to sell of that HOAX by using our site to get the attention of the MILLIONS of PEOPLE who come here. SkepticOverlord, Simon Gray and I DO NOT work our butts off keeping ATS up and constantly growing so HOAXERS can advertise their tripe FOR FREE.
Secondly, he just pissed me off with his snide comeback to my "Trim Quotes" post. And the guy who thinks that's a "GAY" reason to ban someone, well I really don't care what you think but I'll say that the day YOU go build a site with a database in the TERABYTES and keep it fast and don't care about how many times it has to reproduce THE SAME THING is the day I'll ask YOU how you did it.
It is clear that the "skeptics" came to the wrong conclusion because these are not Airplanes so reason #1 doesn't make any sense. As I said, He filmed the same thing many others all over the planet have recently started filming, Over The UK, Pheonix, Mexico, ETC., Obviously a lot of people filming these objects believe they have seen something out of the ordinary, he just happened to be one of the first, As it now seems and many people here and elsewhere agree, They don't appear to be any type of known Aircraft, All the skeptics here kept saying "Na, those are just planes" and he kept to saying, I don't think so and rightfully so.
Because if he was banned because of the footage. Well, Then they made a mistake becasue they are not Planes and that is becoming more clear.
And the Reason #2......"he just pissed me off with his snide comeback to my "Trim Quotes" post. And the guy who thinks that's a "GAY" reason to ban someone, well I really don't care what you think"
well, not much reason to go into reason #2 now is there :-) If the guy was a dick, so be it.
I guess just try to not piss anybody here at ATS off and go along with whatever the "Skeptics" say even if it is in reality incorrect if you don't want to be banned.
[edit on 17-10-2007 by area512012]