The Hologram Theory is dead

Originally posted by jfj123
Back on topic though. Do you actually believe John Lear's hologram idea over SOME TYPE of real planes hitting the buildings? Does anyone but John Lear and Wizard in the Woods?

Well i have been doing some more research into the area of holograms.

I will let you know what i find.

Back to the hologram theory, and whether or not a 'virtual' final nail is being pounded into its coffin...

IF this technology exists, that is, the visual, audible and even tactile (as in heat) then we have progressed to a Star Trek reality in a way that is incredible. Could this same tech NOT have been used in Iraq, for instance, instead of sending in our troops and the casualities that result? (Not just the deaths, painful as those are...the incredible suffering of the maimed. Oh, and this has happened to innocents on both sides...)

Or, to play Devil's Advocate, perhaps Iraq is a distraction to set up for the BIG move, the ultimate conspiracy...so the tech is being kept under wraps until then??

Some may think I have strayed away from topic, but in my opinion, not. Either hologram tech is real, or it's close to being perfected, or it's a pipe dream. (Maybe there are more 'IFs', you tell me).

The holograph theory is a theory that the government used holographs to depict Boeing 767's crashing onto the World Trade Center.

Holography was invented in the 1940's and has gradually evolved from small little projections using light in a darkened room to where we can now project 3 dimensional, totally realistic images with heat, light and sound.

A few years ago a small group of television executives were invited to a briefing on what television held for the future.

They met in a small private auditorium in Hollywood. On the stage in front of them, no further than ten or fifteen feet from their comfortable seats was a podium. The lights were not dimmed.

An elderly gentlemen with a east European accent walked to the podium and gave a 10 minute, rambling and rather boring speech about the history of communications. As he talked he walked back and forth on the stage, in front and in back of the podium, gesturing at his points.

After he finished his presentation he thanked the audience and disappeared like a light had been turned off.

This small group of television executives has just seen the future of television. It was a holographic projection. And it won't need a screen.

The television of the future will be a holographic projection in your living room. It will look, sound and smell real but there is nothing there. It's just a holographic projection.

This demonstration took place about 5 years ago and represents where civilian holographic technology was then.

Military holographic technology is probably 30 years ahead of any civilian application and what was used to stimulate Boeing 767's on 911 has been in inventory for at least 10 or 15 years: the ability to project 3 dimensional images that had heat, light and sound.

My opinion is that the E4-B Command and Control airplane had a holographic projector and used that holographic projector to project an image of a speeding Boeing 767 flying into the World Trade Center.

(I will not address the ridculous notion that real airplanes were used.)

I imagine that the controls for the holographic projector have world wide maps on a screen and with a mouse you can place a "Start here" and a "Finish here" symbol, select the type of craft, select the speed and select other options. The projector probably has a range of about 5 or 10 miles. I would imagine that the projector does not have to be pointed directly at the path but probably within about 30 or 40 degrees.

My opinion is that 911 was orchestrated from this E4-B using false telephone calls, false crew communications, false transponder codes, CGI's inserted into television news programming, holographic projections and also contained the detonation buttons for the controlled demolition of both the World Trade Center Towers and Building #7.

The Command and Control E4-B also has on board the controls for a space based Directed Energy Weapon which used molecular disassociation to obliterate the WTC towers, in perfect timing with the controlled demolition which was needed to cut the steel girders into 30 foot sections for easier handling.

Holographs have been around for over 50 years. The technology to project holographs is far beyond anybody's imagination.

Which is why it was so successful.


The above is my opinion. It is my opinion based a information available to me from many sources. I do not claim that the above is true although I believe every word of what I have written. I do not ask you to believe that the above is true. I have written the above as an opinion. Thanks.




[edit on 1-12-2007 by johnlear]

Here's some basic info about holograms and holographic technology:

Holographic technology (holograms) were invented in 1947 by Dennis Gabor. Holographic technology did not appreciably advance until the development of the laser in 1960. So for 13 years, there was a technology bottleneck.

There are several HUGE problems when projecting lasers at a distance, one of which is divergence.
All lasers are subject to divergence which means the further a beam travels, the larger the end point gets which also means less resolution of the resultant picture.
Another HUGE restriction is projecting a hologram remotely without interference from atmospheric phenomenon (Rayleigh scattering) and no way to create a termination point for the laser.

These are only a few things to think about regarding holographic projections.

Originally posted by jfj123
Don't you feel guilty working for the government knowing what you know? It's like working for a police department that looks the other way while innocent people are arrested.

The only reason ULTIMA1 would have to feel guilty would be if he was not trying to find the truth about 911.

Since he is here, doing that, then I commend his effort, despite working for the government. Too bad there are not more determined truth seekers out there who work for the government AND might un/knowingly hold a piece to the puzzle.

Edit: By the way, we all know that holographs have been used in the mainstream from 1977, when Princess Leia first asked Obi Wan for help... It's now science fact, right? (Joking, if you can't tell) Seriously though, unless you know what the military has, then you're only quoting technology that is available to civillians.

[edit on 1-12-2007 by tezzajw]

Originally posted by jfj123
All lasers are subject to divergence which means the further a beam travels, the larger the end point gets which also means less resolution of the resultant picture.
Another HUGE restriction is projecting a hologram remotely without interference from atmospheric phenomenon (Rayleigh scattering) and no way to create a termination point for the laser.

These are just some of the hurdles that the hologram theory has to get past. If, as John Lear has theorised, they were projected from airborne progectors then stablizing the emmiter becomes the first issue, followed by signal degridation over the 5 to 10 miles, followed by how does the hologram refect sunlight and cause shadows.

Originally posted by tezzajw
The only reason ULTIMA1 would have to feel guilty would be if he was not trying to find the truth about 911.

Thanks tez.

There are more people in the government and military doing research and or speaking out about the truth of 9/11, problem is some of them are getting into trouble.

They are being fired or even being threatened with court martial for speaking out against the 9/11 official story.


[edit on 1-12-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by infinityoreilly
These are just some of the hurdles that the hologram theory has to get past.

Fair enough. Although we really don't have classified access to what type of holographic capabilites the military may possess.

Doesn't the 767 plane theory also have to get over the inconsistent damage to the columns at the point of entry to the building (John's picture a few posts back)? The fact that a woman can stand at the impact zone, despite the heat of the jet fuel fires compromising the structural integrity of the building? The fact that no significant wreckage was found to indicate that the 767 struck the building? The fact that an unburnt passport of one of the hijackers was found on the street, surviving the ball of fire and the subsequent fall, without any damage at all?

It's a matter of which evidence best suits which theory. When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be what transpired. I think that was written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle for the Sherlock Holmes books.

911 is a great mystery. The only truth so far (in my opinion), is that the official story is bogus.

Originally posted by infinityoreilly
Originally posted by jfj123
These are just some of the hurdles that the hologram theory has to get past. If, as John Lear has theorised, they were projected from airborne progectors then stablizing the emmiter becomes the first issue, followed by signal degridation over the 5 to 10 miles, followed by how does the hologram refect sunlight and cause shadows.

All very good points. Unfortunately, at present these hurdles a bit too big to do what would be required for John Lear to have his holograms.

[edit on 2-12-2007 by jfj123]

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by infinityoreilly
These are just some of the hurdles that the hologram theory has to get past.

Fair enough. Although we really don't have classified access to what type of holographic capabilites the military may possess.

Classified or not, physics and optics are always the same.

Doesn't the 767 plane theory also have to get over the inconsistent damage to the columns at the point of entry to the building (John's picture a few posts back)?

No, John himself pointed out that the wing would fit but the fuselage would be too low. However, it seems obvious that the wings would have been flexed at that angle and if they were, the fuselage would be higher resulting in a better fit.

The fact that a woman can stand at the impact zone, despite the heat of the jet fuel fires compromising the structural integrity of the building?

Obviously she stood the after the fire was out in that area. Besides, what choice did she have?

The fact that no significant wreckage was found to indicate that the 767 struck the building?

needle + haystack=missing needle

The fact that an unburnt passport of one of the hijackers was found on the street, surviving the ball of fire and the subsequent fall, without any damage at all?

Yeah weird...nothing weird ever happens so it must be planted...

It's a matter of which evidence best suits which theory. When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be what transpired. I think that was written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle for the Sherlock Holmes books.

Yes and since holograms of this sophistication are impossible......

911 is a great mystery. The only truth so far (in my opinion), is that the official story is bogus.

Of course as the government simply doesn't want us to know they were asleep at the switch and we were as secure as a chicken in a pen full of foxes.

Originally posted by jfj123

Yes and since holograms of this sophistication are impossible......

Thanks for the post jfj123. As I have pointed out many times holographs have been see by qualified personnel. They have seen Boeing 747 size holographs over the highway. They were holographs because after a few seconds the image disappeared.

I request that you stop saying that the projections of holographs is impossible because it is possible and that technology can be projected and that technology has been in use for at least 10 years.

Of course as the government simply doesn't want us to know they were asleep at the switch and we were as secure as a chicken in a pen full of foxes.

The government was not asleep at the switch, they were using the switch. They switched airplanes, they switches videos, they did a lot of switching. But they certainly where not asleep at the switch.

Holography is modern day technology. They can be projected and be projected to fool people. Anybody who says they saw a Boeing 767 fly over the streets of Manhatten on the morning of 911 was watching a holograph. That holograph probably was being projected from a E4-B.

Holographs look very real and contain heat, sound and light. It is so real that many people were fooled into thinking it was a real Boeing 767 crashing into the WTC.

It was not real. It was a holograph.

So, jfj123, respectfully, next time you post that "holographs are imossible" please be sure an note that your statement is only an opinion and in fact may not be true.

Thanks.

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Proof John? You know... "evidence" .... have you ever used that? I didn't think so.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1


There are more people in the government and military doing research and or speaking out about the truth of 9/11, problem is some of them are getting into trouble.

They are being fired or even being threatened with court martial for speaking out against the 9/11 official story.

Not that I do not believe you Ultima... but do you have a source for these statements?

Once again by those with the courage to speak, and for those with the courage to listen, I have compiled a list of Evidence to support the possibility of the use of holographic creating technology.

A Orgy of Evidence, which will show that those who are behind this tragedy had used Laser technology to create the symptoms of 9-11. Lasers may have the ability to create holographs, there by we have all the evidence we need to keep any discussion valid, FOREVER.

9-11 Unanswered Questions
skip forward exacty 1:00min




Laser streaks down side of WTC 2




Lasers emitting from buildings near WTC




And this video which just happens to cut out the lasers, there by making it harder to find out about this information. I believe this Video was Created by those who wish to cover up the evidence by flooding youtube with crappy videos.






These Videos Prove that there is technology that we are not aware of, that was used on 9-11.

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Thanks for the post jfj123. As I have pointed out many times holographs have been see by qualified personnel. They have seen Boeing 747 size holographs over the highway. They were holographs because after a few seconds the image disappeared.

I request that you stop saying that the projections of holographs is impossible because it is possible and that technology can be projected and that technology has been in use for at least 10 years.

If you would like me to stop saying it, prove they are possible. I'm a serious tech head which puts me in an interesting position, I would actually like to be wrong which would mean a huge leap in technology which I would find incredibly fascinating.
You've posted vague stories about unknown individuals who saw something but there's no proof, only a 2nd or 3rd hand story.

Holography is modern day technology. They can be projected and be projected to fool people. Anybody who says they saw a Boeing 767 fly over the streets of Manhatten on the morning of 911 was watching a holograph. That holograph probably was being projected from a E4-B.

For the 100th time, please prove it.

Holographs look very real and contain heat, sound and light. It is so real that many people were fooled into thinking it was a real Boeing 767 crashing into the WTC.

And how do they become solid enough to refract light? Also what you are describing is something that contains more then just light which makes it NOT a hologram.

It was not real. It was a holograph.

No it was real

So, jfj123, respectfully, next time you post that "holographs are imossible" please be sure an note that your statement is only an opinion and in fact may not be true.

If you would like me to call it an opinion, fine. Whatever sets your sail John. Based on an educated opinion vs an un-educated opinion, my belief which is based on physics and optics restrictions; holograms as you've described them don't exist.
Could I be wrong? sure. We could have a heavy graviton beam that could stop light and manipulate it. But instead of doing that, why didn't the government just fire photon torpedoes at the building or how about quantum singularity bombs? Heck maybe the planes were real and just at the last second, they used their trans-dimensional jump engines to slip out of normal space and into sub-space so we thought they hit the buildings.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious

Proof John? You know... "evidence" .... have you ever used that? I didn't think so.

CaptainObvious are you kidding? 99% of public thinks they saw airplanes and you are asking me for proof?

My proof is no airplanes+no wreckage=holographs. That should be Obvious...er Captain.

So therefore my evidence is the millions who actually believe that they saw airplanes which, I would assume, includes yourself. Obviously.

It was like magic. It was a holograph! Isn't that Obvious...er Captain?

Thanks for your post it is genuinely appreciated.

I was a holograph skeptic also, until I saw the film from Chopper Five news on 9-11. The chopper was quite a waya away from the Towers, and showed a wide pulled back shot with NO PLANES on the horizon, anywhere. Then, the camera operator zooms in close on the Tower already hit and holds that shot until the second ' plane ' allegedly hits the other Tower.

There were NO planes in sight as far as the eye could see..then after a couple of seconds zoomed in, the ' other plane ' shows up and an explosion is seen. There is NO WAY that a jet could have crossed the entire sky in the time the camera was zoomed in..and if there HAD been a plane coming from the right to the left towards the Towers. SURELY to God the camera man would have zoomed BACK and showed the plane approaching the Tower. But he did NOT!! He kept the shot tight until the ' impact ', which earned him the kudos of the boss ( see the videos I posted above ).

NO WAY would a new photog NOT zoom back and capture another jet closing in on a Tower..no way. To keep the shot tight means that he was TOLD to keep the shot tight, OR there was NO plane to be seen!! No other choices!! I cannot believe that a plane could cross that space and not be seen..so it was not there. If it was not there, then it HAD to be a holograph. WHY would the shot have happened like it did otherwise?

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So do you think to Government turned on the projector a few hundred feet out from the buildings?

Originally posted by jfj123

John. Based on an educated opinion vs an un-educated opinion, my belief which is based on physics and optics restrictions; holograms as you've described them don't exist.

Thanks for the opinion. I'm sure your opinion would be different had you been read into any holographic projects being conducted at the White Sands Missile Range. But it doesn't sound as if you have ever been read into any highly classified project.

Could I be wrong? sure. We could have a heavy graviton beam that could stop light and manipulate it. But instead of doing that, why didn't the government just fire photon torpedoes at the building or how about quantum singularity bombs? Heck maybe the planes were real and just at the last second, they used their trans-dimensional jump engines to slip out of normal space and into sub-space so we thought they hit the buildings.

Oh I get it! Like going from the sublime to the ridiculous? Or is it the other way round?

Thanks for the post.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by jfj123

John. Based on an educated opinion vs an un-educated opinion, my belief which is based on physics and optics restrictions; holograms as you've described them don't exist.

Thanks for the opinion. I'm sure your opinion would be different had you been read into any holographic projects being conducted at the White Sands Missile Range. But it doesn't sound as if you have ever been read into any highly classified project.

If you or anyone you knew, were familiar with the technology, you would be able to at least post more details then you are. Obviously you have no firsthand knowledge of what you are speaking about.

Could I be wrong? sure. We could have a heavy graviton beam that could stop light and manipulate it. But instead of doing that, why didn't the government just fire photon torpedoes at the building or how about quantum singularity bombs? Heck maybe the planes were real and just at the last second, they used their trans-dimensional jump engines to slip out of normal space and into sub-space so we thought they hit the buildings.

Oh I get it! Like going from the sublime to the ridiculous? Or is it the other way round?

Thanks for the post.


And as Doug Henning used to say, "Everything is real in the world of illusion children"