Interview of Supposed DULCE security guard

reply to post by GeeGee


I can make that assumption because Lear routinely posts wild claims with no hard facts to back them up and a lot of evidence running against them. It's like he's doing it on purpose.

I don't think Lear's handlers are worried about the blurry videos. I think more so they're worried about 9/11, Roswell revelations, and paleocontact speculation, among other theories that actually have a factual basis.

"...Back on topic: Dulce, is it real? I dunno, but I'm going to say no until I see actual hard facts. There's plenty of images and eyewitness accounts of the surrounding area, so far nothing to suggest anything remotely like what those who claim to have "been below" would suggest...."
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Horse dung. Certainly John Lear can speak to the particular DUlce Base matter better than I, but you say little to support or deny that has meat in it. Dulce I feel, after Schneiders stuff -- including drawings, spectacular drawings, told me years ago something's happening there.

That is at least bizarre. Schneider's demise has led me to conclude -- a wee-bit deeper, something is/was going on there - then & now, that should scare the garbage out of the Indians on the reserve.

Dallas

Originally posted by uberarcanist
I can make that assumption because Lear routinely posts wild claims with no hard facts to back them up and a lot of evidence running against them. It's like he's doing it on purpose.

I don't think Lear's handlers are worried about the blurry videos. I think more so they're worried about 9/11, Roswell revelations, and paleocontact speculation, among other theories that actually have a factual basis.

I never said that I agree with all of John's ideas. John used to work for the CIA, so I would presume he has/had insider information that he is not allowed to reveal. Obviously John has seen or experienced something that lead him to believe that all the planets in our solar system are inhabited.

Yes all those things you mentioned have a factual basis, but I don't see a logical explanation as to why they would send a disinfo agent here because we're discussing those things.

Lear took part in writing the Dulce book by the way. He got much information on it from Paul Bennewitz, Thomas Costello and many other alleged base workers.

[edit on 14-10-2007 by GeeGee]

reply to post by GeeGee


Yes, the fact that Lear and Bennewitz worked for the government leads me to wonder if everything we "know" about Dulce is just an elaborate, government-coordinated disinfo campaign to get the UFO crowd barking up the wrong tree!

Originally posted by uberarcanist
Yes, the fact that Lear and Bennewitz worked for the government leads me to wonder if everything we "know" about Dulce is just an elaborate, government-coordinated disinfo campaign to get the UFO crowd barking up the wrong tree!

The government could care less about what the public thinks. They have everyone wrapped around their fingers. Even if real footage of the Dulce base were released tomorrow, no one would believe it. The concept of disinfo agent is pretty useless if you ask me, it doesn't do much at all. I do believe they create disinfo campaigns towards some individuals, so they won't be taken seriously.

reply to post by GeeGee


This sort of thing does not need a big debate than it already is. All you have to say to yourselves is, "If you can move rocks, it is therefore, not impossible to dig a mile underground." I mean seriously, we can do it if you had the resources right? Now the question to ask is, "If I had a vaporizer, would it not be impossible to relinquish evidence?"

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i live in new mexico and i have been doing research on dulce. in 1966 a 5.1 earthquake occured in dulce this was around the time that supposed construction began on the base. whats interesting is that few earthquakes have occured ever outside of the rio grande valley in fact this is one of i think two that has occured out of the valley since geological surveys began in new mexico. i dont know about the security gaurd i know a man who was in the army who delivered supplies they were called out north of los alamos one day they went to a gaurd shack in the middle of nowhere and were told to get out of the trucks and initiate a parade rest facing away from the trucks. he said they were there for a hour and a half and then were told to about face and the trucks were facing a different direction. also there was no noise during this time and when they were going up there they were followed by a sedan with the inventory lists and paper work which is usually was given to them.this is where i begin to question his story however he said he asked a higher up he was good friends with, what they were doing out there and he said there are multiple underground facilities in the US. anyway heres the link to the new mex geological survey if you want to see it earthquake.usgs.gov...

Originally posted by mcgilligan02
www.mufoncms.com...

this interview was on the net a long time ago

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

my biggest question about dulce is why dig an entrance to the base somewhere then tunnel 50m to dig a deeper base somewhere else? if all the materials and personelle are going into the entrance, why not just put the base under the facility that houses the entrance and youve lost nothing but gained NOT having to tunnel 50miles.

logistically it just doesnt make sense to me i guess. lot of underground faciliites in known locations...look at SAC HQ...

but, that could just be me

It would be cool to move to Dulce, NM and start a blog where you could post pictures and updates of what you learn in the town.

4 or 5 guys from this site should rent a house out there or something and setup cameras everywhere. The feds would probably be onto you right from the start but it would be interesting as hell for everyone to keep up with on the net.

lol... check out all this land for sale right by the Apache Reservation:

www.bobvila.com...

Originally posted by uberarcanist
reply to post by GeeGee

 

Anyone can claim a relationship with an unnamed, shadowy individual, this does nothing to bolster their credibility. Furthermore, I'm not sure you understand how disinfo works. Its primary purpose is not to attract belief, instead, disinfo is the most successful when it contaminates legitimate research to the point to where people stop taking the legitimate research seriously. I believe Lear is trying to turn ATS into a laughingstock, because perhaps we have gotten a little *too* close to the truth.

That is funny. What truth is that? No one cares about what gets posted here. Why would they? Real hard evidence is one thing a bunch of baseless theories and claims is quite another. The internet is full of them. I remember when I used to be able to find really good UFO reports online. This was back in the laste 80's early 90's. Back when the only people really online were research and education institutions and the government. Now it's become a dumping ground for every nutjob and believer. Hell do a search for MIB or Men In Black and you will find a ton of links to the movie but you have to really dig for info on the MIB phenomena. Without any evidence you are just another nutjob. Plain and simple.

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I think those who say "no one cares what's posted here" are ignoring the grassroots effects of the internet. Think about it-we were originally one of the voices in the wilderness calling bull on the Iraq intel. We were also some of the first if not THE first to call for Bush's impeachment. Ron Paul, the "internet" candidate, is tied with or beating John McCain in fundraising.

Furthermore, I've posted this again and again, it would really surprise you what the government cares about. From infiltrating student protest groups in the 60s and 70s under the guise of COINTELPRO to infiltrating a Dungeons & Dragons campaign in the 80s to infiltrating that small pro-peace advocacy group as seen in Fahrenheit 9/11, the government tends to take some actions that would seem downright silly to the average citizen.

I'm just wondering if anyone else finds this a little or alot un-believable that they could have these massive amount of tunnels and labs underground ;intersecting all across the U.S. and the world with all of the seismic activity would it not make the whole thing impossible.Not to mention with all of the construction projects going on someone would have uncovered this by now.

[edit on 15-10-2007 by CaptGizmo]

All I’ll say, is, i believe it is true, and i hope the people taken their get freed sometime in the future......oh and f@ck you reptilian aliens, if you really exist, you can go and suck my .........

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well, take a look at the tunnel from england to france... thats pretty elaborate. And ive seen documentaries about a tunnel from north america to europe, covering the entire atlantic ocean. In theory it is actually possible... what do they lack? funding. what does the govt not lack? funding.

I dont know if these underground bases are real, but i do think they are plausible. and as far as construction... not only would the govt not allow construction in areas that might compromise the location or structural integrity of the base or tunnels, but there are few construction feats that reach miles underground.

I think people loose track of the fact that the govt can do whatever they want! If they dont want you to know about something, chances are you prob wont. The govt could have very well closed off a 20 mile paramiter outside the base when they were constructing it. They could have offered jobs to elite individuals to build the base and give them work there afterwards. the fact is nobody knows yet, so lets just try to keep an open mind, expand our imaginations, and try to hit every point we can.

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The government does not have unlimited access to funds. If it did, a President would have already wiped out poverty and reaped a huge political windfall. The costs of the Chunnel, which is short and dug thru soft chalk, btw, were huge-an estimated ten billion pounds. I doubt even the U.S. government could afford something of the scale that the DUMB proponents believe exist and even if they could, I doubt that they could hide this expense.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by uberarcanist


are you kidding me? 10 billion dollars is nothing man. we are trillions of dollars in debt. the richest man in the world has over 100 billion dollars.... and the american govt is a lot richer than him. Listen, our dollar value has declined for a reason... why is that? because we keep on printing more and more money. Money really isnt an issue with the govt, they just say it is. Look at the possibility of the Amero, if your caught up on that topic then this union will be presented to the american public once the dollar value has been totally depleted, then the govt will tell everyone that the union will save our money value. Look at the 9/11 conspiracy, while it was a motivation for war, gold was involved as well. And think back to the 60's. When the dollar value was strong to what it is today... theres a reason for that... because we keep creating money that isnt really there. Trust me, the govt has all the money they want. We build fighter planes that cost a Billion dollars each and more... You want to know where all your tax money goes... its stuff like this. And its ok to the govt. bc they think they are protecting our best interests by keeping this all a secret. Why worry about the problrms and poor people of america? They are already in America. The american govt is more concerned about what goes on outside the US... otherwise we would be awesome like canada and actually work for the people; health care etc. Oh and one more thing, all the money that big corporations make also go back to the govt... they helped them become the monopolies they are today... why? bc america runs on us spending our own money.

reply to post by uberarcanist


and i cant look for the thread now, i will later, but during the Iraq war the govt was paying like millions of dollars for like nuts and bolts... so if they were dumb enough to do that and not notice for so long when millions and billions of dollars are being spent on things that only cost 20 cents to make, then that makes me think they are drawing from much MUCH larger piggy bank.

reply to post by Odessy


For the sake of being fair, I think MAYBE, just MAYBE the government could have somehow gotten covert funds for Dulce. Not for a massive DUMB network with tunnels, unless perhaps they were using alien tech.

But, one must ask again, where is the evidence for all this? All we have is personal narratives with few details. I think we need something CONCRETE, something that can be independently verified before we can treat these narratives as something more than a nice story.

Originally posted by uberarcanist
But, one must ask again, where is the evidence for all this? All we have is personal narratives with few details. I think we need something CONCRETE, something that can be independently verified before we can treat these narratives as something more than a nice story.

You're talking about uncovering a joint US/Alien facility that is located miles underground which is under heavy surveillance. Do you know how difficult that is? If you read Costello's interview, you'd take notice of how many security precautions they have. If you want personal confirmation, your best bet would be to to go to Dulce and ask around/explore.