Chem trails over Phoenix: 10-12-07 6pm

Alright to start out I haven't looked into much about chem trails but saw a couple clips on youtube and told myself if I ever see X patterns in the sky take pictures[phoenix's sky is usually completely clear never cloudy always just blue, so I knew they would be easy to spot, now that I know what to look for] I was going out to dinner around 6pm when I walked out my door I looked up and was shocked. I whipped out my camera phone and started taking pictures. This is my first experience with chem trails. While taking pictures a plane came into view, spaying more chem trails. Also 2 fighter jets flew low over head heading west towards the trails, very weird. It was lucky timing that I caught all this happening.






In the same position as the last one, I turned around facing east- you can see how the rest of the sky was completely clear blue.


After a couple minutes of pictures this plan came into view, spraying more in X pattern

Seconds after that 2 fighter jets flew over head low towards the trails, very strange.

wow, thats a pretty interesting set of pics that you have there. They looked like they were up there for a while, do you know how long?

-fm

Yes, i too live in the phoenix area and i have been seeing this quite often the last couple of weeks. As a matter of fact, i took a couple pics myself with my camera phone. (sorry about the quality)






I wonder whats going on??

Nice set of pictures contrails tend to be more prevalent (and long lasting) around early morning and evening - a lot of my best shots have been at sunset

hmmm

Tempe Town lake. Right in the flight path for Sky Harbor where an Air National Guard unit is based.

While you're at it, why don't you ask the city hall for information?

Ive posted about chemtrails before, but a lot of people think they are ordinary contrails... I know they arent.

I found a interesting video showing something strange... Note that you dont even see a plane when those shapes form.



Media starting to notice chemtrails...




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We have massive streaks of those in Tampa area, Florida. Like ridiculous amounts of contrails, chemtrails, acid rain clouds, big chemtrail clouds that are like masses of thin smoke... breathe it in

All speculation.

Crossing contrails are bound to happen in close proximity to an airport or military airfield, thanks to the volume of traffic, holding patterns (in the case of airports) and training activities (in the case of military airfields).

Dotted contrails could be caused by turbulence.

And I don’t suppose you’ll be providing any chemical analysis of these “chemtrails” you’re seeing?

Sorry to crap in your cornflakes, but it really sounds to me like you’re jumping to conclusions without any sound logic or solid science.

Originally posted by Copernicus
I found a interesting video showing something strange... Note that you dont even see a plane when those shapes form.

Not "strange" at all. It's common skytyping. Even the guy in the video knew that.

Skytyping Video

These are normal contrails. You live near Davis Monthan Air Force Base. This is normal. I see this almost every day. Why do you think they are spraying chemicals? Where is evidence of this? They are probably in the middle of an exercise and flying more then they usually do.

I live in a state that probably has the cleanest air in this country. We have no smog, no polution, hardly any traffic on the roads....i think we might have lots of pot smokers though LOL and sometimes we have lots of fires in the summer...but seriously, our air is so flippn crisp and clean....all awhile we have jets flying over every day making contrails.....and they look exactly like all the pictures you can find all over the net. Exactly the same.

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[edit on 13-10-2007 by greeneyedleo]

Somebody above beat me to the punch on this one...
While the skies over Phoenix are, indeed, usually very clear and blue, we do have a fairly busy airspace overhead...Sky Harbor International is very busy, then there's Glendale, Scottsdale, Deer Valley, Williams-Gateway, and at least a dozen more within 20 miles...so it doesn't surprise me that you can get photos of parallel contrails, intersecting contrails, or even a sky full of contrails.

As for the fighter jets in one photo, they're obviously part of the Government Cover Up (I guess they forgot to switch their Anti-Chemtrail Shop Vacs on!)...they couldn't have anything to do with Luke AFB (also right here in Phoenix).

Don't know anything about Phoenix, but isn't the point about "chemtrails", as opposed to "contrails", that they linger in the sky for hours, while the average contrail dissipates over a period of twenty minutes to an hour or so, depending on conditions.

Up here in Toronto I have seen a contrail-like cloud linger for four or five hours in the sky, actually blowing from one side of the sky to the other without dissipating or changing it's shape significantly.

Contrails can linger for hours. It all depends on atmospheric conditions. During WWII the bomber formations would have to find new routes home because their own contrails were still there causing cloud cover they couldn't see through. The joke among the bomber crews was that they were changing the weather over Europe.

Persistant contrails can linger for hours, and then actually change into cloud cover. But they're still contrails.

I'm no aviation expert but couldn't you make the point that WW2 style contrails were in fact chemtrails, since they were composed of exhaust fumes from internal combustion engines burning much less efficiently than modern jet engines. Just a thought, as I say, I'm no expert.

No, because the argument for chemtrails is always that they're spraying nerve agents or something sinister on us, not just that it's exhaust fumes.

Roger that. My dad was in Lancasters flying at night, so they couldn't see anything anyway.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Don't know anything about Phoenix, but isn't the point about "chemtrails", as opposed to "contrails", that they linger in the sky for hours, while the average contrail dissipates over a period of twenty minutes to an hour or so, depending on conditions.

Up here in Toronto I have seen a contrail-like cloud linger for four or five hours in the sky, actually blowing from one side of the sky to the other without dissipating or changing it's shape significantly.

Contrails can linger for very very very long periods of time, especially in the winter. I live in Alaska and they can last forever in the extreme negative temps here....and the patterns can be anything from straight lines to circles, 'x's, etc etc depending on how the jets are flying. They also are at different elevations...sometimes super high - esp when the jets are flyiing [literally] straight up...sometimes really low...sometimes really skinny, sometimes thick......and the descriptions go on and on

There are just so many variants on how long they last, the shape, the pattern, etc etc.


I wish we were not under complete cloud and snow cover so I could get some pictures.....but winter has set in, and i havent seen a clear sky in weeks and pretty soon, we will hardly have any daylight

Originally posted by Zaphod58
No, because the argument for chemtrails is always that they're spraying nerve agents or something sinister on us, not just that it's exhaust fumes.

Which is funny, because if you were releasing something with some sort of sinister effect… I dunno… YOU MIGHT WANT IT TO DISPERSE!

Yes you want it to disperse, but spraying it at high altitudes directly over the place you're trying to hit isn't going to do any good because the winds are going to spread it to hell and gone before it touches the ground.