aliens are NOT real

Originally posted by wildcat
There are no videos of alien encounters or abductions, they are hallucinations. You can read about caveman drawlings of UFOs, but that doesn't mean they are true. Where are the photos of them?



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Man what a load of crap, somehow all those ufo alien cave drawings in the past are all a COINCIDENCE RIGHT? hallucinations right?

Yet you so easily believe all the account stories of "GOD" existing, no one takes you seriously because you only take in what you want to believe, and shut out any other evidence that doesnt fit your BELIEF!

What if GOD was an alien anyway huh? too many stories of people from the skys too be a coincidence.

An OPEN MINDED person would look at all sides of the stories and wouldnt turn away anything because the possibillities are ENDLESS!!!

Originally posted by thesun
Ufology is boarderline religious in my opinion. but i still want to belief thats
whats sad about it and that is why most people are in denial.

Maybe you see it as something religious, as I'm sure many other people do as well, but ufology is supposed to be about scientific investigation and study of the phenomena.

Letting your beliefs get in the way of your objectivity will ultimately hurt the results of your research, no matter what field you're in.

Whether or not people are in denial about it, well.. anyone could be in denial about anything, it's not something related to ufology in particular.

Problem is that a lot of people see ufology as an opportunity to make some bucks, creating cults or selling books writing new-age "borderline religious" mumbo jambo because they understand some people feel 'religious' or 'spiritual' about it.

But that's not what ufology is about. And just because someone claims to be a ufologist that doesn't make em one, or a good one.

But there are serious people, doing serious research. And that's what we need to focus on.

Originally posted by wildcat
There are no videos of alien encounters or abductions, they are hallucinations.

That doesn't really prove anything. There are also no videos of people filming themselves getting hit by lightning.. but it happens.

Assuming they are real, UFO sightings and alien abductions aren't something you can replicate at will.

i like how you're so straight forward with saying that aliens arent real, but had no real facts or information stated that disproved the existence of aliens. you say that there was no sitings pre-20th century, and then said that there was, so you contradicted yourself for one and two, you then said the sitings were not real and didnt give any information explaining how they're not real. and then you try saying that "they" would want nothing to do with us....you dont know what they would want or want to do or what there intentions are.

you make no sense.

I believe, without a doubt, that life exists somewhere beyond our world, or perceivable dimensions. As far as thinking that they have been visiting us, well taking in all the evidence that has been presented before me, either for or against this belief, I would have to say I am about 90% convinced that in fact aliens have been visiting our planet. Either from light years away or perhaps from another dimension. Just my opinion.

I have an idea for any of you non believers out there... how bout you try going to college to get the opinion of real scientists and get some real knowledge? Of course they dont teach Alien Artifacts 101, but there is cave paintings, along with allusions to things from out of this world all throughout recorded history. Any scientists knows there is life out there, whether or not they are messing around in the affairs of humans is irrelevant (although chances are good of that) but there is life out there. As far as a staged alien invasion goes, just keep your guard up. Anyone who says "there is no such thing as aliens" really, wow. So I suppose Saddam really had WMD's too? Now that I think about it, the sun revolves around the earth as well.

Repeatability is TRUTH.

Originally posted by chickenfeet
reply to post by wildcat

 

there is caveman drawings of what looks like aliens and UFOs
you can also see the same kind of drawings in the pyramids.

personally, i dont know about the alien technology or why we are still still using fossil fuels but so far, i have seen more evidence of aliens being on this planet than THE GLOBAL ELITES..

to answer your question
"If you were from a million year old race that has mastered space travel, then would you be interested in interfering with the affairs of a primitive planet?"

i would have a damn good look at the primative planet and if i could help it, i would..

chickenfeet

I would love for you to give me some refferences on that. For example a book with egyptian paintings. I have only seen those pictures on "ufo" sites, and not out of that context.

And where are the proffesional geologist that claims these paintings for real? Ah .. yeah .. sorry .. they are part of the cover up? right?

This thread is shallow. The ET's do exist, except that the media makes a comic book out of it and exaggerates the truth. Reptillians exist, but are still tied to the ape as well. They are not serpent snake headed beings.

So yes, the gov't makes a hollywood film out of it, they do it all the time.

Originally posted by StreetCorner Philosopher
This thread is shallow. The ET's do exist, except that the media makes a comic book out of it and exaggerates the truth. Reptillians exist, but are still tied to the ape as well. They are not serpent snake headed beings.

So yes, the gov't makes a hollywood film out of it, they do it all the time.

Tied to the ape? They have no affiliation with them whatsoever, from what I've read.

Well Reptillians to me are White skinned Vampiristic Humanoids from planet Draco. They have great genes and live long lives.

If greys exist, then they are cloned nano borgs created by mankind.

Originally posted by danx

Originally posted by thesun
Ufology is boarderline religious in my opinion. but i still want to belief thats
whats sad about it and that is why most people are in denial.

Maybe you see it as something religious, as I'm sure many other people do as well, but ufology is supposed to be about scientific investigation and study of the phenomena.

Letting your beliefs get in the way of your objectivity will ultimately hurt the results of your research, no matter what field you're in.

Whether or not people are in denial about it, well.. anyone could be in denial about anything, it's not something related to ufology in particular.

Problem is that a lot of people see ufology as an opportunity to make some bucks, creating cults or selling books writing new-age "borderline religious" mumbo jambo because they understand some people feel 'religious' or 'spiritual' about it.

But that's not what ufology is about. And just because someone claims to be a ufologist that doesn't make em one, or a good one.

But there are serious people, doing serious research. And that's what we need to focus on.

Dont get me wrong, i hope that we find conclusive evidence about the existence of aliens but right now there is no conclusive evidence about the existence of aliens, so why do go on in believing in things you cant proof to exist, this is a matter of faith and religion. you might as well believe in ghost and spirits because there are more sightings of ghost and spirit through the ages than there is ufos.

Faith is the evidence of things hoped for, things not yet seen.
this describes ufos perfectly, ufology is matter of faith. until there is concrete undenialable evidence.

ufology is boarderline religious
In scientific terms its a thoery at best.

Originally posted by wildcat
They are a hideous lie, created by the Global Elite in order to manipulate the public into a one world government.

I am familiar with the theory of a "grand deception" and "fake ET landings to create an NWO" and I find the theory interesting, but there are a number of problems with your statement. First of all you make it DEFINITE rather than offering it as a theory or possibility...this is a hint that maybe it is you who is a manipulator and not the ones you accuse. Furthermore, your post PRE-SUPPOSES that aliens dont exist, that the elite is inherently evil and that a one world government is inherently evil. In doing so you cater to the conspiracy-believers who take these "truths" as self-evident but will never addess a larger populace or an objective mind who tends not to pre-suppose anything but only establish theories of possibility and probability.

So while the theory of "the grand deception" is interesting and possible, its not the one and only explanation of the way things are. There are other theories, for example one that states that our civilization is now entering more advanced stages and is therefore attracting the interest of other races.




Do not believe this lie, as it will cost you your life.

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Pushing the fear button is common practice of those elitists you talk of. Its not gonna cost me my life keeping an open mind about UFOs and Aliens.

I somewhat agree with the original poster....

I believe life exists, in some form (microbial or whatever), exists elsewhere in the universe. However, I do not believe that there are aliens visiting the planet, abducting people etc.

I have the statement that a hostile alien invasion would probably unite the people of the world and can see how that may very well the case if something like that were to happen. However, if the global elite or NWO or what-have-you are trying to fake the UFO phenomenon to help spur the create of a one world government, then why do so many governments dismiss UFOs to the realm of fantasy. If the global elite is already somewhat manipulating world governments, why wouldn't they use their power to draw more mainstream, credible attention to the phenomenon.

I just considered this point as well, as I was typing. People believe that the threat of an alien invasion would unite the world in an effort to battle a common perceived evil, but I believe an invasion of this sort would create worldwide pandemonium instead. I don't believe people would stand and fight, but rather run in terror from an enemy that they perceive to be technologically superior.

Wow man, talk about your attention seeker.

1) if the govt. is trying to create their NWO by trying to unite everyone through the belief of aliens they are doing a terrible job. The govt has only ever denied the existance of aliens, and the majority of ppl in the world still dont believe in aliens.

2) if people believe in aliens its for either one of two reason (there may be more but i feel these are the main ones): one; they have actually seen an alien craft, alien, or know someone that has seen one of the two. and two; they simply realize that we are so infinitively small in the universe that something else must be out there.

3) Alien crafts has been noted in old english documents and on stone carvings.

4) saying aliens don't exist is dumb because even if they aren't traveling to this planet, they still might exist.

5) our technology is likely reversed engineered from some alien craft or artifact.

6) We have no reason not to believe that we might have possibly come to this planet through alien interactions. If that is the case, then there is a very likely reason for then to be watching us, to study us, and to see how their little experiments are doing. Even if we dont come from aliens, i believe any civilization smart enough to have advanced technology would always be seeking more knowledge, ie: documenting us humans. its not like we see their entire civilization, only a few, so i would assume they are scouts.

7) I wish attention seekers like you were not on ATS. back up your findings before posting ignorant comments.

might i also add that ppl dont believe in aliens bc the govt tells them too! thats like the most important fact. they believe bc they want to or have had an experience.

Originally posted by thesun
Dont get me wrong, i hope that we find conclusive evidence about the existence of aliens but right now there is no conclusive evidence about the existence of aliens, so why do go on in believing in things you cant proof to exist, this is a matter of faith and religion.

Well first of all, faith and religion are two different things.

But as I said before, there are people who approach UFOs/Aliens from a religious perspective, so what? That doesn't make everyone who's in ufology (or interested in it) feel the same way or interested for the same reasons.

That would be like saying that every scientist when trying to prove a new theory for which there's no material evidence, is doing it out of religious beliefs.

Many scientists develop their theories and models years before man and science can prove their validity. Were they religious? Maybe you see it as such, I don't and I'm sure the science community doesn't either.

you might as well believe in ghost and spirits because there are more sightings of ghost and spirit through the ages than there is ufos. [...]

ufology is boarderline religious
In scientific terms its a thoery at best.

See, here's the thing, a scientific theory is not even remotely close to religious or faith based 'theory' or 'belief' and I'll tell you why: a scientific theory has scientific grounds.

Now you say "what are the scientific grounds for UFOs/aliens?", and my answer to you is: us.

That's right, we're the scientific grounds for the possibility of alien life. We have prove that we exist. Since it has happened at least once in the Universe, since it has been scientifically observed, the possibility (and probability) of intelligent extra-terrestrial life is much greater than 'ghosts', 'spirits' or even god.

That's where your comparisons fail. But hey, I understand that you feel religious about ufology.. just don't say that it's what ufology is about, because it's not.

ed: spelling.

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There are countless ancient accounts of strange objects in the sky and strange beings aswell. If you look through human history, the world is littered with stories of such things. From the stories in Vedas to the accounts of "balls" that shot "lights" at each other and then "disappeared when they hit the ground."

Plus I've had my own Extraterrestrial encounter and to my knowledge the government hasn't put a chip in my head.

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I was discussing right that with a friend, who is more interested in politics than in ufo´s or aliens(but questions now 9/11 more and more). he too said he thinks that this is possible, that the´elites´use that as a mass phenomenon.

Originally posted by wildcat
They are a hideous lie, created by the Global Elite in order to manipulate the public into a one world government. Many years ago, a man suggested that the best way to unite the world is through artificial alien invasion. After that man suggested that, the Roswell incident occured and we started getting abduction reports. Alien abductions are actually part of the Global Elite's mind control program. And UFOs are actually top secret US military craft.

Think of what you are saying and ask yourself are UFOs present in our life? Did they appear in front of a mass public causing in this way a massive hysteria and a need to seek refuge into a one world goverment? If those Elite people wanted this to happen wouldnt this be more easier and efficient?
Indeed Global Elites would like to gain control of all of our minds but unfortunately for them they will always fail since many people will see that this will never happen.
About the abductees incidents all clinical investigations point to this conclusion : The MAJORITY of these people suffer from a psychotic incident! This means that their experience is not real although they truely believe it was real! Only very few can be taken into consideration.

How come we didn't have any UFO sightings or alien abduction reports in the last 10,000 years of human civilization until just now (20th century)?

Who told you that we havent!!! Many investigators point out that the ancients were also seeing UFOs and they even made drawings of them!!!

It's because the technology is new, and it wasn't around back then.

Oh yes and NASA is spending millions of dollars to create primitive technology in respect to the one that you say that they already have... LOL.

All documents of UFOs and aliens that date before the 20th century are lies.

We live in a free world you may think about it as you want.

If you think aliens are real, then ask yourself this. If you were from a million year old race that has mastered space travel, then would you be interested in interfering with the affairs of a primitive planet?
No, you have much more important things to do then waste time on a primitive planet that is millions of light years away from your homeworld.

Have u ever been to a zoo? Wouldnt u be interested to see an evolving race? I think u would! ;-) Anyway this is just between joke and seriousness. ETs take us far more serious than this but I believe that they simply do not want to interfere with evolution. We are probably going to do the same in sth like 50 thousand years, if of course we survive from ourselves. LOL.

Do not believe this lie, as it will cost you your life.

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Oh come on! Relax. There is noone out there who wants to take our lives for devoting some of our time to UFOs.



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