Mayans, Peak Oil, Billions of Years and the End of the Internet

Just finishing up "2012 - The Return of Quetzalcoatl" by Daniel Pinchbeck, thought about some of the Mayans understanding of time, gotta drop some excerpts:

pg. 191
The alautun represents a span of time that is slightly over 63 million years. Beyond that is, apparently, the hablatun, equivalent to 1.26 billion years.

"One is amazed at the mastery over tremendous numbers implied in the various terms for higher units which have survived," wrote J. Eric Thompson, author. "Surely on a comparative level of material culture have had such a concept of vast numbers and a vocabulary for handling them." One their stone stelea and friezes, the Maya recorded dates as distant as 400 million years in the past.

pg 391
According to Calleman's model, sometime around the year 2008 - the "fifth night" of the current underworld, ruled by the energies of Tezcatlipoca, the jaguar god of night and black magic -- our current socioeconomic system will suffer a drastic and irrevocable collapse. The primary catalyst for this crisis could be an approaching energy crisis. A report recently issued by the US Dept of Energy states: "Previous energy transitions were gradual and evolutionary; oil peaking will be abrupt and revolutionary." According to a 2005 feature in the NYT Magazine: "The consequences of an actual shortfall would be immense," As Peter Maas reported, "When a crisis comes - whether in a year or two or ten - it will be all the more painful because we have done little or nothing to prepare for it."

pg195
Studying the Maya, he (G Hancock) was amazed by the "computer-like circuitry" of their calendars, which maintained the exact synodic orbits and stellar conjunctions of Mercury, Venus, Mars and Saturn; calculated the length of Earth's orbit around the Sun and the Moon's orbit around the Earth w/ extraordinary precision; and kept track of eclipses. Hancock proposed that the calendar was a bequest from a technologically advanced civilization of prehistory, and it's ultimate purpose was to predict "some terrible cosmic or geological catastrophe" in the year 2012, ending the world.

pg235
"In a few years, we will start to dismantle the technosphere, taking the whole thing down. Once a huge mind-shift happens, everyone catches up. I think we will have the Internet until around 2009, and then pull the plug on it. We will realize that technology is just restricting our psychic abilities. After that, we will begin a series of global telepathic experiments. Very quickly, we will find telepathic solutions for our problems and restore the Earth to its pristine state. Humanity is going to be very happy in the garden. I foresee a type of spiritual anarchy and people forming councils and really respecting each other's spiritual freedom as the highest way to peace. The nation-state concept is out of date."

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I know this Mayan calendar is very popular at the moment but there must be like 2 billion threads about them on this site alone now. Yes the oil reserves will be depleted but that has nothing to do with people suddenly becoming telepathic. The Mayan's weren't telepathic, nor did they throw fireballs at their enemies. This is just new age hype about an ancient calendar.

Weren't? There's still millions of MAYANS out there today, did you try asking them if they're telepathic?

This is probably the initial reaction. People are addicted to the Inet, can't live without it, I imagine that bit about the technosphere won't go over so well.

Uh, Copern?!

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Personally, I don't think humankind will pull the plug on the Internet until something better comes along. Maybe if we developed telepathy, people would quit using it afterwards, but certainly not before.

Weren't? There's still millions of MAYANS out there today, did you try asking them if they're telepathic?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could've swore I saw a show on the History Channel that said most Mayans had actually disappeared suddenly and that very few descendants were left. I took it as having some ominous overtone to it, although it could've been genocide or the like. Again, I saw that probably a year ago, so can't be completely certain.

-Warlo

edit - Dern spelling errors!

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The Maya today number about six million people, making them the largest single block of indigenous peoples north of Peru. Some of the largest Maya groups are found in Mexico, the most important of these being the Yucatecs (300,000), the Tzotzil (120,000) and the Tzeltal (80,000). The Yucatecs live on the warm and tropical Yucatán Peninsula, and the Tzotzil and Tzeltal live in the highlands of Chiapas. Other large Maya groups include the Quiché and Cakchiquel Maya of Guatemala, the Chontal and Chol Maya of Mexico, and the Kekchi Maya of Belize. Each of the 31 Maya groups throughout Central America speaks a different, mutually unintelligible language, although all belong to the Mayan language family.

www.civilization.ca...

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Originally posted by anhinga
Weren't? There's still millions of MAYANS out there today, did you try asking them if they're telepathic?

Yeah there are, about 6 million. But they're not telepathic and they don't throw fireballs around.

This is probably the initial reaction. People are addicted to the Inet, can't live without it, I imagine that bit about the technosphere won't go over so well.

Yeah, the internet is evil, let's throw all the evil technology away and become hunter gatherer's again. Because the life of a hunter gatherer is real easy, it's really something to envy isn't it?

I don't know dude, all I am doing is relaying something of a book I read. I didn't claim to be anti-Internet, please, don't kill the messenger.

(also, the complaints about "too many Mayan" threads is a little fascist, isn't it?)

Originally posted by anhinga

The Maya today number about six million people, making them the largest single block of indigenous peoples north of Peru. Some of the largest Maya groups are found in Mexico, the most important of these being the Yucatecs (300,000), the Tzotzil (120,000) and the Tzeltal (80,000). The Yucatecs live on the warm and tropical Yucatán Peninsula, and the Tzotzil and Tzeltal live in the highlands of Chiapas. Other large Maya groups include the Quiché and Cakchiquel Maya of Guatemala, the Chontal and Chol Maya of Mexico, and the Kekchi Maya of Belize. Each of the 31 Maya groups throughout Central America speaks a different, mutually unintelligible language, although all belong to the Mayan language family.

www.civilization.ca...

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Thanks for the reply and the info. (Pulls foot out of mouth)

-Warlo

Take anything you see/hear on History Channel w/ a couple of grains of salt. Aren't they responsible for some of the S11 disinformation campaigns?

Six million Mayans left is a decent number and shouldn't we be able to get some info from their ancestors directly? I've been considering taking a trip to those parts soon to see the civilizations for myself.

Back to this topic, the book is about half good, the author goes into a biography of his own life for most of the second half. The info that I posted is probably the most exciting.... I think I am going to read some Whitley Strieber next.

Also, regarding the Internet point, I could see *them* doing it differently then mentioned in the book, they'll goto pay-per-click until no one can afford the service maybe.

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As long as there is porn out there. The internet will exist. Thanks Al Gore!!

Originally posted by anhinga
"2012 - The Return of Quetzalcoatl" by Daniel Pinchbeck, some excerpts:

pg 391
According to Calleman's model, sometime around the year 2008 - the "fifth night" of the current underworld, ruled by the energies of Tezcatlipoca, the jaguar god of night and black magic -- our current socioeconomic system will suffer a drastic and irrevocable collapse.

Calleman interpets the calander with the exotic twist of the Omega Point
~or collapsing time model~ something like the all events which transpire during the whole "Baktun" is replayed/mirrored in the last 'Tun' (appox 19 yrs)...hence mathematically, 2008 symbolizes 'the 5th night'...
see; www.... calleman.com/
(i recently put into my 'Recycle Bin' the website called 'The Fifth Night')

continuing from the OIP by anhinga

pg195
Studying the Maya, he (G Hancock) was amazed by the "computer-like circuitry" of their calendars, ....
and it's ultimate purpose was to predict "some terrible cosmic or geological catastrophe" in the year 2012, ending the world.

He and many others, somehow figure that the Maya calendar is suddenly
actually meant to be a prediction of future for the whole 'planet'...
when for +1000 years of Maya culture and civilization..their calander
Priests and shaman made predictions which were Maya Centric,

i fail to see how it is that America and the Western World
somehow inherited the perils, calamities, economic & social collapses
that were foretold to be metted out to the Maya peoples at their many
central America Cities in the Maya Empire, at this end of cycle 'Tun'=4 Ahau

continued from OP by anhinga
pg235
"In a few years, we will start to dismantle the technosphere, taking the whole thing down. Once a huge mind-shift happens, everyone catches up.

another thought to consider is that the last time there was a Dramatic Paradigm Change (which he calls "mind-shift")...
it was when The Spanish conquerd the Maya, Aztec, Inca peoples & what remained of those Empires...substuiting their blood-letting religious rites & paradigms with the wooden cross symbol & Christianity...

my own view is that this next 2012, elevation of humanity(mind-shift),
will be somewhat akin to the Christian Invasion( & destruction) of the Maya
culture back some ~500 years ago.

maybe all those 6 million descendents of the Maya scattered all over central america will convet again to another worldview,
it could be Islam or even Empirical Science, to point out just two,
new (to them) paradigms or mind-shifts, raising of consciousness, et al

Thanks for the reply St Udie, some interesting points on the MAYAN stuff.... haven't thought about another worldview as per religion, I think the Mayans didn't have a religion until the Spanish Conquest. Then, they grudgingly accept Christianity.

Thanks for the post..maybe you could share more details concerning the return of Quetzecoatal...

Thanks again

There's another thread about "EBEs and what a military insider knows" around -- where the OP could send you a Word file about that topic. I accidentally deleted mine, it's over 12 pages. A pretty interesting read, anyway, to the point, a Quetzalcoatl-like figure is drawn in that book. Supposedly, he'll return in 2012 as a Jesus-like prophet to the remaining Mayan people in this thread's subject.

I've been reading the Pleiades teachings and they claim to have JC w/ now, who's name is actually Immanuel. Regardless, the "dimensional" shift is a popular theory, which is touched upon a lot in the book. Also, catastrophe theory is delved into, a lot of pole shift, comet, massive earthquake and other calamities.

This is a good article from 2006 in the Toronto Star about 2012 and what they learned talking to some professors and looking at the cultural relation already.

I've been talking up this book by Cormac McCarthy, "The Road" which is about a cryptic apocalypse set in the not-so-distant American (assumed) future. Scroll down that link for some review clips. . . . I often try to get conversation started about that book -- seems to relate to 2012 . . . .

Back to the question: like I said, he's a JC-like figure, who can shape shift into a half-bird and snake. I doubt the superhuman element of a lot of that stuff but who knows as the Earth and rest of our imminent solar system heads into a "galactic equator" by 2012.

I still advocate reading this book, too much bio but for a used or library read, it's worth the time. 400 pages, first half flies right by, a lot of crop circle, Grays and disaster theory in the first half.