Crashed drug plane owned by US Government?

reply to post by Gools


And its a dirty job but someone has to do it.

No surprise here. Reminds me back in the days of Oliver North and that other guy with the funny name. Back then it was with Iran and contras, Noriga and Nicaragua.

reply to post by FreeThinkerIdealist

Since I read the book "Whteout"

www.amazon.com...=pd_bbs_sr_4/103-0709750-7206251?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192042651&sr=8-4< br />
I really kinda like the ol'

C.I.A =

Cocaine Import Agency

from the Amazon review:

"Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair take the revelations of the links between the Central Intelligence Agency, the Nicaraguan Contras, and the Los Angeles crack market that journalist Gary Webb exposed in 1996--revelations that are the basis of Webb's book Dark Alliance--and use them as a springboard for a tale of the U.S. government's involvement with the illegal drug trade that extends much further back than Webb's tale.

The specific revelations are not, perhaps, entirely new; many know, for example, that even before there was a CIA, the WWII-era Office of Strategic Services enlisted the aid of gangster "Lucky" Luciano in arranging support among the Sicilian Mafia for the American invasion of Italy, or that the CIA was actively involved in the Southeast Asian opium trade during the Vietnam War. But Cockburn and St. Clair persuasively argue that the traditional explanation for such events--"rogue elements"--is deliberately misleading, and that the mainstream "liberal" press plays an active role in this obfuscation (noting, for example, that Webb's three biggest attackers were the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and Washington Post). By providing an overarching narrative rather than treating these incidents as isolated, the authors present a damning indictment of the CIA--but one that fully admits that the agency was not acting on its own, but was merely fulfilling the mandates of the American government. --Ron Hogan --This text refers to the Hardcover edition."

Pretty damning stuff in that there book people.

How about totally restructuring the Intel agencies in favour of the people?
Hmm now theres an idea.

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Pretty damning stuff in that there book people.

How about totally restructuring the Intel agencies in favour of the people?
Hmm now theres an idea.

That is a good book.

Ive always liked CIA= Capitalisms International Army.

And as for a restructuring of the CIA, it would be nice, but itll never happen. Its inherant function and dedication is to the State, and not the people.

Here is the 4 month flight history of this aircraft according to www.flightaware.com...

Activity Log
Date Type Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration
18-Sep-2007 G159/L Fort Lauderdale Executive (KFXE) Cancun Int'l (MMUN) 07:22PM EDT result unknown (?) n/a
16-Sep-2007 GLF2/Q Clearwater Intl (KPIE) Fort Lauderdale Executive (KFXE) 01:45PM EDT 02:27PM EDT 0:42
30-Aug-2007 G2/Q Wichita Mid-Continent (KICT) Clearwater Intl (KPIE) 01:12PM CDT 04:29PM EDT 2:17
30-Aug-2007 G2/Q Salt Lake City Intl (KSLC) Wichita Mid-Continent (KICT) 09:06AM MDT 11:40AM CDT 1:34
29-Aug-2007 GLF2/Q Boeing Field Intl (KBFI) Salt Lake City Intl (KSLC) 07:24PM PDT 09:57PM MDT 1:33
29-Aug-2007 GLF2/Q Daugherty Field (KLGB) Boeing Field Intl (KBFI) 04:34PM PDT 06:35PM PDT 2:01
26-Aug-2007 GLF2/Q Boeing Field Intl (KBFI) Daugherty Field (KLGB) 05:11PM PDT 07:20PM PDT 2:09
26-Aug-2007 GLF2/Q Colorado Sprgs Muni (KCOS) Boeing Field Intl (KBFI) 02:37PM MDT 04:01PM PDT 2:24
24-Aug-2007 GLF2/Q Daugherty Field (KLGB) Colorado Sprgs Muni (KCOS) 02:39PM PDT 05:22PM MDT 1:43
23-Aug-2007 GLF2/Q Van Nuys (KVNY) Daugherty Field (KLGB) 12:36PM PDT 12:51PM PDT 0:15
12-Jul-2007 G2/G Ontario Intl (KONT) Van Nuys (KVNY) 11:32PM PDT 11:47PM PDT 0:15
12-Jul-2007 GLF2/Q Brownsville Intl (KBRO) Ontario Intl (KONT) 10:04PM CDT 10:47PM PDT 2:43
12-Jul-2007 GLF2/Q Brownsville Intl (KBRO) Ontario Muni (KONO) 10:04PM CDT Diverted
08-Jul-2007 GLF2/Q Teterboro (KTEB) Cibao Int'l (MDST) 06:32PM EDT 01:04AM GMT (+1) 2:32
05-Jul-2007 GLF2/Q Dallas/Fort Worth Intl (KDFW) Teterboro (KTEB) 04:29PM CDT 08:15PM EDT 2:46
02-Jul-2007 G2/Q Republic (KFRG) Dallas/Fort Worth Intl (KDFW) 09:22PM EDT 11:30PM CDT 3:08
01-Jul-2007 GLF2/Q Baltimore/Washington Intl (KBWI) Republic (KFRG) 08:06PM EDT 08:49PM EDT 0:43
01-Jul-2007 GLF2/Q Teterboro (KTEB) Baltimore/Washington Intl (KBWI) 07:00PM EDT 07:29PM EDT 0:29
01-Jul-2007 GLF2/Q Bob Hope (KBUR) Teterboro (KTEB) 10:01AM PDT 05:39PM EDT 4:38
01-Jul-2007 GLF2/Q Daugherty Field (KLGB) Bob Hope (KBUR) 08:23AM PDT 08:38AM PDT 0:15
27-Jun-2007 GLF2/Q Bowerman (KHQM) Daugherty Field (KLGB) 03:24PM PDT 05:32PM PDT 2:08
27-Jun-2007 GLF2/Q Daugherty Field (KLGB) Bob Hope (KBUR) 08:07AM PDT result unknown (?) n/a
27-Jun-2007 GLF2/Q Daugherty Field (KLGB) Bowerman (KHQM) 08:07AM PDT Diverted
19-Jun-2007 GLF2/Q Van Nuys (KVNY) Daugherty Field (KLGB) 02:09PM PDT 02:27PM PDT 0:18
19-Jun-2007 GLF2/Q Meadows Field (KBFL) Van Nuys (KVNY) 11:24AM PDT 11:45AM PDT 0:21
19-Jun-2007 GLF2/Q Van Nuys (KVNY) Meadows Field (KBFL) 10:41AM PDT 10:58AM PDT 0:17
19-Jun-2007 GLF2/Q Daugherty Field (KLGB) Van Nuys (KVNY) 07:46AM PDT 08:08AM PDT 0:22
16-Jun-2007 GLF2/Q Daugherty Field (KLGB) Daugherty Field (KLGB) 06:44PM PDT 07:43PM PDT

Originally posted by deltaboy
Probably because the Taliban got their butts kicked and need a source of funds to keep their Jihad against American coalition in Afghanistan. Where the Taliban going to get their funds from? Afghan taxpayers?

This is corroborated by real evidence. In the tribal regions, I've seen documentaries by al-jazeera and the like describing how the Taliban used to execute drug manufacturers and runners, but are now sanctioning it in all territory under their control and taxing the regular folk who grow it heavily. This is of course to buy munitions, weapons and supplies from Pakistan, which they do through "city mules", or people who are not known to be affiliated with the Islamist groups picked locally to drive in to Peshawar and buy up the AK-47's, 7.62 size ammunition, RPG-7's, grenades, and whatever else they need. Then they take it back to the 'nest' .. since all that stuff is sold on the open market in Pakistan, especially near the tribal areas where everyday life, with or without war, can depend on if you have a firearm or not.

A lot of van nuys activity,hmm
Sounds familiar,can't quite remember...something Clinton related I suspect.

I used googleEarth and the data from flight explorer to plot the flight path of this CIA aircraft during the last 4 months of its existance.

As I was plotting I found that there were many holes in the flight plans. All of a sudden the aircraft would start a flight from a different airport than the one at which it was located. So I assume the CIA or someone has covered up the most sensitive flight data. Either way here is what we have...

One of the flights went to Cibao INTL Airport in the Dominican Republic

Here is a great link with 4 photos of this CIA aircraft in places like Puerto Rico, London, and Rhode Island.

N987SA PHOTOS

reply to post by InSpiteOf


I would like to use this opportunity to say that there is a thread with some great work about that case (especially from LoganCale) here.

LoganCale also did some investigation about this new case.

reply to post by AllSeeingI


Thank you for all the information; it is much welcome.

My oh my, they have been some very busy boys. How many billions do you think the heroin production is worth worldwide? Nothing better than a CIA plane to transport the bulk of it for distribution.

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


Was Van Nuys where that Buddhist temple was?

You mean this plane, owned by this company?
This article may add to the thread...
drug plane

Yup, I have a hunch that this is what the whole 9/11 attacks, WOT and subsequent cover-up was about. Laundering drug money. I have no proof besides tons of circumstantial evidence and hearsay. We'll (more than likely) never know for sure.

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Its a perfect ruse: If the flight gets caught, they can say that tghey were ' tracking ' the flight to bust later, if it gets thru, as happens 9-% of the time, then they get rich and provide vast sums to the black ops budget and the crooked politicians, like Clinton in Mena Arkansas and The Poindexter crew in SA during the Iran'/Contra days..but these days it is heroin money and coc aine money thriving and enriching the bad guys, who are really the good guys..or so they say..

This world is so crooked and corrupt and there are so many deadly and devious intel guys out there that would slit al our throats for a dollar that we might as well get used to it; did anyone really think that the big boys were going to allow peasants to be the only ones getting rich off of drugs? No way..the players aalways have been the rich and always wil be.

No one will be charged with the latest capture, and no douibt arrangements are already being made to ship that coc aine somewhere up here for ' investigation and disposal ' !! This whole nation is being run by racketeers and murderers and the People slumber on..

Originally posted by apc
I don't think Bush is involved at all with government drug smuggling beyond his ongoing involvement with the CIA. Plausible deniability would have to be maintained, after all.

I mean come on, a plane full of coc aine goes down... he'd have to declare war on somebody.

I think the real question is "Is anyone nieve enough not think there are governmental controls on CIA operations."

oh read the comments on the page also, they are pretty good.

[edit on 10-10-2007 by Redge777]

Strange, but not supprising.

Kind of disturbing, but be realistic, that the powers that be have had so much to gain from illigal drugs, and have been doing so for a LONG time...

Massive Kudos for finding the flight path for the last few months of the plane, i'd be expecting a knock on your door any time from the Men in Black

Here is the history from a local newspaper ,I traslate to English for you to understand

www.poresto.net...

They want to get away

No company of EU adjudges to the property of the airplane Grumman Gulf Stream II that fell loaded of mount coc aine of Tixkokob/ "Donna Blue Inc. Aircraft", "temporary owner" of the airship A thick mystery extends on the proprietor of the airplane Grumman Gulf Stream II that, loaded of coc aine, fell in the first hours of Monday near the municipal head of Tixkokob: : there are three companies, all of them North Americans, but no takes responsibility of the apparatus. Of the three - S/A Holdings LLC, with seat in Garden City, New York; Donna Blue Inc. Aircraft, with address in 4811 Lyons Technology Pkwy Ste 8 of Coconut Creek, Florida; and Air Rutter International, whose bases they are in Long Beach, California and Farmingdale, New York -, only the general manager of this last one granted a sparing interview to us and hardly to inform that the airship no longer was property of that company. Mr. Bill Crip, which the day before yesterday one refused to take us numerous the call that we did to him to its office, to express question from Por Esto ! he did not deny nor he affirmed yesterday that Air Rutter International has bonds with the North American government. Simply he responded: "I cannot answer to him". It did not need either who bought the apparatus that, assures, no longer is of the company that directs: It only said that "Donna Blue Inc. Aircraft" "was involved" in the sale. Nevertheless, it did not know to explain convincingly why if the apparatus "were sold" the 30 of August next past, until Monday 24 of September, that is to say, the day before yesterday, the narcotics detective-Grumman still was offered in rent in its page of Internet. On the matter only it answered that "it was an error". But still there are more loose ends in this case that has interest by the enormous sum with dollars that means the drug confiscated after the fall of the apparatus: "Donna Blue Inc. Aircraft." it appears solely as proprietor of the Grumman by the short period of a month: of the 31 of August from the 2007 to the 30 of September of the 2007, according to the governmental office of registry of airships of the North American government. It had plans "Donna Blue Inc. Aircraft" to return the airplane to Air Rutter International, after that term and the type of "operations" in which it is involved? Also it calls the attention that "Donna Blue Inc. Aircraft", the "temporary owner" of the airship, used in its flights the corporative image of the selling company Air Rutter International, as it demonstrates the use of napkins, glasses and other utensils with logotipo of that company.


More information on thoses links :

www.reuters.com...

pimpinturtle.com...

And you can also follow this history from a previuos plane it's worth to read it too.

www.madcowprod.com...


there is more from the local newspaper like the phone interview to Bill Crip , I Will post next...

[edit on 10-10-2007 by jorgecancun]