Room temperature Superconductivity, Exotic Matter, Hal Puthoff, David Hudson, ORMES and Ancient Egyp

What ? You may rightfully ask do Room temperature Superconductivity, Exotic Matter, Hal Puthoff, David Hudson, ORMES, Ancient Egypt and Quantum Physics have in common?

(Exotic Matter may be refered to as the 'fifth state of matter', since plasmas are generally considered the 4th state of Matter).

These are cutting edge physics which I have not seen discussed here before.
Just so you understand, patents were applied for and granted in I believe 9 countries, except the U.S.
Reason?
DOD said that these discoveries fall under DOD and National Security Regulations, and pressured the US Patent office not to grant the Patents for these reasons. They were granted in other countries however.
If anyone here knows the implications of Room temperature Superconductivity as it relates to 0 point energy, please elaborate on that aspect.
In an effort to provide additional detail, I am providing links to some freely available Mp3 files of lectures by the discoverer himself, David Hudson in the 80's.
They may be downloaded here:
www.hbci.com...

Here are the first 3 links directly (There are 9 total, I believe) :
1 www.hbci.com...

2 www.hbci.com...

3 www.hbci.com...


Found some additional mp3's on this subject:

www.hbci.com...

Give all of them a listen.
I hope you will find it facinating, as I did.
He goes into the medicinal properties of this substance later on, and explains how it does what it does, on a purely Quantum level which I found to be again, facinating and believeable .
He explains the basics of heavy elements and Quantum Physics at a level that anyone can understand.
Jim Marrs, one of our distinguished members has done a quick synopsis of the incredible story here :

www.jimmarrs.com...

Thought it'd be more interesting than if jessica alba has herpes or britney is insane....

The website is bogus. ORMUS is bogus.

The first paragraph implys that superconductors lose 55.6% of their weight. This has been studied extensively and found not to be true. It sounds like a poor spin-off of Podkletnov's anti-gravity research.

And if these scammers have a room temperature superconductor they would not need to have these stupid websites up trying to sell their garbage to ignorant people.


For real information on superconductors try the following links and remember to deny ignorance.
superconductors.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Golack


Several problems with your 'debunkery'.

1) I have not referenced the website as other than the place to download the mp3 lectures of David Hudson. I make no claim as to the content of the site, as I am not referencing it. Other than the paragraph you just cited below.

2) Your silly paraphrasing of the paragraph " that superconductors lose 55.6% of their weight" is not even close to correct. Here is what it actually says " "High Spin State" atoms change their relationship with gravity and now manifest only 55.6% of the weight they have in the "Low Spin State."
The opposite of your 'strong' statement
I now give this particular "stupid websites up trying to sell their garbage to ignorant people" more credence than I do your "ignorant" response.

3) You then go on to say "For real information on superconductors try the following links and remember to deny ignorance. "
And then you cite wikipedia as a reference. Do you even know how wikipedia operates?

Please.
As a 'debunker' you fail miserably. As a 'wannabe', you're doing just fine.
Have you listened to the cited material?
I'll answer that. No.
If you say 'yes' then I have some very pointed questions to ask you.
Do you dispute the references given in the lectures?
You typify the "ignorance" and M.O. of the wannabe 'debunker'.

Try harder.

BTW, I am not here to convince you of anything.
I'm here to share data, and sources.
Make of it what you will, but please don't comment, unless you've reviewed the material.
And be mindful of T&C, or you may be warned.

Thats great.

Ok I tried to do some research to debunk this. This is how I proceded:

I searched the following databases...

Pubmed - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Smithsonian/Nasa Astrophysics Data System - adsabs.harvard.edu...
Cornell University Library - arxiv.org...
Science Direct - www.sciencedirect.com...
Google Scholar - scholar.google.com...

for the following terms...
ormus
orme
s-orme
monoatomic gold
orbitally rearranged monoatomic elements
white powder gold

I found exactly 0 articles relating to a substance with the properties mentioned in those mp3s or on the website. Search for yourself if you wish.


Now onto the patent deal. You are corrent when you say there are no patents. I have searched searched several patent databases and found nothing.

But you claim this is so because this material is classified in the name of national security.

How is it then that there are hundreds of sites trying to sell this junk. If it is truly a top secret material these websites would be shut down and it would not be available to the general population.

Have a look for yourself, go to www.google.com... and type in:
ormus
white powder gold
monoatomic gold
etc.

Many many shiester sites, one even claims it is a cure for cancer, how sickening.

As for wikipedia it might be somewhat biased but the scientific articles are still fairly accurate and I found nothing wrong in that article about real superconductors.

Couldn't find no patents huh

How comes THIS site has ELEVEN.

Remember, he couldn't/ decided not to file a patent in the USA becuase it would have to be filed as use for military application, and they wanted him to show them EVERYTHING about his research, so he (D. Hudson) thought "sod this" and filed patents in other parts of the world under the guise of "industrial" and "medical" applications.

Enjoy...

11 Patents for ORMEs....Adobe Reader files

FROM

The EUROPEAN patent office



AoN

[edit on 12-10-2007 by Anomic of Nihilism]

[edit on 12-10-2007 by Anomic of Nihilism]

Perhaps someone who's listened to the mp3s could summarize his reasoning for us - I for one can't be bothered to listen to a bunch of lectures huntintg for the salient points... Perhaps there's a website where it's explained in text?

Also, having a patent doesn't prove that the idea actually works - it just makes sure that if it does work no-one can steal the idea.

As others have pointed out, if this chap could make room-temperature superconductors in the eighties, where are they now? His method looks simple, so why is no-one doing it? Perhaps because it doesn't actually work...

Here is one of MANY sites containing a transcript of his lecture

David Hundson, ORMUS lecture: Transcript

Here is LAURENCE GARDENER's lecture Secrets of the Lost Ark

All about ORMES.....

PART ONE



PART TWO



Other Related research to read (ALL of it anicdotel, Nothing 100% conclusive)

David R. HUDSON : Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements (ORMEs)

ORMUS Articles: LOADS of them

ENJOY!!!

AoN

reply to post by jim_w

I for one can't be bothered to listen to a bunch of lectures huntintg for the salient points

I know what you mean but TRUST me, its only about an hour long and it REALLY is an INTERESTING story. Honestly!!

The dudes a FARMER, not a University lecturer. They way he tells the story, its like listening to someone you know; telling you the story.....EXTREMELY informal and VERY easy to listen to.

But if you really can't stomache listen to just Audio, then the VIDEOS linked above will give you ALL the info you need to start checking stuff out you self.

Peace

AoN

I for one would recommend listening to the mp3's of Hudsons lecture because in it he answers all your questions and every thing else you would like to know about the stuff he even pretty much tells you how to make it !
As for all those people on the net selling the stuff he says in his lecture he is not willing to or unable to sell it although if you ever run into him on the street just ask him for some because he says he would be obliged to give you some !
Yes the lecture is very long but it will save you countless hours sifting through all the crap on the net (and theres alot) and at least you will have heard it from the true source instead of basing your critisms on all the misinformation out there . I personally can not believe more people have not become more interested in his findings the implications are totally Earth changing or better still people changing ! then again he does mention the changes are coming weather we believe it or not. I could mention space travel , time travel , levitation ect and an unlimited power supply but others have already mentioned it and I believe they have missed the point , it perfects your body corrects or unlocks your DNA turns your body into a super conducter gives your light body what it needs to be what its supposed to be !
he does give a warning though it perfects the body but not the mind you get the choice of using it for good or evil and yes it gets Biblical the guy worked out how to make the tree of life the philophosers stone , mana , gods spittle or what ever else they have called it through the ages un be known to him at the time of discovering it. I did read some where
he tried to build a plant for manufacturing the stuff the plant was sabotaged and there was a spill of some kind and the authorities shut him down , later he developed health problems a heart condition from memory and then disapeared from the face of the earth and no ones heard from him since , funny that since his biggest adversary was the American military or what ever else is controlling them .
bio-plasmics.org...




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it perfects your body corrects or unlocks your DNA turns your body into a super conducter gives your light body what it needs to be what its supposed to be !

Care to elaborate on this?

I would still like to know why there is no scientific literature on it. Care to explain that one?

reply to post by Golack

I would still like to know why there is no scientific literature on it. Care to explain that one?

Why don't you actually READ the story, listen to the MP3s or watch the vids. Then you'l actually KNOW what you're talking about when asking you questions.

I don't mean this to be rude, but i'd make a fair bet that you haven't researched ANY of this enough to come to ANY sort of conclusion.

Nothing worse than an "ill-informed" skeptic, actually go an find out extactly WHAT it is you don't believe.


Peace
AoN

[edit on 15-10-2007 by Anomic of Nihilism]

The thing is, there are so many nutters out there claiming this type of thing that it's not worth anyone's time to look in to each one as they come up. Anyone claiming to have results fundamentally challenging the known laws of physics needs very good evidence to make those claims. If this guy has done what he claims, every university in the world would want to study his discoveries.

Originally posted by Anomic of Nihilism
reply to post by Golack

 

I would still like to know why there is no scientific literature on it. Care to explain that one?

Why don't you actually READ the story, listen to the MP3s or watch the vids. Then you'l actually KNOW what you're talking about when asking you questions.

I don't mean this to be rude, but i'd make a fair bet that you haven't researched ANY of this enough to come to ANY sort of conclusion.

Nothing worse than an "ill-informed" skeptic, actually go an find out extactly WHAT it is you don't believe.

Peace
AoN

[edit on 15-10-2007 by Anomic of Nihilism]

Why don't you quit assuming I havent heard of this.

I listened to those mp3s back in 2004, read the transcript, and read all the websites. I came to the same conclusion then that I have now, it is a big fraud.

If there was any merit to his discovery it would be more well known. There is no literature on this besides a few low quality websites. Are you trying to tell me this guy discovered another state of matter with beneficial medical properties and no university student or professor wrote a paper on it? No corporation looked into it?

I personally feel the whole story is a work of fiction used to fuel sales on those websites selling 'mana'.

But the video isn't really important - I agree that it looks fake, but even if it's real it proves nothing. They claim to be scientists, but their website has lots of flashy graphics but no science. If they had really discovered something important they'd write it up in words with all the maths and references so other scientists can check it out. Instead they make youtube videos. This alone is enough to ignore these people.

reply to post by Golack


Remember, flashy fake website disinformation serves to distract the mainstream from the classified nature of this reality. Working with high level contractors it is my job to understand the exotic nature of high-spin, superdeformed, monatomic, transition group elements. If it is evidence your looking for, take a stroll to your local university library. There you will find a mountain of legitimate data and research publications on the subject. Here are just a few examples: Physical Review C, vol. 39, # 3 March 1989 'Possible discontinuity in octupole behavior in the Pt-Hg region'; Scientific American Dec. 1989 'Microclusters, Small aggregates of atoms constitute a distinct phase of matter. Their chemistry, at once highly reactive and selective, has possible applications in catalysis, optics and electronics.'; Physical Review C vol. 41 #4 April 1990 'Quantum size effects in rapidly rotating nuclei'; Physical Review C vol. 41 #4 April 1990 'Inertias of superdeformed bands'; Physical Review A vol. 49, # 2 Feb. 1994 'Inertia as a zero-point-field Lorentz force'; Scientific American October 1991 'The Spectra of Superdeformed Nuclei'; Physical Review C vol. 37, # 2 Feb. 1988 'Collective and single particle structure in Rhodium 103'; Scientific American Dec. 1989 'New Radioactivities, An atomic nucleus can spontaneously restructure itself, occasionally ejecting rare clusters of protons and neutrons. Observations of these new radioactivities have illuminated theories of nuclear dynamics.'; Physical Review A vol. 39,# 5 March 1989 'Gravity as a zero-point-fluctuation force' by H.E. Puthoff;Scientific American 'The Classical Vacuum' by Timothy Boyer; Physical Review C vol. 38,# 2 August 1988 Rapid Communications 'Superdeformation in Palladium 104,105'; Physical Review C vol. 38 # 2 August 1988 'Structure of Os and Pt isotopes'; Physical Review C vol.14 # 1 July 1976 'High-spin states in Pd isotopes and gapless superconductivity'; Physical Review Letters vol. 62 # 10 March 1989 'Direct Mapping of Adotom-Adotom Interactions'; Physical Review Letters vol. 62#9 Feb. 1989 'Bound States, Cooper Pairing, and Bose Condensation in Two Dimensions';Physical Review Letters vol. 88 #5 Feb. 2002 Generic Entanglement Generation, Quantum Statistics, and Complementarity'; Platinum Metals Review, vol.34 #4 1990 'Medical Uses'; Oxford Guide to the Elements by A. Stwertka p. 126 and p.177 'medical uses..'; United States Department of Agriculture Soil Conservation Service 1980 'Soil Survey of Yuma-Wellton Area'; Physiological Chemistry and Physics 3 1971, pp.403-10 'Evidence from Activation Energies for Superconductive Tunneling in Biological Systems at Physiological Temperatures'; Physica Scripta vol.40 1989 pp. 786-91 'Biological Sensitivity to Weak Magnetic Fields Due to Biological Superconductive Josephson Junctions'; Platinum Metals Review vol.34 #4 1990 p.235 'Biophysical Studies of the Modification of DNA by Antitumour Platinum Coordination Complexes'; Department of Engineering Physics and Mathematics, Helsinki University of Technology 'Nuclear Magnetism and Superconductivity in Rhodium'; Department of Physical Sciences, High Energy Physics Division, University of Helsinki, Finland 'Bio-Systems as Super-Conductors: Part I

THANK YOU my friend. And WELCOME to ATS

You have just turned this discussion from the 'speculative', to something that can actually be researched.

Thankyou again for the infomation you sourced, 'tis much appreciated.

Hope to see you around the boards

Peace
AoN

I guess being a human being automatically makes us all alchemists if we like it or not !!!! just by breathing , eating , drinking walking in the sun or screwing what ever you put into your mouth is a chemical reaction . The problem seems to be that most people are oblivious to this fact mainly due to lack of interest , oppression , enviroment and because there is a lot of money to be made from mans ignorance and there are powerfull people out there exploiting this fact .
We all age get sick and eventually die because most of us have no idea what our bodies need or how our bodies function , and I might add not every one has access to high tech equipment and funding to work it out myself included.
Our bodies are able to repair them selves when they have the right amounts of vitimins and minerals clean water and air and a happy enviroment wich very few are exposed to these days the planet included . We get hungry so we go up to the shop and buy some mcdonalds and fries and a thick shake (whats in it?) you try and eat healthy so you go to the supermarket and by some fresh fruit and vegetables ? (whats in it) mabe have a glass of water from the tap (whats in it) feeling a little stressed out ? here have a cigarrette and seeing that you had a real crappy day at work while you have been exposed to who knows what you better stop at the drive through and get a six pack or mabe at bottle of bourbon that should make you feel better right.
Oh dear your feeling sick you better go to the doctor and he will give you some thing that
will make you all better right ?
I dont think so why ? there is no money to be made from healthy human beings but there is plenty to be made from sick people not dead ones sick ones , you know the people who do all the crap jobs that no one really wants to do !
Now if some guy found a cure all for every known illness known to man that increased there intelligence from 10% to 100% what would happen ?
The first thing would be stick that toxic boring job where it fits secondly he would stop eating and drinking the crap (poison) from the shops and thirdly he might see that his enviroment has been made toxic ! and this is where the problems would start as it would be logical to try and fix it .
Alternative power clean remineralised food and water and the end to all drug companies and dealers .
As you can see he would be upsetting people in control of the oil drugs food and water not to mention the miltary and pretty much the whole world order of things ,, powerfull people
who like things as they are .

Now how hard would it be for such people to supress this information ??

Originally posted by Anomic of Nihilism
THANK YOU my friend. And WELCOME to ATS

You have just turned this discussion from the 'speculative', to something that can actually be researched.

Thankyou again for the infomation you sourced, 'tis much appreciated.

Hope to see you around the boards

Peace
AoN

Yeah thanks for nothing.

None of those articles have anything to do with the material hudson described.

Try here www.rexresearch.com... his UK patent is also available for download good luck !!! and dont blame me if your flesh falls of and your ass drops out.