(NBC:We Need more illegals) NorCal Farmers Worry Fruit Will Rot On Trees

The farmers are so spoiled by paying these illegals slave labor and now they are afraid they might actually have to pay a fair wage to an American. This is ridiculous! Stop being so greedy farmers and pay an honest days wage for an honest days work. The farmers are doing the same thing they did in the south in the old days . They are having slaves pick their crops and I'm sick of it.

If they want illegals all they have to do is go into Freehold NJ and pick up as many as they want. Also Matawan NJ has a large population of them. Just pop by any local convience store and you will find hundreds of them sitting around waiting for the next pick up truck to pull in.

The story is crap.

does anyone remember all the fruit freezeing this year? i honestly think this is all a ploy to raise prices to make up for there losses b/c of the bad grow season this year.

EXACTLY!!! Don't you people get it? We need workers. They need jobs. The immigration limits are arbitrary, anti-libertarian (laissez faire, remember?), and even anti-human rights. The mentality of restricting movement in the name of "security" is the mentality of the gulag.

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If I got paid 10 dollars and hour to pick fruit I wouldn't have any issues doing it...

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But if that were to be the case, few Americans could afford fruit!

reply to post by uberarcanist


Untrue.
Despite my earlier post about how much it sucked picking fruit in my youth, the majority of farm/fruit production jobs in Canada are now unionized and pay better than $10/hour, yet Canadian produce remains competitive with US imports.

Originally posted by BitRaiser
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Untrue.
Despite my earlier post about how much it sucked picking fruit in my youth, the majority of farm/fruit production jobs in Canada are now unionized and pay better than $10/hour, yet Canadian produce remains competitive with US imports.

my point exactly. The pay for the work is the issue...

Perfect solution: Take all those prisoners sitting around doing nothing and make them do the work. Or make all those on welfare go out there and work for their money. No more free ride Send all the homeless people in our cities there. Gives them something to do, and money to live.

Problem solved Illegals are not the answer.


There are plenty of people who are being supported by our government who can go out there and do the job that illegals are doing. Plenty. They just dont want to do it.

[edit on 10-10-2007 by greeneyedleo]

dntwastetime,

Let me ask you this. You say this is all "MK" and propaganda in supporting undocumented immigrants. To a degree, I admit it does look like more MK and propaganda for slave labor, but I lean more towards economic shock testing than anything. But what I want to point out to you is how you yourself have an agenda (against Mexicans) and your statements are racist. Let me show you.

Originally posted by dntwastetime
I do not think having all of Mexico up here is going to solve the problem even if it is true.

Do you see what you just did? You just showed that you don't have a problem with undocumented immigrants, you have a problem with Mexicans in general. Mexicans are not the only humans immigrating illegaly into the United States. Your generalized statement shows this.

Over here you realized what you did and tried to cover your self by writing...

Nothing against Mexicos people, I do not blame them for wanting to come here one bit, and they are wonderful people. Everyone in the World should have freedom, peace, and have a great life.

But in the same post you write...

I was in a bank the other day, and this very spanish looking woman recieved about 8000 in fiftys. She could have been responsible for a buisiness, or this and that,It just looked so wrong to me. Americans are scratching around in the dirt looking for money, and this woman is recieving a huge stack of money with a little smile on her face, the teller was smiling so happy to help her out, I almost puked. I said some yang too out loud in the bank after she left, because I dont care.I have to have like 3 forms of ID just to cash a check, and everyone looks at me like I am a terrorist, it is insane.

How do you know that this "very spanish looking woman" was undocumented? When you contradict yourself here, how do you actually feel? Your little story shows me that your mind operates in a profiling mode. Whenever you see someone, specially if they are "very spanish looking" doing or acquiring something you really want, something you envy, you flip out, become irrational, as your story says. This is the mind of an envious racist.

You should consider what you post on these boards because, contrary to what you believe, there are some people who are Mexican, including myself, who do take offense to statements like yours. I agree the issue of undocumented immigrants is a big one, and a hard one to solve, but your spewing of hateful speech is not going to help specially if you do not understand the circumstances that have forced these people to have to immigrate, even if it means doing it illegaly into another country.

All I ask now is that you apologize and answer this question:

What are the circumstances that have forced people from all over the world to immigrate into the United States illegaly?

I'll make it simple, just explain to me the circumstances that aply to Mexico and the countries that are further south of the Americas.

Hopefully this thread does not get moved over to PTS, were it belongs, before you answer my question.

Sorry if I offended you, it is not personal. I see your point of view and I hope you see it from my point of view as well.I will send you a U2U with my response since arguing doesnt belong in public forums.

Yes the Mexican government is the richest elite in the world and your people are the poorest. Thats the motivator for the takeover of America.I understand.



[edit on 11-10-2007 by dntwastetime]

For the farmers: Boohoo, I guess you'll have to cut some of your profits and start paying a decent wage. I doubt its that there isn't enough illegals to pick fruit for them. The smart ones just found better jobs.

Originally posted by dntwastetime
Sorry if I offended you, it is not personal. I see your point of view and I hope you see it from my point of view as well.I will send you a U2U with my response since arguing doesnt belong in public forums.

Yes the Mexican government is the richest elite in the world and your people are the poorest. Thats the motivator for the takeover of America.I understand.

I appreciate your response but you misunderstand the purpose of these forums. What makes you think I want to argue with you. Don't you think it is better to just debate things in a civilized manner. The reason you rather U2U me is because you don't want people to see what you truly are, in a public forum. If you are not looking for civilized argument, then you are in the wrong boards and you should not make comments like the ones you make if you do not understand why the things are the way they are. Let me post what you sent me.

(u2u Removed)

You keep contradicting your self. You say your problem is only with undocumented immigrants, yet you keep going back to Mexico. YOU ARE STILL GENERALIZING! The only way this can be interpreted is that you are racist plus envious and greedy. Listen, I could care less if you get banned or not but when you make comments like that on a public forum, expect to be challenged, specially here on ATS.

Trust me, I can accept that I've had, in the past, feelings of hate towards people who are different from me. Not is not the case anymore, I am no longer ignorant in that sense. Separatism is not good for us, as a species. I'm 22 now and I had learned this lesson since I was very young. This is what I want to show you. Your ignorance.

You still do not understand why the things are the way they are. If you did, you would not mind doing it openly, on a public forum, were you made your initial comment.

The only other thing that I can comment on is your fear that Mexico will take over the U.S. I can't believe you actually think that. Once you understand that the way things are run in Mexico will soon be how the things are run here in the United States. When you understand how much influence the U.S foreign policy has on Mexico, then we might be able to debate, but until you learn to live out of your racist ideals, I highly recommend you not make comments like that if you don't want to be challenged and then cower away at the first sign of pressure.

I wonder what your Mexican friends that you love so much would say about the comments you have made here on this public forum. You should show it to them.

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[edit on 11-10-2007 by dntwastetime]

Yes I did because I wanted to show every body else what you did not want every body else to see. I have no purpose to change what it says, I have the original so you can claim what you want but you just re-enforced my suspicions about your motives and what you really are. I'm still waiting for your answers.

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[edit on 11-10-2007 by chissler]

im not too sure of exactly how USA does this system, but dont US farmers get govt subsidy just for growing regardless of if it can sell or not? or something to that tune?

now in Aus, we used to have cheap fruit + veg. and everyone knows we are the 2nd largest meat eating country (argentina is #1 last time i checked)

now, things have become ridiculously expensive due to corporate take overs.
we used to have coles, bilo, and woolworths (wooly's as we call em)

now they are all owned by coles, and coles setup this scheme where they give a farmer a contract to supply XX amount of produce for a set price in advance.

basically a "we'll buy your entire crop at once, but with this really crappy price - or you can go to market and hope to get more by selling lots of smaller amounts of produce."

so if they have a lousy season and dont meet quota, farmers get penalised. If they are not up to quality they lose out again.
however if they are better than average they still only get the same crappy low price.

so a farmer might get paid 20c per kilo for their produce but then woolys jack the price right up and make an absolute slaughter on the profit.

you and i might see banana's for $7 per kilo, the farmer probably got under $1 a kilo for his entire crop. (purely example figures)

so again im not sure on how you guys do things, but its easy to see how the farmers get the raw end of the prawn every time, while majority of aussies blame farmers for the high prices - meanwhile farmers have to find someone willing to do the crappy job for a pittance.

over here, its the farmers getting raped by big supermarket chains and the average consumer being shafted by big supermarket chains.
(pardon the expressions used in that last paragraph, but its true)

That is hilarious, back in the old days farmers, Farmed on there own..American farmers on there own, Mexican on there own Sweden on there own, what is this.." i need an illegal alien to do my work for me"

People are just becoming lazy......and ignorant.

I grew up on a farm. My parents were farmers. All my neighbors were farmers. My aunts and uncles and grandparents were ranchers. All the kids I went to school with were from farming families.

My parents paid migrant workers every year. They hated having to do it, being unbashedly racist. But no one would work for what they, and most other farmers, could afford to pay for this sort of work.

How this obvious economic system got broken - I don't know. We wondered if in part, it was that 'back in the day' families were very large, so you had a source of labor.

And the town is dying. All the young kids went to college, moved away. All the farmers are in their 60s.

We also wondered if in part, it wasn't about how industrialized farming is now. My mother still boggles about how a whole bushel of grain costs the same price as a single loaf of bread.

I don't know if this article is propaganda or not. However in the case of my hometown, (btw, which is Idaho) farmers ARE suffering this season from a lack of migrant labor. People speculate that it's due to all the attention the border is getting.

Originally posted by Slickinfinity
I totaly laugh at their main argument to that Americans wont do the job because its to hard! LOL! ITS BECAUSE THEY DONT PAY ENOUGH!!!! IF they actually offered a decent wage then people would take the job no problem but these mostly major companies that produce the produce would rather pay LESS money and no oversight,workplace safety and compensation then hire legally.

I am up every week day at 5:30 am and I dont get home until 4 sometimes 5 but I make over 30$ an hr and time and a half if I work overtime so I am motivated to go to work. I am 100% positive my job is much harder then picking fruit, I have to carry heavy steel, grind it, cut it then install it sometimes over 200 ft high so if you can find people to do that for a DECENT wage then dont gimme the bs about people not being able to pick fruit lol. Its all corporate scams and for some reason these rich companies just want to get their labour cheap and illegally rather then do it legally and pay propper wages.

Its sad because the people who are doing all of this in suits and behind closed doors will most likely never be prosocuted and I honestly think they will get their way in the long run as people for the most part are to content being sheep.

You are SO right! The corporations want slave labor. The Administration is going along with this because it's part of the plan to dissolve the borders between Mexico and U.S. and Canada, and make us one big happy North American Union. Do everything you can to help stop this lunacy. We need to retain our sovereignty.