Are You All, Me?

Just a crazy-thought-provoking theory, but here it goes.



Everything i am seeing now is a result of my brain. I created everything, all the advancements of mankind, people i met, images i have seen, wars that have been fought are all simply a figment of my imagination. All of your replies (hopefully i get some) are of my own creation. I control what you say, how you say it, and when you say it. Of course this is without me knowing. Kinda a Matrix style idea..


Who knows where my real body is. It could be floating in space, or on Venus. I don't know.

Maybe this is all like the matrix. Our bodies are connected and being used for whatever reason while our minds are living out a fantasy world.

Maybe the real versions of you guys are seeing a completely different world. Your own realities, Toilet Paper is cancer causing for one, and is nuclear fuel for another.

So in reality none of your replies will count, because i am subconsciously making your replies. So this thread is useless, cause i already know your replies.... or do i?!!

Yes it seems crazy at first, and but after you think about it.....Well its still pretty damn crazy. Hope you could understand my theory, and hopefully i made your brains hurt.




Josh

Oh, you're just a piker in the twisted maze of minds that slither through the (un)reality of ATS. Now for a fuller view of doublespeak logic, look up the thread by "LastOutinfiniteVoiceEternal" called :The Immeasurable Presence of Absence".

And I once listened to Twisted Sister, and liked it!!!!

reply to post by 3rdeye
I've recently been thinking something similar to your post, 3rdeye.

Perception is everything.

see, i think that your post has been created by some being that is doing an experiment on me to see how i will react to certain exposures. i am a rat in some great beings experiement. kinda like truman show except it isn't for entertainment but for science... or whatever that great being calls it.

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Or maybe i am that being?

Maybe you are simply a test also, a test to see how i react to people saying this is a test for them...

Or maybe we're all test rats, and ATS is merely a lab. Those who created ATS are the one's performing the tests to see what some of you can figure out, see what kind of replies you can provoke, and to see how far we here at ATS can progress humanity.

And perhaps those who created ATS are experiments from a higher being to see how one can control others in a controlled environment to provoke thoughts and accomplishments.

And perhaps those who control the controllers of the ATS founders are simply trying to see how the endless pyramid of authority works.

What if they are controlled themselves?

Perhaps you're not really controlling other people's thoughts. Perhaps someone is controlling your thoughts to make you think you're controlling others' thoughts to see how you'll react, as well as others, given those false circumstances.

Perhaps someone is making me write this. Perhaps its you.

Or perhaps someone else is giving us both that illusion.

Perhaps I'm giving us both that illusion. Maybe I'm not.

It's all very confusing.

Or is it?

Maybe it's just an illusion that it's confusing to see how we'll react.

We get thrown certain situations, and we react based on that situation. Maybe someone is trying to learn our behavioral patterns.

Ah, who knows?

Read my siggy.
Does it matter?
Eat and you get full.
Tired and you sleep.
Stub your toe and it hurts.
But here's one to scramble your virtual brain.
When I see blue, is it the blue you see, or is it red or green to my eyes?
When I taste salt would you taste sugar, I feel pleasure and you would sense it as pain?
You are taught colors, tastes, senses, at a very early age, someone tells you "this is blue, this is salty, this hurts".


"Please hold while I reboot you"

reply to post by 3rdeye


how do i know that i didn't create you to say these things? i too have been thinking about this for a few days

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi


Your post was classic. It was all I could do to take those turns with you.

Roller Coaster reading. Must keep you busy roller coaster writing.

reply to post by 3rdeye


Descartes thought about this as well. His famous quote, "I think, therefore I am" was a testament to the fact that the only thing we know for sure is that we (singularly) exist because we think/believe we do. The real question is, if I don't know what other people think, and that their thoughts are independent, how do I know they truly exist, and are not a part of my own consciousness. Very philosophical questions indeed.

Descartes made a few fairly "new-age" concepts like this popular about 400ish years ago. Makes you wonder how far we have really gone in our understanding of reality/consciousness.

-Warlo

Nah, not buying it. Think about it. If only YOU exist, where did you come from? Who created you? Let's say your birth was taped. Is it just a very clever fraud by your mind? I don't care if you're Stephen Hawking, there's no way you're smart enough to execute such a clever deception.

Great Post! I have often fancied this idea, although I do not believe it to be factual. I like to try to test my creative imagination often with various plausible scenarious in regards to our existstence. I believe that this is a common line of thought process when questioning everything.

I dig it.

Originally posted by uberarcanist
Nah, not buying it. Think about it. If only YOU exist, where did you come from? Who created you? Let's say your birth was taped. Is it just a very clever fraud by your mind? I don't care if you're Stephen Hawking, there's no way you're smart enough to execute such a clever deception.

I never said I was the only one. But its certainly a possibltiy. You could be controlling what i am typing, therefore giving you someone to disagree/argue with.


Another take one this is, Anyone could be the single being imagining this "Matrix"

Me, you, your mom, my dog, the guy who made the clicky pen, who knows.

Its hard to think about someone else's conscious, rather than your own. What if i was never made? Would i still come into this world? Or all we are our own entity. Maybe reincarnation is simply a slip up in the way consciousness works. A flaw or mix up causing the dead soul to go back into a another, rather than going on to where ever. *cue john lear*

Maybe we are all one big entity, each one of us in living in our own universe. Made to fit how we live. Not exactly how we want it.

If we all can find a way to join together, we can make our own universe to our exact liking...


I love the band Tool and i think all of their songs have messages we should follow. (hence the name and avatar)

One Lyric caught my attention and it relates to this thread quite well.



I will let you interpret them to your liking, as that is what the band wants. No song of theirs have a definate message, you make the message.

Its from "Reflection" off the "Lateralus" album.

So crucify the ego before it's far too late
To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical
And you will come to find that we are all one mind
Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Just let the light touch you and let the words spill through
Just let them pass right through, bringing out our hope and reason.

reply to post by 3rdeye


You've taken the first tentative steps in exploring what's known as Epistemology. It's a deep, deep rabbit hole and you could literally spend the rest of your life studying it. But I'll save you a little time and skip to the end.

Nobody knows.

Maybe.

Since physicist Richard Feynman postulated that there may be only one photon in the entire Universe, moving back and forth through "time" into and out of virtuality, you and I and everything in the Universe are indeed manifestations of this single subatomic particle.



Although I think it was best said by The Beatles:

"I am he as you are he as you are we and we are all together. ... I am the Egg Man, we are the Egg Men, I am the Walrus. Koo koo kah choo."

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Of course! And in reconciling the Feynman Postulate with aforementioned Beatles lyric, we get the Universe as projectile expelled from the fevered muzzle of The Great Cosmic Walrus.

Or something.

Praise the Walrus!!! For he is we and we are he and he is we...

I suppose, then, that the real question becomes: Why do we have different points of view? Given a huge multiverse of alternative realities, as well as a transtemporal convergence of matter/energy in this particular universe, how is it that we are still able to maintain a sense of individual identity within an apparently singular universe?

I'm guessing that our primary definitions and initial assumptions are a little shaky, although I admit my inability to come up with anything better.

Originally posted by Nohup
I'm guessing that our primary definitions and initial assumptions are a little shaky, although I admit my inability to come up with anything better.

Probably a good guess, if not a huge understatement. And don't feel alone. As some 20th century philosopher/scientist said: "The Universe is not only stranger than we understand, it's stranger than we can understand".

And Feynman himself said, "Nobody understands quantum theory".

The last 7 posts are the reason I love ATS. I wish there were a higher percentage of discussions like this. Keep em coming. Applause for the 3 of you.