John Titor Vs The 2008 Beijing Olympics

Oliver Williams' John Titor website is a very good resource for considering both the context and content of John Titor's statements. Most misunderstand the context because they believe in linear time with only one set of forward moving coordinates, so to speak, whereas there are all sorts of quantum realities meaning that John Titor was from a timeline close to ours but not precisely our own. It is one thing to reject John Titor and his claims, but it is important to understand that his information did not directly correlate to our timeline but was rather very, very close.

On March 20th Oliver Williams was on Coast to Coast AM, and it was a very informative and well-balanced programme.

I for one am grateful that the USA is not in the midst of a Civil War although I see it still coming.

I am so glad to hear someone else refer to the similar-but-slightly-different timeline. All things considered, this would most likely be the correct explanation.

I remember first reading about John Titor in 2000 or 2001. I, too, always kept the Olympic games in the back of my mind, and can remember feeling relief when the winter games were held. But it is uncanny to look at how the current situation is unfolding, and I would be foolish not to refer to Titor's predictions when all of these years I had silently been waiting to see if this would happen.

In my opinion, I think an Olympic boycott is going to create even more division and strife between countries, as it was one of the few things that brought us all "together". No matter how you feel about the Titor story, it is worth a second look, now more than ever.

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All the pieces for the future Titor predicted are in place. The Patriot Act is causing some degree of civil unrest, though not the civil war he predicted. The current state of affairs in China could cause a total boycott of the 2008 Games, though that probobly won't happen.

In other words, we've had a series of "near misses" which are eerily close to what he predicted. Since his words are easy to find, it is very possible that proactive nudges from the powers that be have prevented the outcomes Titor predicted. In other words, he may be a real time traveler who's impact changed the future.

On the other hand, if Titor is a total hoax, the person or people behind it are extremely astute at analyzing current trends and predicting future outcomes. Titor's claims are all "worst case scenario" outcomes of the very real problems we are facing- problems most of us did not see coming when Titor posted them. That's one damn brilliant hoax if you ask me.

So weather Titor is real and his presence changed the timeline or if he is a hoax, the sort of future he predicts is still a very real possibility. We're on the precipice between great transformation or great destruction, but current global conditions preclude the status quo.

I guess the big question now is how will the quake effect the games? Especially if there is a problem with the Three Gorges dam.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
That's one damn brilliant hoax if you ask me.

Nobody would debate this point. He has had the net abuzz for 7 years. Long after such claims could be debunked there are many who still have them fully "bunked".

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Ok.

First of all.

I have very serious doubts about jt being a timetraveler.
He made up a pretty good story about timetraveling and considered a lot of currently known facts.

Point remains that when traveling back to time the way John titor did the position of our Earth / Sun / Galaxy would have been billions of kilometers away from it's current position. I never seen him write anything about compensation for this lightyears deversion from it's original time space coordinates. so I guess he vistited some unknown very far away paralell version of earth. (or he was just making stuff up)

But still considering he was a hoax, he was a damn good one.
He has a very negative but refreshing look at the future.

All JT believers are currently watching what wil happen in China so JT is probably Laughing his ass of because of this website.

But it's very curious to see how troubles in china seem to be leading to a lot of protests against the olympics in beijing wordwide

www.rsf.org...

Maybe this dude is psychic or something.

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Well, so much for Titor, for those that still believed him anyway. The 2008 Summer Olympics are underway and Titor is proven a fraud (again).

-X

I wonder if anyone notice that I am watching the 2008 olympics today... I guess the Titor believers will say we are not on the same timeline.

www.reuters.com...

I have doubts about titor as well,but he has a cover all clause in his predictions,he make sure to state thats only 1 timeline a possiable future.Mabey something happened and the timeline changed to a better one.

I have not gone through the Titor website, does it mentions whether Michael Phelps will be successful in the 8 gold quest?

Go Phelps Go!

I have a feeling we are quickly approaching a space in time that will
1. Make the most hardened of cynics/skeptics (usually males that have the know it all virus) will be reduced to crying infants because the fear will be too great for their logical minds to comprehend.

2. Most are about to get a big dose of what real genocide is all about so some of those that feel picked on...you know who you are, will finally be shut up once and for all.

The Titorite crowd like to twist his words and make up theories that were not in the original content. It happened dozens of times on ATS - past and present - and it seems certain people feel the need to believe absolutely everything on the internet.

He said America would be in the middle of a civil war - it has not happened.

We would see Waco style events - we haven't.

Olympics wouldn't happen again - I'm currently watching it now.

His pictures, which were posted on ATS, were proved to be faked by a great ATS member called Kano. Kano and myself thought we debunked Titor quite successfully back in 2004-2005 (think that's when ATS first covered it), so did other members, but it seems the resurrection of Titor is on par of that of Jesus Christ .

Titor was referring to the Olympics in China. Another site's investigation concluded Titor was discussing 2008. I look forward to seeing Titorites suggesting it is 2012

Titor has been beaten to death on ATS, but one still cannot understand the puerile comments from Titorites who still believe this is true. I can predict that someone will post information in this thread and claim Titor said something alternative - when he didn't. Desperation and insecurity can lead man to believe the most wildest thing to feel safe.

Most Titorites have not read the original content One member nearly had an emotional breakdown because I pointed out his post was completely inaccurate and he hadn't even read the messages properly.

Sceptics, like myself, have stuck to one position on Titor, but believers have come up with nine possibilities and positions - all of which are contradictions and false accounts.

infinite
The Titorite crowd like to twist his words and make up theories that were not in the original content. It happened dozens of times on ATS - past and present - and it seems certain people feel the need to believe absolutely everything on the internet.

Yeah right, like Anti-Titorites never-ever try to attempt individual alternative theories... I think Titorites and Anti-Titorites are all in the same boat. What cracks me up the most.... Text Analysis Experts and the bible code thumpers.

infinite
He said America would be in the middle of a civil war - it has not happened.

You mean it hasn't happened yet... anyway he was warning us of a possible civil war. The middle of John Titor's civil war is in 2011, not 2008..

John Titor words....
On my world line in 2011, the United States is in the middle of a civil war that has dramatic effects on most of the other Western governments.

infinite
We would see Waco style events - we haven't.

Totally disagree with you on this one, Waco style events are up by 10 fold. Now days people are brain dead toward fed-n-police type tactics, rarely you gonna see about your neighbors house being bulldozed or burned down in big media outlets.

infinite
Olympics wouldn't happen again - I'm currently watching it now.

Again, this is where the divergence is greater and he was talking about his worldline not ours. +Plus the fact he said, I have no idea what happens to you in your future. Trying to debunk Titor because of the Olympics is really a poor attempt. But of course those ignorant of Titor's words will continue the effort.

Which makes these words seem prophetic....
However, I already know you won’t pay any attention or believe me because we’ve already been through it on this worldline. Besides, I think the walk to the gas station will do you some good.

infinite
His pictures, which were posted on ATS, were proved to be faked by a great ATS member called Kano. Kano and myself thought we debunked Titor quite successfully back in 2004-2005 (think that's when ATS first covered it), so did other members, but it seems the resurrection of Titor is on par of that of Jesus Christ .

I just finished reading the thread John Titor: Hoax and felt it was lacking substance on the gravitational medium. The theory is if you bend the space/time continuum it will create a gravitational field where light could bend and all the mass around it could be warped. Thus the car in the laser pic should be crushed.

However, Titor claimed it was possible to travel through a Kerr black hole without being crushed by the gravity as long as the right approach is made toward the singularity. The gravitational field used in the laser pic is probably the Kerr field that he was talking about. The picture actually fits the description of his time-like trips, I would imagine the Kerr field would still bend the laser and the car wouldn't be squished as long it takes the right path. Added: if you factor in the gravitational medium having air and moisture the laser would probably still look bent. Titor said, The gravity field also traps a small air pocket around the car.

photon trip through a Kerr black hole


If you guys had actually debunked Titor you could of went and collected the reward at anomolies.net. Now that I think about it... did anyone collect the reward?


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Originally posted by imitator
Totally disagree with you on this one, Waco style events are up by 10 fold. Now days people are brain dead toward fed-n-police type tactics, rarely you gonna see about your neighbors house being bulldozed or burned down in big media outlets.

BS
There hasn't been anything remotely close to a Waco since Waco.
Since these events were supposed to grow significantly worse with each passing month, that would mean the events now should be at least 100x worse than what happened at Waco. You couldn't hide events like that even if you had 100% control over the MSM.


It is seriously time to give this complete Titor nonsense a rest.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
It is one thing to reject John Titor and his claims, but it is important to understand that his information did not directly correlate to our timeline but was rather very, very close.

In other words, we count his good guesses as accurate and his bad guesses as corresponding to something that happened in the other timeline. It's a win-win!

Again, this is where the divergence is greater and he was talking about his worldline not ours.

Okay, here is the logical fallacy:

1. John Titor said that he was sent back in time to collect a machine, the IBM 5100, which he would bring back to his own superiors, so that they might use it to avert y2k38.

2. As you and Titor claim, his presence in this "worldline" has altered the future, and this was known to him before he even set out.

3. Titor, now on our worldline, and not his origin 'line, would be returning to a future on this, our new, 'line.

4. There would, therefore, be no point in sending him back in time, because the item he was meant to collect could never be returned to those who needed it.

5. John Titor, even if he were a time traveler, would not logically have been sent back in time for this reason.

6. Since he has not been sent back in time for the stated reason, there is no conceivable reason for him to have been sent back in time that would be so central and important to devote the resources necessary to develop a time machine to send him back in the first place.

Q.E.D.

Now, you might claim that he could somehow navigate the 'lines such that he would return to his own, but this also means that he would have to navigate across an infinite number of such 'lines. He also, in going back, would have to pinpoint the particular 'line that would lead him to the IBM 5100, as there would be an infinite number of histories, the vast majority (if I may use a term that does not quite fit with the concept of infinity) of which would not even have such historic outcomes.

I at first was quite open minded to the idea of a time-traveler. I speculated on numerous things that might prove him right: disputes over the 2004 election, protests to the 2008 Olympics, et cetera. But, unfortunately, I simply cannot accept an unfalsifiable claim, with its own built-in explanation for why his predictions fail.

-LaMarseillaise

Originally posted by imitator


I just finished reading the thread John Titor: Hoax and felt it was lacking substance on the gravitational medium. The theory is if you bend the space/time continuum it will create a gravitational field where light could bend and all the mass around it could be warped. Thus the car in the laser pic should be crushed.

However, Titor claimed it was possible to travel through a Kerr black hole without being crushed by the gravity as long as the right approach is made toward the singularity. The gravitational field used in the laser pic is probably the Kerr field that he was talking about. The picture actually fits the description of his time-like trips, I would imagine the Kerr field would still bend the laser and the car wouldn't be squished as long it takes the right path. Added: if you factor in the gravitational medium having air and moisture the laser would probably still look bent. Titor said, The gravity field also traps a small air pocket around the car.

If you guys had actually debunked Titor you could of went and collected the reward at anomolies.net. Now that I think about it... did anyone collect the reward?

how about the fact that the picture of the laser out the window does not match what we would actually see if the light were bending out the window. what we see is what would happen if only the light from the laser were bent, and not the light around it, and in front of it, causing the fake photograpgh that we see. but how could we ever prove that, in order to bend light in order to test that we would need something amazingly advanced, like lenses.

that bet, is as good as the zeitgeist challenge or any bet i feel like making. i will give you $1000 if you can prove that santa claus does not exist.

i guess either you will be showing up to collect that reward, or you will be agreeing with me that santa claus is real.